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So What Does Everyone Think About Deflate-Gate?

25,141 707 January 22, 2015 at 12:50 PM in Sporting Goods
The title says it. What does everyone think about this bizarre "Deflate-Gate" deal that is far more interesting that this year's Super Bowl? Belichick reaffirmed that he knew nothing at all about the football preparation and denied having anything to do with it.

Tom Brady is supposed to be talking publicly very soon and may be admitting to arranging to have the footballs prepped to the way he likes them.

So, is this a big deal? Is this something that happens with pretty much every team and it has just become public?

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PaintTheSkyGrey
01-25-2015 at 12:10 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:10 PM.
Quote from fireballs :
Ultimately since they are still playing in the Super Bowl they got away with cheating even if someone gets suspended next year. But just talk to people or watch TV or listen to the radio and Hall of Fame players, Patriots are tainted now. People begrudgingly let the first instance of cheating slide. Now people know who the patriots are.

I hope it was worth tainting a legacy. They are now Barry Bonds, who never tested negative for a legit test but is guilty in the public eye.
Sounds like you have a slight case of confirmation bias. So far, I've seen way more people saying this is manufactured controversy and no one would give a shit if it wasn't the Patriots than anything else.

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I just read somewhere that Belichick and Brady both hate puppies and they even team up and kill innocent little puppies. I've got to find that quote and start spreading this around so more people are aware of what monsters these two are.



Here it is:



Damned evil puppy murderers. Mad
Everyone share this with as many people as possible.
Share if you want Brady and Belichick fired
Like if you want the Patriots kicked out of the NFL
Ignore if you hate puppies and worship the devil
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fireballs
01-25-2015 at 12:15 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:15 PM.
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If it did happen, and the NFL officials investigated. Stop invoking logical fallacies.

Or rather, keep on. Because it makes you look super smart.

I already asked how many balls in similar conditions were checked mid-game to confirm your hypothesis? Are you familiar with the scientific method? Where are your controls? Where are the balls that were tested in similar conditions, in similar circumstances in other games that were tested?


And no other player in the history of the NFL has ever hurt or killed someone while playing for a team. The teams do not have 24/7 control over each person they employ.


Well, your comment was about Craft bringing Maywether into a box... But I don't see you bitching about the Ravens literally defending Ray Rice and keeping him on their payroll. Must not be as big of a deal as some deflated balls.


Are you seriously claiming that there is no proof that the laws of thermodynamics took effect?

Are you serious? Really?

LMAO
I'm arguing it could have. Do you have undeniable evidence that they filled the balls in a room warmer than outdoors? No hearsay but proof? I mean do you even have proof that the balls were filled outside?

Again thermodynamics could have been in play but since there is no other documented case of this happening in the history of the NFL I can't just jump to that conclusion like you are.

Funny how Belicheat admitted Thursday how much he had looked into this the prior 3 days and had no idea about this. Then Boston .com post a similar article and then Belicheat copy and pastes the article and now patriots fans talk as if it is fact. Why throw Brady under the bus on Thursday then?

Lol Patriot homers
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01-25-2015 at 12:15 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:15 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Damned evil puppy murderers. Mad
Everyone share this with as many people as possible.
At least that would be a new-worthy topic worth the condemnation that this stupid controversy has caused laugh out loud
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01-25-2015 at 12:20 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:20 PM.
Quote from fireballs :
I'm arguing it could have. Do you have undeniable evidence that they filled the balls in a room warmer than outdoors? No hearsay but proof? I mean do you even have proof that the balls were filled outside?
Do you even have proof for any of your allegations regarding the balls? No? There you go!

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Again thermodynamics could have been in play but since there is no other documented case of this happening in the history of the NFL I can't just jump to that conclusion like you are.
But you sure can jump to the conclusions that the Patriots were cheating and somehow deflated 11/12 balls to right around the same level.

And again, I ask for your controls. When has this happened before for you to know that the outcomes were never the same?

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Funny how Belicheat admitted Thursday how much he had looked into this the prior 3 days and had no idea about this. Then Boston .com post a similar article and then Belicheat copy and pastes the article and now patriots fans talk as if it is fact. Why throw Brady under the bus on Thursday then?

Lol Patriot homers
I'm a Patriots fan? laugh out loud Okay. I just know a bunch of horseshit being trotted around as facts and controversy when I see it.

My first thought when I heard about it was the temperature differences and ideal gas law. I'm sorry that you apparently feel the Patriots somehow deflating their balls perfectly without being noticed is more likely than them being filled inside and then taken outside.
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01-25-2015 at 12:23 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:23 PM.
Quote from fireballs :
There is no proof that the temperature effected the balls. But Brady is not helping himself with the word games and change of stances.
Are you blind or just ignoring my posts? The Ideal Gas Law [wikipedia.org]has been around since 1834. Are you challenging the basic laws of physics now? How freaking trollish can you get!

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01-25-2015 at 12:26 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:26 PM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
Do you even have proof for any of your allegations regarding the balls? No? There you go!


But you sure can jump to the conclusions that the Patriots were cheating and somehow deflated 11/12 balls to right around the same level.

And again, I ask for your controls. When has this happened before for you to know that the outcomes were never the same?


I'm a Patriots fan? laugh out loud Okay. I just know a bunch of horseshit being trotted around as facts and controversy when I see it.

My first thought when I heard about it was the temperature differences and ideal gas law. I'm sorry that you apparently feel the Patriots somehow deflating their balls perfectly without being noticed is more likely than them being filled inside and then taken outside.
They have the balls in their possession for like 2 hours and 15 minutes. A pump needle is so small and so easy to take air out of a ball with you comment leads me to believe you don't play sports or have any idea about psi then. I never met anyone who has used a pump that thought that removing air was such s big event and attention getter. OMFG
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01-25-2015 at 12:28 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:28 PM.
Can we all just stop posting in this thread now?

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01-25-2015 at 12:30 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:30 PM.
Quote from dalokgawd :
Are you blind or just ignoring my posts? The Ideal Gas Law [wikipedia.org]has been around since 1834. Are you challenging the basic laws of physics now? How freaking trollish can you get!
Im not blind. What if the patriots filled their balls in a freezer and then took them to the field?

Since there has been no documented proof that it has effected NFL balls we can't jump to that conclusion.

The NFL doesn't want this. If it was just a simple answer like this it would have already have been cleared up. The NFL has hired digital video surveillance experts. Why? Why do this to your most prized team if there is such a simple fool proof answer?

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Can we all just stop posting in this thread now?

Yes I give you permission
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01-25-2015 at 12:33 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:33 PM.
Quote from fireballs :
They have the balls in their possession for like 2 hours and 15 minutes. A pump needle is so small and so easy to take air out of a ball with you comment leads me to believe you don't play sports or have any idea about psi then. I never met anyone who has used a pump that thought that removing air was such s big event and attention getter. OMFG
And you believe that they all got the balls down to right around the same "perfect" PSI for Brady using only a needle and... nothing else?

Totally plausible. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

Quote from fireballs :
Since there has been no documented proof that it has effected NFL balls we can't jump to that conclusion.
But you can certainly jump to many other conclusion that have even less of a basis in reality.

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01-25-2015 at 12:39 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:39 PM.
The rule isn't that your balls have to be correct for the check up only and them whatever psi after that. The rule is that balls used in the game have to be between 12.5 and 12.5 psi.

It doesn't matter if you claim you accidentally cheated. If you break the rules you break the rules.

This is equal to a guy getting a supplement from GNC and then getting suspended because it had a banned substance that he didn't know about

Again the balls used in the game need to be between 12.5 and 13.5. If you get a competitive advantage on purpose or not it taints outcomes.

Like it or not Patriots broke the rules and its their responsibility and nobody else's to ensure that they are within the rules at all time.
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01-25-2015 at 12:44 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:44 PM.
Quote from fireballs :
The rule isn't that your balls have to be correct for the check up only and them whatever psi after that. The rule is that balls used in the game have to be between 12.5 and 12.5 psi.

It doesn't matter if you claim you accidentally cheated. If you break the rules you break the rules.

This is equal to a guy getting a supplement from GNC and then getting suspended because it had a banned substance that he didn't know about

Again the balls used in the game need to be between 12.5 and 13.5. If you get a competitive advantage on purpose or not it taints outcomes.

Like it or not Patriots broke the rules and its their responsibility and nobody else's to ensure that they are within the rules at all time.
Patriots don't control physics. The deflation had a minimal impact on the game. The rain had more of an effect on anything than the 2 PSI pressure differential.

Cry more, I bet it'll help bring the Colts to Super Bowl XLIX.
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01-25-2015 at 12:55 PM.
01-25-2015 at 12:55 PM.
As both teams dealt with the freezing temperatures, Fox cameras showed sideline attendants using heaters to warm up game balls, which is against league rules. NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said Monday morning on NFL Network that officials warned both the Vikings and Panthers not to heat up the balls during Sunday's game, and would remind teams this week not to heat game balls.

"You can't do anything with the footballs in terms of any artificial, whether you're heating them up, whether it's a regular game ball or kicking ball, you can't do anything to the football," Blandino said. "So that was noticed during the game, both teams were made aware of it during the game and we will certainly remind the clubs as we get into more cold weather games that you can't do anything with the football in terms of heating them up with those sideline heaters."
http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota...rs-vikings

Not the Patriots? No scandal.
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Iaaaiws
01-25-2015 at 01:58 PM.
01-25-2015 at 01:58 PM.
This is still the best Patriot's "competitive advantage" they ever pulled off.

Belichick's stuff is just weak.





There was no specific rule against what they did so technically it wasn't cheating. laugh out loud
A rule was later put in place to prohibit something like this from happening again.
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01-25-2015 at 02:37 PM.
01-25-2015 at 02:37 PM.
just noticed fireballs' location. things are making so much more sense now.

poor raiders fan. there, there. Comfort
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