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I know my example was extreme, but it was for emphasis. And I had not heard of Godwin's Law until this conversation...so now I've learned something new...that I otherwise would not have if I didn't start this thread.

It's just so much foot-stomping over the election results after convincing oneself that victory was essentially guaranteed. Maybe don't let the guy who sucks so hard win the primaries next time around?

It's just so much foot-stomping over the election results after convincing oneself that victory was essentially guaranteed. Maybe don't let the guy who sucks so hard win the primaries next time around?

There probably are a lot of people who are just foot stomping. But it's hard to win primaries when a party shuns 7-8 others from speaking in favor of one. That's not democracy.

Besides, it wouldn't matter who won anyway...too many things beyond repair. IMO, this would of happened sooner or later. If a fresh face was put into the White House, people may of held back for a bit, but once they saw that they are all the same, regardless of party affiliation, this series of events would of happened eventually.

While you're at it, look up Poe's Law and Sturgeon's Law

I can understand that because I felt the same way after 04 election but wanting to secede from the union because my guy didn't win? No.

Judging from Angry's past posts, I don't think he fits into that bitter republican category but someone who is not satisfied with the current situation regardless of party.

As far as the Republicans, give me a RP or a Huntsman and you can have my vote.

Term limits
It's amazing how many people are still in Senate that I remember from Model US Senate in high school. I don't share your belief that it's beyond repair, but we're not going to get there when no one is willing to compromise or sacrifice.

Why is it childish? They're voicing their displeasure with the current state of affairs in our government. Was it childish when in the late 1700s our country decided to stop being a set of colonies and declare independence from England?

Would you mind explaining your reasoning why? I'm not arguing...just asking. My opinion is no more valuable than yours or vice versa...maybe you have a point/reason I haven't considered.

I don't imagine this thread will stay here for to long, but I'll post this anyway.

The Little Government That Could [youtube.com]

It has probably been posted in the Podium, but I wouldn't know.

I just wish this country was set up like it's supposed to be...a federal government with very limited powers, and 50 separate states that could all try out different ways of governing themselves, at least for most daily issues.


I blame both sides, as in most Democrats and most Republicans.
We should have more than two "sides."

Would you mind explaining your reasoning why? I'm not arguing...just asking. My opinion is no more valuable than yours or vice versa...maybe you have a point/reason I haven't considered.

it's childish because they're simply overreacting; they disagree on some ideological bounds, but i don't think the government is actually abusing the citizenry on even close to a level that would warrant a serious consideration of secession, and based on the number of signatures on those petitions (many of which are probably duplicates or invalid anyway), 99%+ of the rest of the country agrees with me. when your platform is only embraced by less than 1% of the populace, that is the definition of an extreme stance.

people are free to disagree with the policies of this administration, and there are many i don't agree with, but this response is so far out of proportion to the policies/actions that it reeks of immaturity and childishness. we as a citizenry still have ways to influence policies and elections, and just because government makes decisions a tiny minority of people think are bad enough to constitute actual abuse/oppression/etc. doesn't mean the appropriate action is to try to secede the rest of your state with you, many of whom support those same decisions.

it's like a guy on a recreational sports team who disagrees with a new rule in the league. everyone else on the team realizes they have a good league, around half of them think the rule is fine, and most of the other half who don't like it figure they will just talk to the organizers and try to get the rule changed before the next session starts. but there's one guy who, instead of dealing with it and trying to get it changed, says they should go off and form their own league, seemingly oblivious to the huge logistical implications of that decision. it's just a stupid, overblown response.

You missed Godwin's Law by >< much.

I've never said anything about not aspiring to be anything better and just accept the status quo, only that things can always be worse. This secession thing seems like an overreaction to me.

http://youtu.be/SVwXA7sHUlE

Who is that angry young man?

I think my main point is that it's not a serious discussion about secession (at least not to me or anyone else I've spoken to), but rather simply a statement to the US Gov't that people are upset and are not content with the status quo.

it's like a guy on a recreational sports team who disagrees with a new rule in the league. everyone else on the team realizes they have a good league, around half of them think the rule is fine, and most of the other half who don't like it figure they will just talk to the organizers and try to get the rule changed before the next session starts. but there's one guy who, instead of dealing with it and trying to get it changed, says they should go off and form their own league, seemingly oblivious to the huge logistical implications of that decision. it's just a stupid, overblown response.

The problem is that people want to deny facts. Even if they are right that global warming is made up we should change what we are doing because we are killing the planet

The governments job is to protect the people and they do so by making laws. These are the laws that gave women the right to vote and made sure that blacks were recognized as people not property. Only through cooperation are we able to grow stronger