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So What Does Everyone Think About Deflate-Gate?

25,141 707 January 22, 2015 at 12:50 PM in Sporting Goods
The title says it. What does everyone think about this bizarre "Deflate-Gate" deal that is far more interesting that this year's Super Bowl? Belichick reaffirmed that he knew nothing at all about the football preparation and denied having anything to do with it.

Tom Brady is supposed to be talking publicly very soon and may be admitting to arranging to have the footballs prepped to the way he likes them.

So, is this a big deal? Is this something that happens with pretty much every team and it has just become public?

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01-27-2015 at 10:25 PM.
01-27-2015 at 10:25 PM.
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So you just refrain from "jumping to conclusions" when the conclusion doesn't support the outcome you desire?
No it has nothing to do with the outcome I desire. My family comes from Boston. Before Spygate they were warned because other teams had already complained with suspicions of cheating but then they were caught cheating. Brady has publicly stated he likes under inflated balls. The league not only started a investigation but didn't immediately clear the patriots.

Those are just a few things that popped into my head the first few days. Then over the next few days there were so many more reasons to believe it was deliberate.
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01-28-2015 at 05:13 AM.
01-28-2015 at 05:13 AM.
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Yeah 10 balls right around 1 psi low supposedly 1 2 psi and 1 0 psi. To me that just shows when you only have 90 seconds you can miss 1 ball and take air out of another ball twice by mistake.
Dammit, as much as I don't want to, I find myself liking this one. Simple, logical, and the math works. laugh out loud
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01-28-2015 at 09:25 AM.
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01-28-2015 at 09:54 AM.
01-28-2015 at 09:54 AM.
laugh out loud

What a crock of shit.

He didn't even deflate them for the full 2.2 seconds required, and he missed two balls. (The one in the very front, and the one that's on top, in the bag's handle for most of it)

And he still came in at 77 seconds. So, you do the math...

Edit: Also note they never actually checked the pressure of the balls after.
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01-28-2015 at 10:00 AM.
01-28-2015 at 10:00 AM.
Just to muddy the water some more:
98.5 The Sports Hub's "Toucher and Rich Show" reports that the Patriots turned in their game balls slightly under-inflated and an official — presumably head referee Walt Anderson — signed off on them. The show's source indicated that a pressure gauge was not used.

Of course, this report directly conflicts others that we have already shared with you. Ben Volin of the Boston Globe was told that all 48 of the footballs — 12 game balls for each team and 12 backup balls — were tested with a pressure gauge and approved.

Unless the NFL can provide documentation proving that an official stuck a needle inside of each ball and measure the PSI, the league will have a problem on its hands. As we mentioned before, the NFL could be trying to cover for its officials and prove they were not negligent before an important playoff game.
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01-28-2015 at 10:35 AM.
01-28-2015 at 10:35 AM.
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laugh out loud

What a crock of shit.

He didn't even deflate them for the full 2.2 seconds required, and he missed two balls. (The one in the very front, and the one that's on top, in the bag's handle for most of it)

And he still came in at 77 seconds. So, you do the math...

Edit: Also note they never actually checked the pressure of the balls after.
Looks like he did it 12 times to me. Maybe you should try watching it again but this time take off your shoes and socks to help you out with the counting part. I assume your deficiency in that area also led you to the conclusion that it took him 77 seconds. Subtraction must be pretty tricky if counting to 12 is a daunting challenge for you.
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01-28-2015 at 10:38 AM.
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Looks like he did it 12 times to me. Maybe you should try watching it again but this time take off your shoes and socks to help you out with the counting part. I assume your deficiency in that area also led you to the conclusion that it took him 77 seconds. Subtraction must be pretty tricky if counting to 12 is a daunting challenge for you.
Oh boy.

He did it 12 times, but missed two balls. Watch again. I will take a screenshot for you and point to the balls he missed if that's what it really takes.

Furthermore, if you had simply read the article instead of just watching the pretty video, you would see:
My personal DeflateGate took just 40 seconds. Add in a few bobbles and the time it took to get in and out of the bathroom stall, and the entire affair took me just 77 seconds — well under the 90-second deadline.
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01-28-2015 at 10:41 AM.
01-28-2015 at 10:41 AM.
****** for each N E Patriots victory since belichick and brady been playing
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01-28-2015 at 10:46 AM.
01-28-2015 at 10:46 AM.
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Oh boy.

He did it 12 times, but missed two balls. Watch again. I will take a screenshot for you and point to the balls he missed if that's what it really takes.
Irrelevant. He did it 12 times, whether he did the same ball twice doesn't matter. It illustrates that it doesn't really take very long to let 2 psi out of each ball.


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Furthermore, if you had simply read the article instead of just watching the pretty video, you would see:
My personal DeflateGate took just 40 seconds. Add in a few bobbles and the time it took to get in and out of the bathroom stall, and the entire affair took me just 77 seconds — well under the 90-second deadline.
So you agree that the 77 seconds being referenced is NOT directly from the video and thus the two "missed" balls are irrelevant? Because you asked me to "do the math" and so I ask you, what math is there to be done? This is a guy who did it once mind you, for the purposes of a news piece, not someone with experience who had done it several times before.
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01-28-2015 at 10:55 AM.
01-28-2015 at 10:55 AM.
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Irrelevant. He did it 12 times, whether he did the same ball twice doesn't matter. It illustrates that it doesn't really take very long to let 2 psi out of each ball.
It illustrates that it's very sloppy and not very uniform when done in a rush like that. Are you so biased you can't see it? He didn't take the requisite amount out of each ball, and he missed two of them. Then, they didn't even verify the pressures in any sort of transparent setting to show that it was even reliable. Likely because of the points I mentioned.

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So you agree that the 77 seconds being referenced is NOT directly from the video and thus the two "missed" balls are irrelevant?
No, I don't. The two missed balls and lack of time with each ball is very relevant, no matter how much you wish it to not be. So you now agree it took him 77 seconds, and retract your previous silly statements?

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Because you asked me to "do the math" and so I ask you, what math is there to be done?
I wasn't asking you specifically. It was a general comment. And have you never heard the idiom "Do the math" before?

http://dictionary.reference.com/b...o+the+math

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This is a guy who did it once mind you, for the purposes of a news piece, not someone with experience who had done it several times before.
This is all speculation on your part.
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01-28-2015 at 11:01 AM.
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Furthermore, the actual ball-keeper was in a single-person bathroom, so probably smaller. And had 24 balls with him, not just a bag of 12.
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01-28-2015 at 11:13 AM.
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It illustrates that it's very sloppy and not very uniform when done in a rush like that. Are you so biased you can't see it?
Oh the sweet delicious irony. Your logic is asinine on the "missed" balls but far be it from me to waste anymore time on it.

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I wasn't asking you specifically. It was a general comment. And have you never heard the idiom "Do the math" before?

http://dictionary.reference.com/b...o+the+math


This is all speculation on your part.
laugh out loud Right, just a general comment. Sure thing. I'm sure everyone believes you. hug
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01-28-2015 at 11:15 AM.
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Oh the sweet delicious irony.

laugh out loud Right, just a general comment. Sure thing. I'm sure everyone believe you. hug
And I'll take that as you can't actually rebut anything I've said.

Secret You're also the one confused about what math to do when it's an idiom. Clearly I'm not the one with communication issues.

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01-28-2015 at 12:55 PM.
01-28-2015 at 12:55 PM.
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Oh boy.

He did it 12 times, but missed two balls. Watch again. I will take a screenshot for you and point to the balls he missed if that's what it really takes.

Furthermore, if you had simply read the article instead of just watching the pretty video, you would see:
My personal DeflateGate took just 40 seconds. Add in a few bobbles and the time it took to get in and out of the bathroom stall, and the entire affair took me just 77 seconds — well under the 90-second deadline.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
It illustrates that it's very sloppy and not very uniform when done in a rush like that. Are you so biased you can't see it? He didn't take the requisite amount out of each ball, and he missed two of them. Then, they didn't even verify the pressures in any sort of transparent setting to show that it was even reliable. Likely because of the points I mentioned.


No, I don't. The two missed balls and lack of time with each ball is very relevant, no matter how much you wish it to not be. So you now agree it took him 77 seconds, and retract your previous silly statements?


I wasn't asking you specifically. It was a general comment. And have you never heard the idiom "Do the math" before?

http://dictionary.reference.com/b...o+the+math


This is all speculation on your part.
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Furthermore, the actual ball-keeper was in a single-person bathroom, so probably smaller. And had 24 balls with him, not just a bag of 12.
Paint makes a pretty good argument that the attendant could have indeed deflated all of the footballs in the 90 seconds he was in the bathroom. The guy in the video did the deflation 12 times. The fact that he missed two balls and did two of them twice actually supports why one of the game balls was two pounds low, one was fully inflated, and the rest were one pound low. In the rush the experimenter missed two footballs. In the rush the attendant missed one. Plausible.

As far as the single person bathroom--the experiment was done in a single stall. Pretty good chance that a full bathroom with a sink and maybe both a toilet and a urinal would be larger than a single stall with just a toilet, even allowing that the stall appeared to be a larger handicapped stall.

The attendant would have had 24 balls with him but I'm sure they wouldn't be all mixed together in one bag. So while taking up a little more space I wouldn't think it would be much of a hindrance. Just toss the other bag off to the side and get to the deflation.

The 77 seconds falls well under the 90 seconds the attendant was in the bathroom. For the experiment they had determined that it took 2.2 seconds to deflate the football by 2psi. So the guy deflating the football is estimating that time when he is deflating each football. Granted, that is a pretty difficult task.

However, there is a huge margin of error built in to the experiment already. As we have already heard the actual footballs from the game were deflated only 1psi, with one apparently not deflated at all and one deflated 2psi, as previously discussed. So, if it takes 2.2 seconds to deflate the football 2psi, it is reasonable that it likely takes about 1.1 seconds to deflate the football 1psi. At least that should be close enough for this experiment. So the guy in the video was shooting for 2.2 seconds. Even if in reality he only held the pin in each ball for around half of his desired time, it should have been long enough to let out 1psi.

It would have been nicer if they had shown the actual pressure in the footballs after the test, but you really can't shoot down the results just because you don't like the argument. It isn't conclusive, but I think the experiment indeed shows it would be possible for the attendant to deflate all twelve balls in 90 seconds.

Myth not yet busted.
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