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backup cameras mandatory in all new vehicles

28,148 544 March 31, 2014 at 12:13 PM in Autos (4)
Automakers will be required to install backup cameras in most new vehicles by May 2018, a federal agency announced Monday. [cnn.com]

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration finalized a long-awaited rule requiring all new cars, SUVs, and minivans, as well as some new small trucks and buses to carry rear visibility technology.

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Kabn
04-01-2014 at 12:58 PM.
04-01-2014 at 12:58 PM.
Quote from PiratePenguin :
Yep, I fully agree. I've expressed my favoritisim towards sensors over cameras already. They are the much better way. Me thinks some NTHSA person just wants a camera on their company car and they were only given base model fords, and this was one way for her to get it...
i've never driven a car with sensors. does it just pick up moving items, or can it tell if there's a stationary item in the path of the car? will it go off if there are garbage cans close to my path, but not in it? will a clump of grass set it off?

without having that experience, i'd only guess that cameras are a cheaper and more standardized way to get to the goal (i'm assuming a basic camera and a fish-eye lens are cheaper than the sensors). i use my camera in addition to my mirrors and simply looking, but definitely miss it when i drive a car without it.
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04-01-2014 at 01:22 PM.
04-01-2014 at 01:22 PM.
Quote from Kabn :
i've never driven a car with sensors. does it just pick up moving items, or can it tell if there's a stationary item in the path of the car? will it go off if there are garbage cans close to my path, but not in it? will a clump of grass set it off?

without having that experience, i'd only guess that cameras are a cheaper and more standardized way to get to the goal (i'm assuming a basic camera and a fish-eye lens are cheaper than the sensors). i use my camera in addition to my mirrors and simply looking, but definitely miss it when i drive a car without it.
Its sonar, so moving or not moving it will alarm. Slow beeps when you are like 5-6 feet away and fast beeps when a couple feet away. It is tuned well enough that you can tell if there is an object or not behind you without false alerting.

Its actually the same technology that they have applied to blind spot monitoring where they took the sonars and put them on the sides of the car and it beeps if you put your directional on while a car or other object is in the lane next to you.
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ALVSGIRLY
04-01-2014 at 01:24 PM.
04-01-2014 at 01:24 PM.
Quote from Kabn :
i've never driven a car with sensors. does it just pick up moving items, or can it tell if there's a stationary item in the path of the car? will it go off if there are garbage cans close to my path, but not in it? will a clump of grass set it off?

without having that experience, i'd only guess that cameras are a cheaper and more standardized way to get to the goal (i'm assuming a basic camera and a fish-eye lens are cheaper than the sensors). i use my camera in addition to my mirrors and simply looking, but definitely miss it when i drive a car without it.
Mine are pretty sensitive. It goes off for tall plants and such.
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04-01-2014 at 01:34 PM.
04-01-2014 at 01:34 PM.
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Kabn
04-01-2014 at 01:51 PM.
04-01-2014 at 01:51 PM.
Quote from PiratePenguin :
Its sonar, so moving or not moving it will alarm. Slow beeps when you are like 5-6 feet away and fast beeps when a couple feet away. It is tuned well enough that you can tell if there is an object or not behind you without false alerting.

Its actually the same technology that they have applied to blind spot monitoring where they took the sonars and put them on the sides of the car and it beeps if you put your directional on while a car or other object is in the lane next to you.
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Mine are pretty sensitive. It goes off for tall plants and such.
that would be my second guess as to why they decided on the camera standard: for the most part, a picture is a picture. it might have a little different lens/outer field of vision than others, but it's a picture which is easily understood. the sonar sensors might have varying levels of sensitivity or effectiveness between the brands/vendors, and if some users perceive they're getting false positives, they might start ignoring it.
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PiratePenguin
04-01-2014 at 05:17 PM.
04-01-2014 at 05:17 PM.
Quote from Kabn :
that would be my second guess as to why they decided on the camera standard: for the most part, a picture is a picture. it might have a little different lens/outer field of vision than others, but it's a picture which is easily understood. the sonar sensors might have varying levels of sensitivity or effectiveness between the brands/vendors, and if some users perceive they're getting false positives, they might start ignoring it.
It is a good thing that it goes off for tall plants as she said. You wouldn't want to back over a bush now would you?
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Ms.arteest
04-01-2014 at 08:45 PM.
04-01-2014 at 08:45 PM.
My new Rogue has a backup camera and it's handy if you're backing into a spot, but it's great to help you back up to a trailer. It really freaks people out, who don't know that you have a camera, when they see you back your hitch right up to your trailer without any help. laugh out loud
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ALVSGIRLY
04-02-2014 at 06:40 AM.
04-02-2014 at 06:40 AM.
My last car just had a rear camera. The one I have now has a rear camera and front and back sensors. The sensors do help a lot. Especially when paired with the camera.
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handyguy
04-02-2014 at 09:05 AM.
04-02-2014 at 09:05 AM.
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I agree on looking backwards, but then why need the f'n camera?
In a case like a UPS truck they must use cameras.
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Iaaaiws
04-02-2014 at 10:55 AM.
04-02-2014 at 10:55 AM.
Quote from ALVSGIRLY :
My last car just had a rear camera. The one I have now has a rear camera and front and back sensors. The sensors do help a lot. Especially when paired with the camera.
I find it kind of scary that you come so close to hitting things often enough that the sensors and camera help that much.
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AstroInactive
04-02-2014 at 10:57 AM.
04-02-2014 at 10:57 AM.
Sure beats the driving by Braille method she previously employed...
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04-02-2014 at 10:58 AM.
04-02-2014 at 10:58 AM.
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In a case like a UPS truck they must use cameras.
Sure, but this law designed for honda fits and toyota prius mom drivers...not professional drivers.
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Iaaaiws
04-02-2014 at 10:59 AM.
04-02-2014 at 10:59 AM.
With the warm days and the roads turning into mud at work my backup camera on my work truck was covered in mud after the first 20 minutes or so and basically useless after that.
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04-02-2014 at 11:02 AM.
04-02-2014 at 11:02 AM.
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I find it kind of scary that you come so close to hitting things often enough that the sensors and camera help that much.
Every time I park I use them!
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04-02-2014 at 02:14 PM.
04-02-2014 at 02:14 PM.
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I've been driving for 30+ years and have backed into things a couple of times. A backup camera would have done little to nothing in any of those instances. The only time it would have helped is when I backed up too far lining up a trailer and the tongue scratched my bumper.

I think backup sensors would be far more important than the camera as far as safety goes if they are making things mandatory. The backup sensor is going to work whether you are paying attention or not. The camera doesn't do much good if the driver isn't looking at it. If something is going to be mandatory for safety you have to take the driver out of the equation.

As far as anti-lock brakes--I'm still not a fan.
Air bags--I've never had one save me from injury but I do like the security of the added protection.
Power steering? Not mandatory as far as I know but a car with a good manual steering box gives you a better feel of the road.

Anybody remember the fiasco of the active seatbelt idea? I know Ford used it on the Escort and Tempo and I think some Toyotas had it for a while. The shoulder belt was motorized and when you turned the ignition on the belt wrapped itself around the driver automatically. The government tried hard to make this mandatory but didn't succeed and it died out with the airbag requirement.

The biggest problem I saw with it, (other than being annoying) was that the driver still had to manually put the lap belt on. In reality people forgot to use the lap belt because with the shoulder belt in place it seemed like you were already buckled in. Either that or they just intentionally didn't use the lap belt because to a cop looking from outside it appeared that you were buckled up. The shoulder belt alone was probably incredibly dangerous in an accident. The driver would likely still be thrown forward and the shoulder belt would hang them.
If I recall correctly, when federal law mandated the installation of airbags into cars, the technology was new at the time. Therefore, the law stated that car manufacturers could install automatic seat belts instead of airbags for a few years. Eventually, the deadline for mandatory airbags came up, and the automatic seat belts disappeared.

I hated my automatic seat belts. They were built into the car door, and when I got out of the car, I had to be careful not to bump into the protruding belt. Hurt like hell. I had several passengers who suffered that fate as well. Poor design.
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