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Santa Barbara murders

12,104 277 May 26, 2014 at 05:56 AM in News (2)
Hundreds gathered at a memorial service Sunday night to mourn six young people killed two nights earlier by a gunman in a California college town.


Elliot Rodger, 22, the son of a Hollywood director, fatally stabbed three people in his apartment before shooting dead three others on Friday in Isla Vista, near the University of California at Santa Barbara campus. He then shot himself.
Rodger killed two women and four men, aged 19 to 22, and wounded 13 people, including eight who he shot as he sped through town in his black BMW, exchanging fire with police, authorities said.
Minutes before opening fire the former community college student emailed his plans to some 30 people including his mother, father and former teachers, said Cathleen Bloeser, whose son was a childhood friend of Rodger and received a copy.
Rodger stated his intention to kill his housemates, lure others to his home to continue the mayhem then slaughter women in a sorority and bring his spree to the streets of Isla Vista.
The manifesto, which details Rodger's fear that his guns might have been discovered when police visited him less than a month ago, was not the first indication of a troubled mind.

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Am I the only one who sees the results of raising a self-esteem based "everyone gets a trophy" generation here? When everyone gets a trophy and every child is constantly told that they are special and everything they do is amazing, they never learn how to deal with rejection and failure. Failure is part of life and shielding children from it to preserve their self esteem is like smothering your child in antibiotics their whole life to protect them from getting sick and then wondering why they have no immune system when they grow up. If a child never learns how to cope with losing and being wrong, when they reach adulthood they don't have the mental faculties to deal with the failure they will invariably encounter in their adult lives. The guy who shot those innocent people in Santa Barbara claims that it was revenge for being rejected by the girls and the popular kids at his college. I was rejected by girls and popular kids my entire life and shooting a bunch of people never entered my mind. Maybe instead of giving our kids a trophy when they lose, we should teach them that losing is a part of life and give them the tools that they need to cope with failure, learn from it, and then get on with their lives.

Just a thought.



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05-26-2014 at 03:31 PM.
05-26-2014 at 03:31 PM.
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laugh out loud Yeah. I would be too lazy to write up a 137-page manifesto anyway. Ain't nobody got time for that. I don't even plan to write that much for my thesis. I'd be nice and concise it down to a few paragraphs at most. Maybe some footnotes. laugh out loud
Is the manifesto a prerequisite for killing people? Is there some sort of club you guys join or something? Where can we see this list of rules and steps?
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05-26-2014 at 03:32 PM.
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Is the manifesto a prerequisite for killing people? Is there some sort of club you guys join or something? Where can we see this list of rules and steps?
I'd tell you, but... well... I don't feel like writing a manifesto before I'd have to kill you.
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05-26-2014 at 03:32 PM.
05-26-2014 at 03:32 PM.
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Are you saying you have a specific list of people to kill? EEK!

And that you are going to use a far more devastating weapon to kill them? EEK!
That's what it sounded like to me! Popcorn
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05-26-2014 at 03:32 PM.
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Yeah, you say that now...


Then, one day...







Blowup

Roll I barely know how to shoot a gun. Shit..my aim is terrible in FPSes..any of my friends can tell you I suck at shooting. I would probably end up accidentally hitting a fire hydrant or something and have it ricochet back to my own body. Rofl2


I do plan to learn hunting one day...but not the time for that.
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I'd tell you, but... well... I don't feel like writing a manifesto before I'd have to kill you.
Lol2
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Is the manifesto a prerequisite for killing people? Is there some sort of club you guys join or something? Where can we see this list of rules and steps? How can I join?
fixed.

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fixed.

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Roll I barely know how to shoot a gun. Shit..my aim is terrible in FPSes..any of my friends can tell you I suck at shooting. I would probably end up accidentally hitting a fire hydrant or something and have it ricochet back to my own body. Rofl2


I do plan to learn hunting one day...but not the time for that.
You don't need a gun to kill people! You can stab 'em, run 'em over, blow 'em up... I'm sure there are other ways. The human body is a relatively fragile thing. Wasn't there a show at some point called a thousand ways to die, or something?
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Is the manifesto a prerequisite for killing people? Is there some sort of club you guys join or something? Where can we see this list of rules and steps?
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I'd tell you, but... well... I don't feel like writing a manifesto before I'd have to kill you.
We can't let Mal know about "the club." You know she would criticize our manifestos. Stick Out Tongue
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05-26-2014 at 03:37 PM.
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You don't need a gun to kill people! You can stab 'em, run 'em over, blow 'em up... I'm sure there are other ways. The human body is a relatively fragile thing. Wasn't there a show at some point called a thousand ways to die, or something?
if you have any young kids in the home, ask them. most are experts at GTA.
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fixed.

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LMAO

Are you kidding?! I can't even kill an insect. I have to find one of my cats and make them do it. laugh out loud

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If you think she's not already a member and not just playing coy, you're not the bunny I thought you were.
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LMAO

Are you kidding?! I can't even kill an insect. I have to find one of my cats and make them do it. laugh out loud
Cruelty to animals? Check.
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We can't let Mal know about "the club." You know she would criticize our manifestos. Stick Out Tongue
Knowing the two of you? Yeah, yeah I would. laugh out loud

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if you have any young kids in the home, ask them. most are experts at GTA.
I play GTA! Whee

I'm pretty sure we discussed this at length with the last shooting... Scratchhead

Oh, right, you can beat them to death with a baseball bat, golf club, crowbar or your bare hands. You can also set them on fire with a molotov cocktail. Other than that though, my post covered everything else you do in GTA to kill people. laugh out loud

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Cruelty to animals? Check.
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You know you can't force a cat to do anything! They like chasing and eating the bugs, I just have to show them where it is. LMAO
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You know you can't force a cat to do anything!
Damned SD filters Ranting
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05-26-2014 at 03:44 PM.
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Glad to see you enjoy it so much. Coverlaugh



Serious question though:

I saw that mentality from a lot of kids when I was still in school and I'm sure it is a lot worse now. I only had a couple of professors/instructors who wouldn't put up with the whiny bullshit and from your posts I wouldn't think you would tolerate it either.

You are fortunate to be in a position to do something about the behavior of these "lazy self entitled kids". How do you handle that and what do you do individually to attempt to make them see life differently?
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