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So What Does Everyone Think About Deflate-Gate?
January 22, 2015 at
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The title says it. What does everyone think about this bizarre "Deflate-Gate" deal that is far more interesting that this year's Super Bowl? Belichick reaffirmed that he knew nothing at all about the football preparation and denied having anything to do with it.
Tom Brady is supposed to be talking publicly very soon and may be admitting to arranging to have the footballs prepped to the way he likes them.
So, is this a big deal? Is this something that happens with pretty much every team and it has just become public?
Tom Brady is supposed to be talking publicly very soon and may be admitting to arranging to have the footballs prepped to the way he likes them.
So, is this a big deal? Is this something that happens with pretty much every team and it has just become public?
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Cry more, I bet it'll help bring the Colts to Super Bowl XLIX.
It would be the same thing if a pitcher "accidentally" gets pine tar on his hand and then "unknowingly" goes out and pitches. That's a suspension accident or not.
Shame on the NFL for not having defined measurement criteria (e.g. at a certain temperature for X hours, certain % humidity, etc) if this doesn't pan out. Heck, under the above calculations since the allowable spread is 1PSI but the temperature swing is at least 1.5PSI, it's impossible for a ball to be within proper inflation "in the locker room" and on the field (50 F) without alteration after the initial inspection - even a 13.5 PSI ball would have dropped to ~ 12, under the requirements.
Shame on the NFL for not having defined measurement criteria (e.g. at a certain temperature for X hours, certain % humidity, etc) if this doesn't pan out. Heck, under the above calculations since the allowable spread is 1PSI but the temperature swing is at least 1.5PSI, it's impossible for a ball to be within proper inflation "in the locker room" and on the field (50 F) without alteration after the initial inspection - even a 13.5 PSI ball would have dropped to ~ 12, under the requirements.
False equivalence. It would be like if a pitcher threw a ball into the dirt, the ump said it was okay to keep using it, and then controversy broke out because they used a ball that touched the dirt.
Yep, that's pretty much it. No one gives a shit normally. This can't be uncommon. It's physics.
That's not even close to a accurate example. When the officials checked the balls they were okay. To fix your example it would be the umpire OKed the pitcher then he got his hand dirty and never had the dirty hand OKed and then gained a competitive advantage with what ever substance was on his hand. That's a suspension.
Again rules state that the balls played with have to be within 12.5 to 13.5 psi. If it was only up until the refs checked them then the NFL wouldn't have need to confiscated the balls during the game.
Rules are rules and the patriots broke them. Ignorance is not an excuse for gaining a competitive advantage.
Patriot fans are acting like thermodynamics is obvious and clearly the culprit. If its so obvious and the rules state that the ball has to be 12.5 to 13.5 psi then the Patriots should have took that into consideration. They could fill there balls in a cooler room.
Since no other team has ever been found using deflated balls seems like thermodynamics either isn't in play or other teams take it into consideration.
Everyone is doing it isn't a justifiable excuse.
That's not even close to a accurate example. When the officials checked the balls they were okay. To fix your example it would be the umpire OKed the pitcher then he got his hand dirty and never had the dirty hand OKed and then gained a competitive advantage with what ever substance was on his hand. That's a suspension.
Again rules state that the balls played with have to be within 12.5 to 13.5 psi. If it was only up until the refs checked them then the NFL wouldn't have need to confiscated the balls during the game.
Rules are rules and the patriots broke them. Ignorance is not an excuse for gaining a competitive advantage.
Patriot fans are acting like thermodynamics is obvious and clearly the culprit. If its so obvious and the rules state that the ball has to be 12.5 to 13.5 psi then the Patriots should have took that into consideration. They could fill there balls in a cooler room.
Since no other team has ever been found using deflated balls seems like thermodynamics either isn't in play or other teams take it into consideration.
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Another reason, if your statement is true, could simply be that no one gave a shit about the exact pressure of the footballs, so they never actually got checked thoroughly.
Not observing something is not the same as it never having occurred.
Another reason, if your statement is true, could simply be that no one gave a shit about the exact pressure of the footballs, so they never actually got checked thoroughly.
Not observing something is not the same as it never having occurred.
None of these excuses are anything more than just excuses. The only facts we have right now is that there is a rule and the Patriots are the only team found to have broken it.
It doesn't matter if everyone is doing it or not. The Patriots are the only team caught.
Keep trying to muddyvit up, at the end of the day facts are Patriots broke the rules and at minimum the way in which the rule was broke just happens to be exactly what Shady Brady likes.
None of these excuses are anything more than just excuses. The only facts we have right now is that there is a rule and the Patriots are the only team found to have broken it.
It doesn't matter if everyone is doing it or not. The Patriots are the only team caught.
Keep trying to muddyvit up, at the end of the day facts are Patriots broke the rules and at minimum the way in which the rule was broke just happens to be exactly what Shady Brady likes.
I'm not sure why you have such a hard-on for bashing them. I don't even give a damn about football most of the time; I just think this is a completely overblown manufactured controversy simply because people don't like Brady and the Patriots. Balls are messed with all the time, sometimes to a much greater extent (ie baking them) and it's not some huge scandal.
You haven't even provided a method by which they would have deflated the balls on purpose.
I'm not sure why you have such a hard-on for bashing them. I don't even give a damn about football most of the time; I just think this is a completely overblown manufactured controversy simply because people don't like Brady and the Patriots. Balls are messed with all the time, sometimes to a much greater extent (ie baking them) and it's not some huge scandal.
You haven't even provided a method by which they would have deflated the balls on purpose.
Lets say you are going to ship sand and the truck gets on the scales before leaving and is within the limit like the patriots balls were and then unknowingly the sand absorbs some moisture from the air and the load now weighs more than the legal limit like you claim the air pressure changed without the patriots knowing.
If the truck driver gets pulled over and they weigh the truck and its no longer within the legal limit is the driver innocent of having a unsafe load?
Lets say you are going to ship sand and the truck gets on the scales before leaving and is within the limit like the patriots balls were and then unknowingly the sand absorbs some moisture from the air and the load now weighs more than the legal limit like you claim the air pressure changed without the patriots knowing.
If the truck driver gets pulled over and they weigh the truck and its no longer within the legal limit is the driver innocent of having a unsafe load?
So what you are saying is that either the refs are in on it (why would they then investigate the balls later, if that was the case?), or they altered the balls themselves out in the open somehow with some magic tool that would allow them to deflate the balls to exactly the perfect PSI for Tom Brady.
Or maybe, just maybe, the temperature had an effect and it's really just that simple. It's not cheating if the team didn't deliberately do anything.
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Wow you are stretching now.
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Wow you are stretching now.
The initial report was 11/12 were 2 PSI under. Now only 1 was 2 PSI under.
You're being intellectually dishonest. Still waiting on a reply to my questions, too.