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https://www.healthcare.gov/ Now OPEN - Cheap insurance
September 30, 2013 at
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http://www.anthem.com/anthem/ca/i...RE5000.pdf
of course you're going to pay out the ass, but that's the risk someone took in either (a) not obtaining private insurance on their own or (b) not working somewhere where health insurance was an option - which has numerous other implications, but we'll leave it at that.
Lets look at that example of getting medical attention in emergencies without refusing treatment. Once I leave the hospital I get this massive sticker shock of RETAIL MSRP stay at the hospital. No discount at all and 2x-3x what insurance negotiated rates would be and probably 4x medicare rates negotiated by the government. Then I go out and apply for tons of credit cards and rack up thousands of dollars. The next day I file bankruptcy and wipe away all my bills. Do you think this creates an effective society and all this bad debt is a good thing. Doctors have to charge more since the amount of patients that actually pay their bills is a lot lower.
Obamacare is not the right answer for the problem we have in this country. We have a sh*t ton of problems and obamacare is just a step in the right direction. Along with negotiating much lower medical cost, focusing on patient versus the revenue generation mindset the doctors are in currently and the outrageous cost of Synthetic drugs made in labs. Medical cost is a lot cheaper in Canada, Europe, India and many other countries in the world. Just look at these prices for surgery and how much it cost
http://www.surgerycent
Now with obama care at least everyone has insurances and gets discounts on their care. They will be liable for their bill and more likely to pay it since it is based on their income. I would rather the country tax us 5% extra and just build it into the system. I never want to see another medical bill ever for any of my friends and family and I will gladly pay 10% extra taxes over a bankruptcy.
Better coverage for less money. Thank God...salvation is called Obamacare!
As I said before the rich get richer and healthier while the poor....have to pay a fine
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Obamacare is not the right answer for the problem we have in this country. We have a sh*t ton of problems and obamacare is just a step in the right direction. Along with negotiating much lower medical cost, focusing on patient versus the revenue generation mindset the doctors are in currently and the outrageous cost of Synthetic drugs made in labs. Medical cost is a lot cheaper in Canada, Europe, India and many other countries in the world. Just look at these prices for surgery and how much it cost
http://www.surgerycent
Now with obama care at least everyone has insurances and gets discounts on their care. They will be liable for their bill and more likely to pay it since it is based on their income. I would rather the country tax us 5% extra and just build it into the system. I never want to see another medical bill ever for any of my friends and family and I will gladly pay 10% extra taxes over a bankruptcy.
But right, baby steps.
Better coverage for less money. Thank God...salvation is called Obamacare!
For the folks in a crappy situation where your employer offers pathetic coverage and you are still able to afford it due to the threshold. I truly feel sorry and hope the new program will bring changes eventually which will either make the employer offer better coverage or become qualified to go through the exchange. I wish people could freely choose between their employer or the exchange. Not some stupid bean counter (hey now...i am a bean counter
But right, baby steps.
http://video.pbs.org/video/2283573727/
As I said before the rich get richer and healthier while the poor....have to pay a fine
I have made appts here in US with doctors and my PCP is 2 weeks and my specialist are typically 3 weeks - 1 month. Specialist who are at the top of their game have appts booked out 3 months in advance. I personally think the time to see a doctor in america is at best 50% quicker than European. Even if European is 6 months as you claim which my family in toronto would laugh at that (My family in Amsterdam had no issues getting medical attention without unnecessary wait) at least you have the option to bypass insurance and pay more to see a doctor. Those doctors who charge more to see them sooner don't charge as much as american doctors who ring the register as soon as you walk through the door.
As I said before the rich get richer and healthier while the poor....have to pay a fine
It's funny, how, no-one in favor of Obama-Care, want's to post about, a "free"
Reminds me exactly of the great Orson Wells
"All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others"
Whatever your politics, it is the law, it is live, so please limit the discussion to the plans and options available. Like it or not, it's here, and if your middle class or even less well off, and don't have good insurance from your employer, it's a significant discount.
You can see if you use Healthcare.gov or a state exchange here. [healthcare.gov]
And it took about 30 seconds poking around to get an error
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