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So What Does Everyone Think About Deflate-Gate?

25,141 707 January 22, 2015 at 12:50 PM in Sporting Goods
The title says it. What does everyone think about this bizarre "Deflate-Gate" deal that is far more interesting that this year's Super Bowl? Belichick reaffirmed that he knew nothing at all about the football preparation and denied having anything to do with it.

Tom Brady is supposed to be talking publicly very soon and may be admitting to arranging to have the footballs prepped to the way he likes them.

So, is this a big deal? Is this something that happens with pretty much every team and it has just become public?

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01-26-2015 at 06:46 PM.
01-26-2015 at 06:46 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
You say a lot of things that are supposedly happening but you never provide and links to back it up. Maybe people would take you more seriously if there was another source saying the same things that you are claiming.
OK fair enough. I thought that everyone knows where ESPN.com is but in case people are having a hard time finding it
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/sto...estigation
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01-27-2015 at 03:32 AM.
01-27-2015 at 03:32 AM.
Quote from fireballs :
Also realize that just because most of the hype leans to a primarily gains to the quarterback with deflated balls it actually helps the whole team get a grip on the balls
http://www.sharpfootballanalysis....impossible

Data analysis points to the Patriots starting to deflate balls in 2007. SMH
That dude has some shitty analysis that reeks of confirmation bias. His first analysis looked at the wrong item, and when his second analysis turns up something different from what he wanted, he comes up with excuses to eliminate the things that goes against his pre-conceived notions. He's starting out looking for a certain outcome, not just letting the chips fall where they may.

Quote from fireballs :
OK fair enough. I thought that everyone knows where ESPN.com is but in case people are having a hard time finding it
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/sto...estigation
And the first thing they say in the video is, "We have not vetted this story, but Fox Sports says..."
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01-27-2015 at 03:36 AM.
01-27-2015 at 03:36 AM.
Could the employee have fished 12 balls out of a fairly large bag, deflated each of them by two pounds, put them back into the bag, and exited the bathroom in roughly 90 seconds?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports....-bathroom/

Scratchchin

That's 8 seconds/ball for 11 balls.
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01-27-2015 at 04:00 AM.
01-27-2015 at 04:00 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
Could the employee have fished 12 balls out of a fairly large bag, deflated each of them by two pounds, put them back into the bag, and exited the bathroom in roughly 90 seconds?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports....-bathroom/

Scratchchin

That's 8 seconds/ball for 11 balls.
Do you think it's physically impossible?

I would think it depends on how much practice he had.
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01-27-2015 at 04:12 AM.
01-27-2015 at 04:12 AM.
Quote from fireballs :
Do you think it's physically impossible?

I would think it depends on how much practice he had.
I think it's all a measure of what's more likely. You're bringing up scenarios that aren't very probable, while completely discounting the one scenario that is backed by science.
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01-27-2015 at 04:22 AM.
01-27-2015 at 04:22 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
I think it's all a measure of what's more likely. You're bringing up scenarios that aren't very probable, while completely discounting the one scenario that is backed by science.
Do you believe all the balls were 2lbs low?
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01-27-2015 at 04:36 AM.
01-27-2015 at 04:36 AM.
Quote from dalokgawd :
Ok guys so here's an update. I got schooled a little bit on how pressure gauges work and had to adjust my calculations. So I did not know that the pressure gauge measures the pressure IN EXCESS of external atmospheric pressure. So the starting pressure of the football is not actually 0.85 atm (12.5 psi), it's actually 1.85 atm (atmospheric pressure + 12.5 psi). The final pressure is 1.74 psi (atmospheric pressure + 11 psi). When I redo my calculations based on a pressure drop from 1.85 atm to 1.74 atm instead of 0.85 atm to 0.74 atm, I get a totally different conclusion. It turns out that pressure drop can be explained with a temperature change from 77oF to 50.36oF. So it turns out that the science actually corroborates Bellichick's story after all. Sorry for the mistake last night.
The temperature drop only occurred on the patriots sideline, how come the dolts foolsballs didn't deflate?
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01-27-2015 at 04:40 AM.
01-27-2015 at 04:40 AM.
Quote from fireballs :
Do you believe all the balls were 2lbs low?
I believe one was, and the rest were around the same 1lb pressure difference.
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01-27-2015 at 04:51 AM.
01-27-2015 at 04:51 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
I believe one was, and the rest were around the same 1lb pressure difference.
That's what I have been hearing as well. Kinda weird 10 balls around 1lb under, 1 ball 2lbs under and 1 ball 0lbs under.

Seems kinda weird for thermodynamics. Sounds to me like in such a hurry the attendant accidentally confused the 12th with one of the balls he already let 1lb out of.
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dalokgawd
01-27-2015 at 04:53 AM.
01-27-2015 at 04:53 AM.
Quote from Sun_Shine :
The temperature drop only occurred on the patriots sideline, how come the dolts foolsballs didn't deflate?
The patsies balls were filled up to the minimum allowable pressure, 12.5 psi. The colts balls were filled to the max allowable pressure, 13.5 psi. If the colts balls were to deflate, they wouldn't be as deflated as the patsies balls were because they started out at a higher internal pressure.
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01-27-2015 at 05:19 AM.
01-27-2015 at 05:19 AM.
Quote from fireballs :
That's what I have been hearing as well. Kinda weird 10 balls around 1lb under, 1 ball 2lbs under and 1 ball 0lbs under.

Seems kinda weird for thermodynamics. Sounds to me like in such a hurry the attendant accidentally confused the 12th with one of the balls he already let 1lb out of.
Yep, the guy with so much practice that he can perfectly deflate 10 other balls to the right amount with only 8 seconds per ball, mixed up one ball with another.

How about one ball was used more than the others, making it more exposed to the elements? And one ball was simply inflated more than the others?

That certainly makes a lot more sense than ball boy taking the balls into a bathroom, fishing through a large bag for each ball, using a needle and pressure gauge to deflate 10 balls almost exactly 1 PSI, and 1 ball 2 PSI, in all of 90 seconds (or 8 seconds/ball; 7.5 if you think he deflated 12).
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01-27-2015 at 05:23 AM.
01-27-2015 at 05:23 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
Yep, the guy with so much practice that he can perfectly deflate 10 other balls to the right amount with only 8 seconds per ball, mixed up one ball with another.

How about one ball was used more than the others, making it more exposed to the elements? And one ball was simply inflated more than the others?

That certainly makes a lot more sense than ball boy taking the balls into a bathroom, fishing through a large bag for each ball, using a needle and pressure gauge to deflate 10 balls almost exactly 1 PSI, and 1 ball 2 PSI, in all of 90 seconds (or 8 seconds/ball; 7.5 if you think he deflated 12).
He wouldn't need a pressure gauge. If all the balls are filled to the same exact psi then it would take a similar time for each ball to lose 1lb psi. If you've done it enough then you might know for example that counting to 3 one thousands with the same needle inserted takes out 1lb psi
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01-27-2015 at 05:24 AM.
01-27-2015 at 05:24 AM.
"The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside."


And he took to bags of balls in there? Tight fit...

I personally dont think he could dump a bag of balls out, deflate them a bit, and put them back in the bag in 90 seconds. If he did I am betting he didnt also wash his hands after... Filthy animal! :gross:
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01-27-2015 at 05:27 AM.
01-27-2015 at 05:27 AM.
Quote from fireballs :
He wouldn't need a pressure gauge. If all the balls are filled to the same exact psi then it would take a similar time for each ball to lose 1lb psi. If you've done it enough then you might know for example that counting to 3 one thousands with the same needle inserted takes out 1lb psi
So which situation is more far-fetched?

Ball attendant sneaks balls into bathroom, takes out the balls, uses a needle (just a needle on its own) to almost perfectly deflate the balls 1 PSI by some sort of counting algorithm and perfect needle placement (too far in, and you'll drain the air way too fast, not far enough in, and it will take forever), mistake one of the deflated balls for a properly inflated ball, packs them all back up, and is out of the bathroom in 90 seconds.

or

The ideal gas law happened, and the pressure inside the balls decreased due to a temperature decrease.

Let's see.... Scratchchin

I'm betting you're not familiar with occam's razor.
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01-27-2015 at 05:43 AM.
01-27-2015 at 05:43 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
Could the employee have fished 12 balls out of a fairly large bag, deflated each of them by two pounds, put them back into the bag, and exited the bathroom in roughly 90 seconds?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports....-bathroom/

Scratchchin

That's 8 seconds/ball for 11 balls.
Shouldn't be a problem. Assuming the attendant has been with the team for quite a while he probably has done this every week for a long time. Knowing the balls are always inflated to the same amount he could get it close without using a gauge just knowing how long to stick the needle in each one.

The 12th ball is also easily explained. They leave one of them inflated more in case Brady gets hurt and the backup has to come in. They used to lower the pressure in all 12 but the backup finally spoke up and said he was tired of handling Brady's softened balls.
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