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Santa Barbara murders

12,104 277 May 26, 2014 at 05:56 AM in News (2)
Hundreds gathered at a memorial service Sunday night to mourn six young people killed two nights earlier by a gunman in a California college town.


Elliot Rodger, 22, the son of a Hollywood director, fatally stabbed three people in his apartment before shooting dead three others on Friday in Isla Vista, near the University of California at Santa Barbara campus. He then shot himself.
Rodger killed two women and four men, aged 19 to 22, and wounded 13 people, including eight who he shot as he sped through town in his black BMW, exchanging fire with police, authorities said.
Minutes before opening fire the former community college student emailed his plans to some 30 people including his mother, father and former teachers, said Cathleen Bloeser, whose son was a childhood friend of Rodger and received a copy.
Rodger stated his intention to kill his housemates, lure others to his home to continue the mayhem then slaughter women in a sorority and bring his spree to the streets of Isla Vista.
The manifesto, which details Rodger's fear that his guns might have been discovered when police visited him less than a month ago, was not the first indication of a troubled mind.

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Am I the only one who sees the results of raising a self-esteem based "everyone gets a trophy" generation here? When everyone gets a trophy and every child is constantly told that they are special and everything they do is amazing, they never learn how to deal with rejection and failure. Failure is part of life and shielding children from it to preserve their self esteem is like smothering your child in antibiotics their whole life to protect them from getting sick and then wondering why they have no immune system when they grow up. If a child never learns how to cope with losing and being wrong, when they reach adulthood they don't have the mental faculties to deal with the failure they will invariably encounter in their adult lives. The guy who shot those innocent people in Santa Barbara claims that it was revenge for being rejected by the girls and the popular kids at his college. I was rejected by girls and popular kids my entire life and shooting a bunch of people never entered my mind. Maybe instead of giving our kids a trophy when they lose, we should teach them that losing is a part of life and give them the tools that they need to cope with failure, learn from it, and then get on with their lives.

Just a thought.



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05-26-2014 at 11:35 AM.
05-26-2014 at 11:35 AM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
What hate have I expressed?

The liberals fully endorse the things you are complaining about. Openly. They don't try to hide it. I don't need to blame anybody--they are proud of their efforts to keep kids from experiencing failure. It must be nice to live in a world where you can live with your head in the sand and pretend that you can't see the source of the things you admit are a huge problem.

And blaming one group? The liberals have their act together and are succeeding with what they desire to do. The Republicans are too stuck on their own desire for power to do anything useful to actually fix anything. And the public in general is too apathetic and focused on their own minute little existences to even pay attention to what is going on in the world around them. When you try to get people to use their brain a little bit and apply a little reason they just start to yawn and return to their facebook and twitter world.

You talk about dealing with this every day--where do you think it comes from if I am so wrong?
The self esteem movement was largely created by permissive parents who are compensating for their own parents having been too strict with them when they were raised in the 50's. In the same way, helicopter parents are compensating for absentee parents who weren't present enough in their lives because they were out smoking pot and following the Grateful Dead on tour during the 60's and 70's. It's a generational thing. It has nothing to do with politics. But keep on trying to shoehorn everything into that political mold bunny...
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You don't see even a little bit of hypocrisy for you calling out the bunny for blaming liberals when you're basically generalizing the way an entire generation was raised and blaming that?

Seems like two sides of the same coin to me...
I am pointing out that a shift in educational policy has resulted in a deficiency in the children who were educated under a certain philosophy. I don't blame the self-esteem philosophy for anything and everything under the sun the way the bunny blames liberals for every single bad thing that happens in the world. I could post a thread about having a bad hangnail on my right index finger and somehow the bunny would find a way to blame liberals for it.

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It's all good! I'm extremely happy with the way my life turned out. I'm in academia now, so I'm constantly surrounded by people who are nerds and proud of it! laugh out loud Thank you for the hug anyways though. Big Grin
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Iaaaiws
05-26-2014 at 01:06 PM.
05-26-2014 at 01:06 PM.
Quote from dalokgawd :
The self esteem movement was largely created by permissive parents who are compensating for their own parents having been too strict with them when they were raised in the 50's. In the same way, helicopter parents are compensating for absentee parents who weren't present enough in their lives because they were out smoking pot and following the Grateful Dead on tour during the 60's and 70's. It's a generational thing. It has nothing to do with politics. But keep on trying to shoehorn everything into that political mold bunny...

I am pointing out that a shift in educational policy has resulted in a deficiency in the children who were educated under a certain philosophy. I don't blame the self-esteem philosophy for anything and everything under the sun the way the bunny blames liberals for every single bad thing that happens in the world. I could post a thread about having a bad hangnail on my right index finger and somehow the bunny would find a way to blame liberals for it.

Nice reading comprehension. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

As I said, I don't need to blame the liberals--they are proud to take the "credit" for it. They are proud of their efforts, why do you need to try and pretend differently? Why try to deny something on their behalf something that they are proud of?

As I said previously but you can't comprehend with your head in the sand--it isn't the liberals' fault--it is the fault of all of the rest of us that let it continue. But go on whining about how "the bunny blames everything on the liberals".

As long as you keep seeing things through that prism you are just continuing the indoctrination with your teaching. Hopefully enough of the students can overcome it as they learn from reality when they are out of school and facing real world problems.
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05-26-2014 at 01:39 PM.
05-26-2014 at 01:39 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Nice reading comprehension. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

As I said, I don't need to blame the liberals--they are proud to take the "credit" for it. They are proud of their efforts, why do you need to try and pretend differently? Why try to deny something on their behalf something that they are proud of?

As I said previously but you can't comprehend with your head in the sand--it isn't the liberals' fault--it is the fault of all of the rest of us that let it continue. But go on whining about how "the bunny blames everything on the liberals".

As long as you keep seeing things through that prism you are just continuing the indoctrination with your teaching. Hopefully enough of the students can overcome it as they learn from reality when they are out of school and facing real world problems.
There is a difference between wanting to fund the public education system and "proudly taking the credit" for the self esteem philosophy that currently dominates public education. Just because liberals don't want to defund our public schools in order to give tax breaks to the wealthy that doesn't mean they are responsible for the everyone gets a trophy mentality.

I suppose you blame the liberals for every car crash in America since they fight for funding public infrastructure huh?
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05-26-2014 at 02:14 PM.
05-26-2014 at 02:14 PM.
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Stabs three to death, runs over one, shoots three more to death... And gun laws are to blame. In California.
OP, Why isn't this thread title "Santa Barbara Stabbings" ?
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05-26-2014 at 02:26 PM.
05-26-2014 at 02:26 PM.
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OP, Why isn't this thread title "Santa Barbara Stabbings" ?
Popcorn
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Iaaaiws
05-26-2014 at 02:32 PM.
05-26-2014 at 02:32 PM.
Quote from dalokgawd :
There is a difference between wanting to fund the public education system and "proudly taking the credit" for the self esteem philosophy that currently dominates public education. Just because liberals don't want to defund our public schools in order to give tax breaks to the wealthy that doesn't mean they are responsible for the everyone gets a trophy mentality.

I suppose you blame the liberals for every car crash in America since they fight for funding public infrastructure huh?
Are you still stuck on that blaming liberals nonsense? laugh out loud
You are obviously hopeless.


But on this day I honor and salute those who have made the ultimate sacrifice to defend the right for all of us to be free to not only have our own views and opinions but to be able to openly express those views. Hopefully we will always be able to continue to do so without fear of being silenced by our government.

Huh

Well, except for when they use the NSA and the IRS as political tools against the opposition party.

But, well, I guess we can't expect perfection. Dontknow
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05-26-2014 at 02:35 PM.
05-26-2014 at 02:35 PM.
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OP, Why isn't this thread title "Santa Barbara Stabbings" ?
Knives don't kill people, evil guns kill people.
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05-26-2014 at 02:40 PM.
05-26-2014 at 02:40 PM.
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easy access to guns
Access to guns has very little to do with this series of events. Even if guns were banned entirely (let's not forget that Cali isn't exactly gun-friendly and all the waiting periods and magazine capacity limitations didn't stop anything), half the people would still be dead. The breakdown here is why in the hell he wasn't deemed a risk to others, why this wasn't seen sooner, why the police didn't do more than ask a couple of questions when kids who post even stupider shit online get arrested and thrown in jail.

I imagine the answer here has a lot to do with his affluence.
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05-26-2014 at 02:42 PM.
05-26-2014 at 02:42 PM.
Quote from dalokgawd :
I am pointing out that a shift in educational policy has resulted in a deficiency in the children who were educated under a certain philosophy. I don't blame the self-esteem philosophy for anything and everything under the sun the way the bunny blames liberals for every single bad thing that happens in the world. I could post a thread about having a bad hangnail on my right index finger and somehow the bunny would find a way to blame liberals for it.
So what exactly gives any sort of credence to your broad generalization that this educational philosophy is responsible for churning out mass murderers?

It just seems like quite a reach to say unequivocally, without a doubt, that this one issue is causing outcomes like this.
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05-26-2014 at 02:43 PM.
05-26-2014 at 02:43 PM.
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So what exactly gives any sort of credence to your broad generalization that this educational philosophy is responsible for churning out mass murderers?

It just seems like quite a reach to say unequivocally, without a doubt, that this one issue is causing outcomes like this.
he is an educator. so some first person experience at least. Dontknow
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05-26-2014 at 02:45 PM.
05-26-2014 at 02:45 PM.
Yeah..kid had problems. A 137 page manifesto? Farking hell. I'm in the same age group and now I'm super worried about getting new roommates. I am going to be running mandatory background checks now and doing self-evaluations now.

Everyone has problems. I've been rejected multiple times. Doesn't mean I don't stop trying. I've had many successes too. Not everyone is attracted to everyone (yes I know some people are perfectly hot 24/7 and the rest of us have to maintain that image). You just persist and keep going. You only succeed when you achieve failure. Sometimes it means failing multiple times. Over and over and over. You do not say "Fark it. Let me just go kill everyone." Dick.


Most recent YouTube video by the guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4CressilIo
...a golf course is his place of refuge?


Guy has a nice BMW and he is still upset.

I understand where he is coming from. I completely do not understand his mindless sense to kill GET SOME FARKING MEDS, and deal with your shit.


Sorry..I am just so angry at this kid. There is absolutely no excuse to take others lives, just because you are not content with yours. That is downright selfish.
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05-26-2014 at 02:49 PM.
05-26-2014 at 02:49 PM.
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So what exactly gives any sort of credence to your broad generalization that this educational philosophy is responsible for churning out mass murderers?

It just seems like quite a reach to say unequivocally, without a doubt, that this one issue is causing outcomes like this.
Can you please point to where I said that the self esteem philosophy is "responsible for churning out mass murderers?" I said that I feel like it is a contributing factor in children being unprepared to handle the rigors of adulthood and that lack of preparation seems like it may have played a role in this specific instance where the shooter's motive had to do with his inability to cope with rejection from his peers. How did you get from a link between the self esteem philosophy and this one specific shooting to me claiming that the self esteem philosophy is responsible for churning out mass murderers in general?
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05-26-2014 at 02:49 PM.
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he is an educator. some some first person experience at least. Dontknow
So... anecdotal evidence?
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05-26-2014 at 02:50 PM.
05-26-2014 at 02:50 PM.
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OP, Why isn't this thread title "Santa Barbara Stabbings" ?
Valid point. I changed the thread title to Santa Barbara murders. Better?
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05-26-2014 at 02:53 PM.
05-26-2014 at 02:53 PM.
Quote from dalokgawd :
Can you please point to where I said that the self esteem philosophy is "responsible for churning out mass murderers?" I said that I feel like it is a contributing factor in children being unprepared to handle the rigors of adulthood and that lack of preparation seems like it may have played a role in this specific instance where the shooter's motive had to do with his inability to cope with rejection from his peers. How did you get from a link between the self esteem philosophy and this one specific shooting to me claiming that the self esteem philosophy is responsible for churning out mass murderers in general?
You totally should have just posted this right in the podium, it's headed there. laugh out loud

And you're not entertaining any other contributing factors, just the one... Dontknow
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