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So What Does Everyone Think About Deflate-Gate?

25,141 707 January 22, 2015 at 12:50 PM in Sporting Goods
The title says it. What does everyone think about this bizarre "Deflate-Gate" deal that is far more interesting that this year's Super Bowl? Belichick reaffirmed that he knew nothing at all about the football preparation and denied having anything to do with it.

Tom Brady is supposed to be talking publicly very soon and may be admitting to arranging to have the footballs prepped to the way he likes them.

So, is this a big deal? Is this something that happens with pretty much every team and it has just become public?

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01-25-2015 at 11:10 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:10 AM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
At one point I heard that ball #12 was the kicking ball which would have been prepared differently than the rest. But then I also heard that the NFL supplies the kicking ball so that makes it sound like it wouldn't be included in the 12 footballs for each team.

Mystery not solved.
I believe the team gives the NFL the k-ball something like a week in advance. So it could very well have been prepared differently, as in inflated to the max allowed pressure, and then given to the officiating team. I also wonder if the k-ball is stored outside or inside until needed.
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01-25-2015 at 11:12 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:12 AM.
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Were the Colt's suspicions correct in the first game? Or did they merely wait until they're outside in a cold arena with thermodynamics at play to start whining, hedging their bets on underinflated balls since I'm sure they know Brady likes them at the edge of the legal limit?

Your false dichotomy doesn't impress me.
No you're right, Brady looked like a confident comfortable character in that presser.
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01-25-2015 at 11:13 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:13 AM.
I already explained the footballs.

12 playing balls. 3 kicking balls. for 30 balls between each team. 6 other balls held by the refs in case they are needed, like it was in the Sunday game when the Patriots were required to use theirs in the 2nd half.
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01-25-2015 at 11:21 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:21 AM.
Quote from fireballs :
No you're right, Brady looked like a confident comfortable character in that presser.
Brady probably doesn't give a shit and thinks the whole deal is ridiculous. What does it matter?

Your claim was that:
The Colts said they were suspicious of the balls last game and then confirmed it this game. Last game was in a heated dome, is it just coincidence that the Colts suspicions were correct or did they just get lucky?
You have zero evidence anything was wrong with the balls the previous game, nor do you have evidence they tampered with the balls this game.
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01-25-2015 at 11:27 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:27 AM.
Let's say I have a few drinks before driving and use a breathalyzer to see if I'm under the legal limit, I blow a .07 which is under the limit. While driving over the next couple of minutes more alcohol enters my blood and when I get pulled over and they demand a blood test I give them a .09.

Would I win in court if I argued that while I did drive while under the influence its not my fault because I was under the legal limit before I started driving?

Plus how good would that go over if I had prior DUIs (spygate)? Their is a history of cheating here that can't be ignored.

I thought players get better with time. But Brady hasn't won anywhere close to how he did before spygate
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01-25-2015 at 11:31 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:31 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
Brady probably doesn't give a shit and thinks the whole deal is ridiculous. What does it matter?

Your claim was that:
The Colts said they were suspicious of the balls last game and then confirmed it this game. Last game was in a heated dome, is it just coincidence that the Colts suspicions were correct or did they just get lucky?
You have zero evidence anything was wrong with the balls the previous game, nor do you have evidence they tampered with the balls this game.
citation of where they thought they were under-inflated the previous game? it isn't even the Colts who brought it to the attention in this game. everyone rumored out that it was D'Qwell Jackson who brought it up that the ball felt under-inflated after he intercepted Brady's pass. he stated Wednesday that it was not him who said something to the refs.
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01-25-2015 at 11:31 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:31 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
Brady probably doesn't give a shit and thinks the whole deal is ridiculous. What does it matter?

Your claim was that:
The Colts said they were suspicious of the balls last game and then confirmed it this game. Last game was in a heated dome, is it just coincidence that the Colts suspicions were correct or did they just get lucky?
You have zero evidence anything was wrong with the balls the previous game, nor do you have evidence they tampered with the balls this game.
Well its a know fact that 11 out of 12 of their balls were documented to be deflated below the league limit. Can you tell me another documented time that a team has been found with 11 of their 12 balls deflated? Can you name me one documented time a team has been found using 1 deflated ball?

If you can prove this is a common thing then maybe you have a point. Until then the Patriots cheated
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01-25-2015 at 11:34 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:34 AM.
Quote from fireballs :
Let's say I have a few drinks before driving and use a breathalyzer to see if I'm under the legal limit, I blow a .07 which is under the limit. While driving over the next couple of minutes more alcohol enters my blood and when I get pulled over and they demand a blood test I give them a .09.
False analogy.

The refs tested the balls before the game. They were at the legal limit. There is no mention of filling temperature or storage temperature in the rules. Do the teams now also have to account for the laws of thermodynamics to make sure that their balls don't decrease in pressure during the first half of the game to slightly under legal?

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Would I win in court if I argued that while I did drive while under the influence its not my fault because I was under the legal limit before I started driving?
You would win in court if you were breathalyzed at .09 and by the time you got to the police station for a blood test, you had metabolized enough alcohol that you wound up at .07, which is a more fair analogy here.

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Plus how good would that go over if I had prior DUIs (spygate)? Their is a history of cheating here that can't be ignored.
Past bad acts generally cannot be used as evidence that you may have committed a crime based on the fact you have committed similar crimes in the past.

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I thought players get better with time. But Brady hasn't won anywhere close to how he did before spygate
Sounds like you just don't like Brady and the Patriots.

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Well its a know fact that 11 out of 12 of their balls were documented to be deflated below the league limit. Can you tell me another documented time that a team has been found with 11 of their 12 balls deflated? Can you name me one documented time a team has been found using 1 deflated ball?

If you can prove this is a common thing then maybe you have a point. Until then the Patriots cheated
Guilty until proven innocent? Nice!

When's the last time that a team has had all 12 of their balls tested in similar environmental conditions under similar circumstances at half-time? If you can prove this is a common thing then maybe you have a point. Until then the Patriots didn't cheat.
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01-25-2015 at 11:35 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:35 AM.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id...src=mobile

After Thursday's Pro Bowl practice at Luke Air Force Base in Glendale, Arizona, Jackson said he couldn't tell whether the ball he intercepted in the second quarter of a 45-7 loss to the New England Patriots was or wasn't deflated below the threshold allowed by the NFL.

"I'm a linebacker, I'm a defensive guy," Jackson said. "If anybody recognized anything it definitely wouldn't come from me."

After picking off Patriots quarterback Tom Brady with about 9:21 left in the first half, Jackson said he gave the ball to the Colts' equipment staff to save for him as a "souvenir." He didn't know what happened to the football after that and said it's still "beyond" him as to what the chain of events were.

Asked how the football got to NFL officials, Jackson said, "That's a question that I can't answer."

"I don't know how it got to this point," he said. "Somehow I'm in the middle of it."
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01-25-2015 at 11:36 AM.
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citation of where they thought they were under-inflated the previous game? it isn't even the Colts who brought it to the attention in this game. everyone rumored out that it was D'Qwell Jackson who brought it up that the ball felt under-inflated after he intercepted Brady's pass. he stated Wednesday that it was not him who said something to the refs.
Don't ask me, ask the hater.
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01-25-2015 at 11:39 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:39 AM.
Patriots were deflating balls and taping practices before. The double dip like Sammy Sosa, steroids and a corked bat.

I actually respect Lance Armstrong more than the Patriots. A bunch of other cyclists were caught doping. In the NFL the Patriots have had steroids users like every team but they are the only ones that we know for sure deflating balls and taping practices.

Spygate, deflategate and a repeat murderer, yeah this is the new americas team, literally. But that says more about today's america than it does the patriots.
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01-25-2015 at 11:39 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:39 AM.
Quote from fireballs :
Well its a know fact that 11 out of 12 of their balls were documented to be deflated below the league limit. Can you tell me another documented time that a team has been found with 11 of their 12 balls deflated? Can you name me one documented time a team has been found using 1 deflated ball?

If you can prove this is a common thing then maybe you have a point. Until then the Patriots cheated
I already explained exactly how the balls could have been inflated indoors at a legal pressure (12.5 psi) and then been brought outside and had their pressure drop to 11 psi. If the balls were inflated to an allowable pressure and then the pressure dropped because of the temperature, you can hardly blame the Patriots for cheating. Last time I checked, the New England Patriots do no control the temperature of the planet.
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01-25-2015 at 11:41 AM.
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Quote from dalokgawd :
Last time I checked, the New England Patriots do no control the temperature of the planet.
you must not know Belichick. Smilie
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01-25-2015 at 11:44 AM.
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Quote from fireballs :
Patriots were deflating balls and taping practices before. The double dip like Sammy Sosa, steroids and a corked bat.

I actually respect Lance Armstrong more than the Patriots. A bunch of other cyclists were caught doping. In the NFL the Patriots have had steroids users like every team but they are the only ones that we know for sure deflating balls and taping practices.

Spygate, deflategate and a repeat murderer, yeah this is the new americas team, literally. But that says more about today's america than it does the patriots.
1) You think that the other teams didn't tape practices.
2) You haven't proven they deflated balls
3) Hernandez has not been convicted in a court of law by a jury of his peers.

You're really coming off as a butthurt Patriots-hater. You're making a whole lot of accusations with little fact to back anything up, except your blind prejudice towards the team.

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I already explained exactly how the balls could have been inflated indoors at a legal pressure (12.5 psi) and then been brought outside and had their pressure drop to 11 psi. If the balls were inflated to an allowable pressure and then the pressure dropped because of the temperature, you can hardly blame the Patriots for cheating. Last time I checked, the New England Patriots do no control the temperature of the planet.
It's obvious he doesn't care about logical discourse.
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01-25-2015 at 11:45 AM.
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Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
False analogy.

The refs tested the balls before the game. They were at the legal limit. There is no mention of filling temperature or storage temperature in the rules. Do the teams now also have to account for the laws of thermodynamics to make sure that their balls don't decrease in pressure during the first half of the game to slightly under legal?


You would win in court if you were breathalyzed at .09 and by the time you got to the police station for a blood test, you had metabolized enough alcohol that you wound up at .07, which is a more fair analogy here.


Past bad acts generally cannot be used as evidence that you may have committed a crime based on the fact you have committed similar crimes in the past.


Sounds like you just don't like Brady and the Patriots.


Guilty until proven innocent? Nice!

When's the last time that a team has had all 12 of their balls tested in similar environmental conditions under similar circumstances at half-time? If you can prove this is a common thing then maybe you have a point. Until then the Patriots didn't cheat.
I have seen no proof that another team has any issues with thermodynamics.

Seems like no other team has brought probable cause to have their balls checked.

Maybe just to prove a point the Patriots should start challenging every opoents balls in cold weather.

Funny, when Spygate was first breaking a lot of similar excuses were being made.

Its like sex offenders, they have to register and let everyone know where they live. Because lepoards don't change their spots.

Remember Brady was a life long back up and they went like 12-4 with Cassell. Yes Cassell
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