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Santa Barbara murders
May 26, 2014 at
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Hundreds gathered at a memorial service Sunday night to mourn six young people killed two nights earlier by a gunman in a California college town.
Elliot Rodger, 22, the son of a Hollywood director, fatally stabbed three people in his apartment before shooting dead three others on Friday in Isla Vista, near the University of California at Santa Barbara campus. He then shot himself.
Rodger killed two women and four men, aged 19 to 22, and wounded 13 people, including eight who he shot as he sped through town in his black BMW, exchanging fire with police, authorities said.
Minutes before opening fire the former community college student emailed his plans to some 30 people including his mother, father and former teachers, said Cathleen Bloeser, whose son was a childhood friend of Rodger and received a copy.
Rodger stated his intention to kill his housemates, lure others to his home to continue the mayhem then slaughter women in a sorority and bring his spree to the streets of Isla Vista.
The manifesto, which details Rodger's fear that his guns might have been discovered when police visited him less than a month ago, was not the first indication of a troubled mind.
Linky [chicagotribune.com]
Am I the only one who sees the results of raising a self-esteem based "everyone gets a trophy" generation here? When everyone gets a trophy and every child is constantly told that they are special and everything they do is amazing, they never learn how to deal with rejection and failure. Failure is part of life and shielding children from it to preserve their self esteem is like smothering your child in antibiotics their whole life to protect them from getting sick and then wondering why they have no immune system when they grow up. If a child never learns how to cope with losing and being wrong, when they reach adulthood they don't have the mental faculties to deal with the failure they will invariably encounter in their adult lives. The guy who shot those innocent people in Santa Barbara claims that it was revenge for being rejected by the girls and the popular kids at his college. I was rejected by girls and popular kids my entire life and shooting a bunch of people never entered my mind. Maybe instead of giving our kids a trophy when they lose, we should teach them that losing is a part of life and give them the tools that they need to cope with failure, learn from it, and then get on with their lives.
Just a thought.
I hope this thread doesn't end up in The Place That Shall Not Be Named.
Elliot Rodger, 22, the son of a Hollywood director, fatally stabbed three people in his apartment before shooting dead three others on Friday in Isla Vista, near the University of California at Santa Barbara campus. He then shot himself.
Rodger killed two women and four men, aged 19 to 22, and wounded 13 people, including eight who he shot as he sped through town in his black BMW, exchanging fire with police, authorities said.
Minutes before opening fire the former community college student emailed his plans to some 30 people including his mother, father and former teachers, said Cathleen Bloeser, whose son was a childhood friend of Rodger and received a copy.
Rodger stated his intention to kill his housemates, lure others to his home to continue the mayhem then slaughter women in a sorority and bring his spree to the streets of Isla Vista.
The manifesto, which details Rodger's fear that his guns might have been discovered when police visited him less than a month ago, was not the first indication of a troubled mind.
Linky [chicagotribune.com]
Am I the only one who sees the results of raising a self-esteem based "everyone gets a trophy" generation here? When everyone gets a trophy and every child is constantly told that they are special and everything they do is amazing, they never learn how to deal with rejection and failure. Failure is part of life and shielding children from it to preserve their self esteem is like smothering your child in antibiotics their whole life to protect them from getting sick and then wondering why they have no immune system when they grow up. If a child never learns how to cope with losing and being wrong, when they reach adulthood they don't have the mental faculties to deal with the failure they will invariably encounter in their adult lives. The guy who shot those innocent people in Santa Barbara claims that it was revenge for being rejected by the girls and the popular kids at his college. I was rejected by girls and popular kids my entire life and shooting a bunch of people never entered my mind. Maybe instead of giving our kids a trophy when they lose, we should teach them that losing is a part of life and give them the tools that they need to cope with failure, learn from it, and then get on with their lives.
Just a thought.
I hope this thread doesn't end up in The Place That Shall Not Be Named.
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The liberals fully endorse the things you are complaining about. Openly. They don't try to hide it. I don't need to blame anybody--they are proud of their efforts to keep kids from experiencing failure. It must be nice to live in a world where you can live with your head in the sand and pretend that you can't see the source of the things you admit are a huge problem.
And blaming one group? The liberals have their act together and are succeeding with what they desire to do. The Republicans are too stuck on their own desire for power to do anything useful to actually fix anything. And the public in general is too apathetic and focused on their own minute little existences to even pay attention to what is going on in the world around them. When you try to get people to use their brain a little bit and apply a little reason they just start to yawn and return to their facebook and twitter world.
You talk about dealing with this every day--where do you think it comes from if I am so wrong?
Seems like two sides of the same coin to me...
I am pointing out that a shift in educational policy has resulted in a deficiency in the children who were educated under a certain philosophy. I don't blame the self-esteem philosophy for anything and everything under the sun the way the bunny blames liberals for every single bad thing that happens in the world. I could post a thread about having a bad hangnail on my right index finger and somehow the bunny would find a way to blame liberals for it.
As I said, I don't need to blame the liberals--they are proud to take the "credit" for it. They are proud of their efforts, why do you need to try and pretend differently? Why try to deny something on their behalf something that they are proud of?
As I said previously but you can't comprehend with your head in the sand--it isn't the liberals' fault--it is the fault of all of the rest of us that let it continue. But go on whining about how "the bunny blames everything on the liberals".
As long as you keep seeing things through that prism you are just continuing the indoctrination with your teaching. Hopefully enough of the students can overcome it as they learn from reality when they are out of school and facing real world problems.
As I said, I don't need to blame the liberals--they are proud to take the "credit" for it. They are proud of their efforts, why do you need to try and pretend differently? Why try to deny something on their behalf something that they are proud of?
As I said previously but you can't comprehend with your head in the sand--it isn't the liberals' fault--it is the fault of all of the rest of us that let it continue. But go on whining about how "the bunny blames everything on the liberals".
As long as you keep seeing things through that prism you are just continuing the indoctrination with your teaching. Hopefully enough of the students can overcome it as they learn from reality when they are out of school and facing real world problems.
I suppose you blame the liberals for every car crash in America since they fight for funding public infrastructure huh?
I suppose you blame the liberals for every car crash in America since they fight for funding public infrastructure huh?
You are obviously hopeless.
But on this day I honor and salute those who have made the ultimate sacrifice to defend the right for all of us to be free to not only have our own views and opinions but to be able to openly express those views. Hopefully we will always be able to continue to do so without fear of being silenced by our government.
Well, except for when they use the NSA and the IRS as political tools against the opposition party.
But, well, I guess we can't expect perfection.
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I imagine the answer here has a lot to do with his affluence.
It just seems like quite a reach to say unequivocally, without a doubt, that this one issue is causing outcomes like this.
It just seems like quite a reach to say unequivocally, without a doubt, that this one issue is causing outcomes like this.
Everyone has problems. I've been rejected multiple times. Doesn't mean I don't stop trying. I've had many successes too. Not everyone is attracted to everyone (yes I know some people are perfectly hot 24/7 and the rest of us have to maintain that image). You just persist and keep going. You only succeed when you achieve failure. Sometimes it means failing multiple times. Over and over and over. You do not say "Fark it. Let me just go kill everyone." Dick.
Most recent YouTube video by the guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4CressilIo
...a golf course is his place of refuge?
Guy has a nice BMW and he is still upset.
I understand where he is coming from. I completely do not understand his mindless sense to kill GET SOME FARKING MEDS, and deal with your shit.
Sorry..I am just so angry at this kid. There is absolutely no excuse to take others lives, just because you are not content with yours. That is downright selfish.
It just seems like quite a reach to say unequivocally, without a doubt, that this one issue is causing outcomes like this.
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And you're not entertaining any other contributing factors, just the one...