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So What Does Everyone Think About Deflate-Gate?

25,141 707 January 22, 2015 at 12:50 PM in Sporting Goods
The title says it. What does everyone think about this bizarre "Deflate-Gate" deal that is far more interesting that this year's Super Bowl? Belichick reaffirmed that he knew nothing at all about the football preparation and denied having anything to do with it.

Tom Brady is supposed to be talking publicly very soon and may be admitting to arranging to have the footballs prepped to the way he likes them.

So, is this a big deal? Is this something that happens with pretty much every team and it has just become public?

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01-25-2015 at 11:49 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:49 AM.
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I have seen no proof that another team has any issues with thermodynamics.
I have seen no proof this isn't a common issue and the Patriots haven't just been singled out.

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Seems like no other team has brought probable cause to have their balls checked.
Because no one gives a shit.

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Maybe just to prove a point the Patriots should start challenging every opoents balls in cold weather.
Yeah, and then imagine the manufactured controversy that would stir up.

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Funny, when Spygate was first breaking a lot of similar excuses were being made.
I think Belichick said it best when he pointed out that 80,000 other people saw the practices, and they're not the only team that was doing shit.

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Its like sex offenders, they have to register and let everyone know where they live. Because lepoards don't change their spots.
So having balls deflate is comparable to DUIs and now being registered sex offenders? I think you have a skewed perception of reality. What did the Patriots do to you to cause so much hatred? Are you a Colts fan?
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01-25-2015 at 11:50 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:50 AM.
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what if I told you the Colts were the ones that actually possibly cheated. Popcorn

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/23...nce-video/
"Oh, but if this whole science thing is true, then why weren't the Colts' balls under-inflated? They played in the same weather, right? EXPLAIN THAT," the haters shouted as a final resort.

This is actually the easiest part to understand; the Colts pumped up their balls more than the Patriots did. Naughton even argued that the pigskins Indianapolis supplied might have been inflated past the NFL's maximum PSI limit, but you won't see the NFL launching an investigation into that.
Just to take this more seriously than it deserves, if it happened this way then it would be a failure by the refs to catch the over-inflation at the time of the inspection. That wouldn't be the Colts cheating. It would be a failure by the refs to do their job.

That would also apply to this case if the Patriots supplied footballs that were under-inflated and it was missed during the inspection. If the refs didn't do their job then no cheating occurred.

To me it was only cheating if the footballs were altered after they were inspected.
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01-25-2015 at 11:51 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:51 AM.
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1) You think that the other teams didn't tape practices.
2) You haven't proven they deflated balls
3) Hernandez has not been convicted in a court of law by a jury of his peers.

You're really coming off as a butthurt Patriots-hater. You're making a whole lot of accusations with little fact to back anything up, except your blind prejudice towards the team.


It's obvious he doesn't care about logical discourse.
Can you point me to factual evidence that other teams were taping practices?

The balls being deflated and no other documented case of a NFL teams balls being deflated by weather proves it.

Isn't innocent to proven guilty? Why isn't Hernandez out on the street?

Lucky this isn't the NCAA or Craft would be fired for lack of institutional control.

Didn't Craft bring Floyd wife beater Maywether into his private box? Yeah those are real morals lol
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01-25-2015 at 11:56 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:56 AM.
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Can you point me to factual evidence that other teams were taping practices?
Can you point me to factual evidence that no other teams' balls deflate during cold games?

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The balls being deflated and no other documented case of a NFL teams balls being deflated by weather proves it.
Lack of evidence is not proof, no matter how much you want it to be.

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Isn't innocent to proven guilty? Why isn't Hernandez out on the street?
I'm not sure what your point is? Is he still a Patriot? Or was he released after he was indicted? And in any case, being arrested is not the same as being convicted.

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Lucky this isn't the NCAA or Craft would be fired for lack of institutional control.

Didn't Craft bring Floyd wife beater Maywether into his private box? Yeah those are real morals lol
Where are you bitching about the Ravens? look around
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01-25-2015 at 11:56 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:56 AM.
12.5 is regulation. Why go on the record saying you like deflated balls if you can't even tell the difference with a 10.5 ball?

There is no proof that the temperature effected the balls. But Brady is not helping himself with the word games and change of stances.
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01-25-2015 at 11:56 AM.
01-25-2015 at 11:56 AM.
Quote from fireballs :
Can you point me to factual evidence that other teams were taping practices?

The balls being deflated and no other documented case of a NFL teams balls being deflated by weather proves it.

Isn't innocent to proven guilty? Why isn't Hernandez out on the street?

Lucky this isn't the NCAA or Craft would be fired for lack of institutional control.

Didn't Craft bring Floyd wife beater Maywether into his private box? Yeah those are real morals lol
What does this have to do with Hernandez? IIRC, once that news broke the Patriots released him. That seems like a pretty smart decision. And pretty much no Pats fan really gives a fark about Hernandez any longer, nor should they.
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01-25-2015 at 12:00 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:00 PM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
Can you point me to factual evidence that no other teams' balls deflate during cold games?


Lack of evidence is not proof, no matter how much you want it to be.


I'm not sure what your point is? Is he still a Patriot? Or was he released after he was indicted? And in any case, being arrested is not the same as being convicted.


Where are you bitching about the Ravens? look around
Don't be silly, if something didn't happen then there is no record for it one way or another. If it did happen you can easily point me the evidence.

Yeah he was released after murdering as many as 3 people while on the patriots clock.

Did the Ravens just get caught cheating or was the the Patriots? That name is laughable now
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01-25-2015 at 12:01 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:01 PM.
It really boggles the mind that anyone outside of the parties involved would care this much about an idiotic nonsensical scandal. Did Belichick and Brady go around killing people's puppies to build up this much resentment?

Too bad we can't get people to care this much about real problems.
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01-25-2015 at 12:02 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:02 PM.
Quote from fireballs :
12.5 is regulation. Why go on the record saying you like deflated balls if you can't even tell the difference with a 10.5 ball?
Because you can have a preference, but in the rain and cold and trying to focus on the game that's sending you to the Super Bowl, a ~2 PSI difference probably isn't the first thing to catch your attention.

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There is no proof that the temperature effected the balls. But Brady is not helping himself with the word games and change of stances.
There certainly is evidence; it's called the laws of thermodynamics, and one poster here even did the legwork to do the math and showed it's entirely probable that's what happened.

What there really is no proof of, much to your dismay, is that the Patriots tampered with balls.
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01-25-2015 at 12:02 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:02 PM.
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What does this have to do with Hernandez? IIRC, once that news broke the Patriots released him. That seems like a pretty smart decision. And pretty much no Pats fan really gives a fark about Hernandez any longer, nor should they.
Its just another example of the lack of franchise control. I can't think of another team with a 3 time murder on their team but I know there hasn't been one on a team caught trying to use in game advantages.
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01-25-2015 at 12:05 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:05 PM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
Because you can have a preference, but in the rain and cold and trying to focus on the game that's sending you to the Super Bowl, a ~2 PSI difference probably isn't the first thing to catch your attention.


There certainly is evidence; it's called the laws of thermodynamics, and one poster here even did the legwork to do the math and showed it's entirely probable that's what happened.

What there really is no proof of, much to your dismay, is that the Patriots tampered with balls.
No there is no proof that happened here.

Again, at first everyone said there was no proof of spygate. There are still teams made because Godell and Craft are best friends and godell demanded all evidence destroyed.
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01-25-2015 at 12:06 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:06 PM.
Quote from fireballs :
Don't be silly, if something didn't happen then there is no record for it one way or another. If it did happen you can easily point me the evidence.
If it did happen, and the NFL officials investigated. Stop invoking logical fallacies.

Or rather, keep on. Because it makes you look super smart.

I already asked how many balls in similar conditions were checked mid-game to confirm your hypothesis? Are you familiar with the scientific method? Where are your controls? Where are the balls that were tested in similar conditions, in similar circumstances in other games that were tested?

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Yeah he was released after murdering as many as 3 people while on the patriots clock.
And no other player in the history of the NFL has ever hurt or killed someone while playing for a team. The teams do not have 24/7 control over each person they employ.

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Did the Ravens just get caught cheating or was the the Patriots? That name is laughable now
Well, your comment was about Craft bringing Maywether into a box... But I don't see you bitching about the Ravens literally defending Ray Rice and keeping him on their payroll. Must not be as big of a deal as some deflated balls.

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No there is no proof that happened here.

Again, at first everyone said there was no proof of spygate. There are still teams made because Godell and Craft are best friends and godell demanded all evidence destroyed.
Are you seriously claiming that there is no proof that the laws of thermodynamics took effect?

Are you serious? Really?

LMAO
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01-25-2015 at 12:08 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:08 PM.
Ultimately since they are still playing in the Super Bowl they got away with cheating even if someone gets suspended next year. But just talk to people or watch TV or listen to the radio and Hall of Fame players, Patriots are tainted now. People begrudgingly let the first instance of cheating slide. Now people know who the patriots are.

I hope it was worth tainting a legacy. They are now Barry Bonds, who never tested negative for a legit test but is guilty in the public eye.
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01-25-2015 at 12:09 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:09 PM.
This just in, guys - Gillette Stadium defies the laws of physics!

I bet you could even cook 5 minute grits there in less than 5 minutes!

Whee Whee
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01-25-2015 at 12:10 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:10 PM.
I just read somewhere that Belichick and Brady both hate puppies and they even team up and kill innocent little puppies. I've got to find that quote and start spreading this around so more people are aware of what monsters these two are.



Here it is:

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Belichick and Brady go around killing people's puppies...
Damned evil puppy murderers. Mad
Everyone share this with as many people as possible.
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