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Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

559 41 August 30, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Original article from Lexington Herald Leader [kentucky.com]
Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

WANTS CHANGE IN POLICY AFTER BEING TOLD TO COVER HERSELF

By Linda B. Blackford
[email protected]

Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff
David Stephenson | Staff
Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff

In June, Brooke Ryan walked into a Nicholasville Road Applebee's restaurant to celebrate an anniversary lunch with her children.

She walked out humiliated, in tears and without the lunch.

But the incident over breast-feeding her 7-month-old son at Applebee's has spurred the soft-spoken 34-year-old to start a public awareness campaign on the rights of breast-feeding women in Kentucky.

"On a small scale, I want Applebee's to change its policy," Ryan said. "On a large scale ... I want breast-feeding to be accepted."

The dispute with Applebee's began June 14. Ryan chose a booth in the back of the restaurant away from other customers. When her baby, Michael, got hungry, she began to nurse him discreetly, she said.

But a waitress came over and said that if she wanted to breast-feed, she had to cover the baby with a blanket. Ryan said it was so hot that she didn't have a blanket. The waitress then repeated her request. Ryan said she then asked to see the manager and handed him a copy of the 2006 Kentucky law that prohibits interference with a woman breast-feeding her baby in public.

The manager said he knew about the law but a customer had complained about indecent exposure, so she had to cover the baby with a blanket.

Ryan left as her food came, to nurse her baby in the car.

Her lawyer wrote a letter to Thomas & King, the company that operates Applebee's in Central Kentucky. They got no response. After a second letter, a Thomas & King lawyer said the restaurant chain would consider keeping blankets in the restaurant so that breast-feeding women could cover themselves.

"That's like telling Rosa Parks she still had to sit in the back of the bus, but we'll give her a blanket to make her more comfortable," Ryan said.

When contacted yesterday, Mike Scanlon, president of Thomas & King, said he didn't know about the incident. However, he called the Herald-Leader back to say that Applebee's had no policy against breast-feeding.

"It is perfectly legal to breast-feed in public and we support that," Scanlon said. "I'm not sure the manager said cover the baby's head, I think he said cover yourself modestly. This was by no means intended as interference, but a request to do it modestly, which I believe is an appropriate response."

Ryan says that as an experienced breast-feeder, she is extremely modest, and, in that instance, made sure that she was facing into the corner.

"Some women think it's fine to cover up with a blanket, but a woman shouldn't be forced to," said her husband, Michael Ryan.

Sen. Tom Buford, R-Nicholasville, who sponsored the breast-feeding protection bill, agrees.

"She was not treated right under the new law," he said. "There should have been no comment made to her at all; the restaurant overstepped its boundaries. There's no way they can explain their way out of this."

Thirty-nine states, including Kentucky, allow women to breast-feed in any public or private location.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends exclusive breast-feeding for about the first six months and support for breast-feeding for the first year and beyond as long as mutually desired by mother and child. But according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 11 percent of mothers meet the six-month mark. Thirty percent breast-feed exclusively for the first three months. Kentucky's rates are 7.5 percent and 25 percent, respectively, according to a 2007 report.

Scanlon suggested that Ryan had an "agenda."

"I note with interest that she had a copy of the statute with her," he said. "I'm glad to let this become a matter that we can all learn from."

But if all Ryan wanted going into Applebee's was an anniversary lunch, she may indeed have an agenda now.

August is World Breast-feeding Awareness Month, and Ryan has organized two related public events:

• A "Nurse-In" at the children's play area at Fayette Mall from 1-3 p.m. Saturday. Ryan says the mall is not a target, but has a place for kids to play.

• From noon to 2 p.m. Sept. 8, she is holding a "Nurse Out" with posters and breast-feeding in front of the Applebee's on Nicholasville Road.

She's also asking for a public apology from Applebee's and training for its employees about the rights of breast-feeding mothers. Some day, she says, she would like to see the international breast-feeding symbol of a mother and child in every restaurant that supports the practice.

"I'm not trying to be provocative," she said. "I want to teach."

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Reach Linda Blackford at (859) 231-1359 or [email protected].



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08-30-2007 at 11:04 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:04 AM.
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My penis's main purpose is to pro-create. Want me to swing it around in public?
If we told you to put a cover on it, you'd just buy a condom. Now it's just covered while you swing it. What's your point? Annoyed
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08-30-2007 at 11:07 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:07 AM.
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If we told you to put a cover on it, you'd just buy a condom. Now it's just covered while you swing it. What's your point? Annoyed
So you would be okay with a male swinging a penis with a condom on it around in Applebee's?
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08-30-2007 at 11:07 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:07 AM.
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My penis's main purpose is to pro-create. Want me to swing it around in public?


I thought it was also used to pee with? laugh out loud
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Damn you. I actually hit that friggin' line AGAIN
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08-30-2007 at 11:07 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:07 AM.
Quote from TigerStar :
That's her agenda. She knew she would be questioned on it and had the pamphlet at the ready. She wanting to once again force government into making PRIVATE business owners do their bidding.
I did the same thing when I was breastfeeding. I carried Texas's statute outlining the right of a woman to breastfeed in any location where it is legal for her to be otherwise. The reason for that is to head off ignorant people who try to send breastfeeding mothers to the bathroom. How nasty is that?!?! It happened quite a bit to me or the other mothers I hang out with. I carried light blankets in my diaper bag, but half the time the kid would pull them off. They're only really necessary when the kid is latching on. Once that's done you can pretty much cover everything with a shirt.

I didn't go out of my way to nurse in public but when my baby needed to eat I fed him. I wasn't one to sit on a bench in the mall and nurse for all the world to see - too many distractions for the baby. I preferred to find the Motherhood Maternity store and used their dressing room. They were very kind.

On the rare instances that I nursed in public at a restaurant, I did just what this mother did - select a booth and try to be an unobtrusive as possible.

Applebee's is out of line in this instance. Unless she had her whole boob hanging out (which I seriously doubt) then whoever was bothered should have been moved.

I find it very interesting that the Victoria's Secret fashion show is fine, but a mother providing nourishment to her child is gross. You're seeing far less skin on the nursing mom.
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appleyum
08-30-2007 at 11:08 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:08 AM.
Quote from IVIax :
Couldn't the same logic apply the other around as well (towards the breast feeding woman?) Why does it have to go one way only?
She is one doing the offending. Usually offending one is asked. Same deal with our mod alert system or else there is no need for mod alert system


Quote from IVIax :
Would you come up to women wearing short skirts and her them to cover up?

Or people wearing offensive shirts (that have curse words or other things on them) and ask them to cover up?

And if you do, then who decides what's right and what's wrong? It's a free country isn't it? Shouldn't then she be allowed to breast feed in public -- it's not like she's walking around showing her nipple to everyone.
Psst this case was in a restaurant. So the cases you gave and happens in a restaurant ...probably yes or asked to be moved. Same case with smoking in restaurant. You usually ask the waiter/waitress.

That pretty close to what she did...showing to everyone aka public
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08-30-2007 at 11:09 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:09 AM.
Quote from AggieMomx2 :
I find it very interesting that the Victoria's Secret fashion show is fine, but a mother providing nourishment to her child is gross. You're seeing far less skin on the nursing mom.
Excellent point. nod
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08-30-2007 at 11:09 AM.
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My penis's main purpose is to pro-create. Want me to swing it around in public?
What penis? Nobody can see it at that size Stick Out Tongue
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08-30-2007 at 11:10 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:10 AM.
Quote from AggieMomx2 :
I did the same thing when I was breastfeeding. I carried Texas's statute outlining the right of a woman to breastfeed in any location where it is legal for her to be otherwise. The reason for that is to head off ignorant people who try to send breastfeeding mothers to the bathroom. How nasty is that?!?! It happened quite a bit to me or the other mothers I hang out with. I carried light blankets in my diaper bag, but half the time the kid would pull them off. They're only really necessary when the kid is latching on. Once that's done you can pretty much cover everything with a shirt.

I didn't go out of my way to nurse in public but when my baby needed to eat I fed him. I wasn't one to sit on a bench in the mall and nurse for all the world to see - too many distractions for the baby. I preferred to find the Motherhood Maternity store and used their dressing room. They were very kind.

On the rare instances that I nursed in public at a restaurant, I did just what this mother did - select a booth and try to be an unobtrusive as possible.

Applebee's is out of line in this instance. Unless she had her whole boob hanging out (which I seriously doubt) then whoever was bothered should have been moved.

I find it very interesting that the Victoria's Secret fashion show is fine, but a mother providing nourishment to her child is gross. You're seeing far less skin on the nursing mom.
I choose to see a VS fashion show (or just the magazines, don't judge me). If I am sitting in a restaurant, I don't want to see a breastfeeding mother. Would it be okay if my wife goes down on me? You'd only see anything when she started and when she finished. The rest of the time my cock would be covered.
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08-30-2007 at 11:10 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:10 AM.
Quote from TigerStar :
So you would be okay with a male swinging a penis with a condom on it around in Applebee's?

TS, she's not flashing her lower region, just the top, which, btw, should be covered. As sick as this is going I'm going to say it anyway. Nobody is nursing off of you to keep themselves alive so there is no reason to even bring that part of you out into the public eye. However, if you do decide to grow milk ducts and nurse your future children, please be discreet and drape a cloth over your shoulder and the baby's head. Please. Annoyed
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08-30-2007 at 11:12 AM.
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Quote from finzz2dlft :
Excellent point. nod
It's all about the nipple. I am not sure why breasts - nipples = OK but as soon breasts + nipples = forbidden. Odd things is guys got nipples also Scratchhead I am not exactly sure how that equation works

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TS, she's not flashing her lower region, just the top, which, btw, should be covered. As sick as this is going I'm going to say it anyway. Nobody is nursing off of you to keep themselves alive so there is no reason to even bring that part of you out into the public eye. However, if you do decide to grow milk ducts and nurse your future children, please be discreet and drape a cloth over your shoulder and the baby's head. Please. Annoyed
Or tell her if she is going to flash she has to share with everyone in the restaurant laugh out loud
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08-30-2007 at 11:12 AM.
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It is absurd to try and compare nudity and sex (aka, TS's "swinging penis") with feeding a baby. C'mon, people.
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08-30-2007 at 11:14 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:14 AM.
Quote from Peachyum :
TS, she's not flashing her lower region, just the top, which, btw, should be covered. As sick as this is going I'm going to say it anyway. Nobody is nursing off of you to keep themselves alive so there is no reason to even bring that part of you out into the public eye. However, if you do decide to grow milk ducts and nurse your future children, please be discreet and drape a cloth over your shoulder and the baby's head. Please. Annoyed
I was making the comparision among private parts.
Breastfeeding is not required to keep a baby alive (breastfeeding vs bottle is another topic).
If I were to breastfeed, I would cover up. You ask me to but not this mother. Scratchchin
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