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These are the steps on how to be a good server in a restaurant:

1. Try to greet your table within 3-5 minutes. Try not to end up taking 8-10 minutes to greet a table, because that's when customers start to get irritated. If you do take longer than 5 minutes, do apologize.

2. Make sure customers have utensils. I can't count the times I've either had to get up to get my own utensils or had to asks my server for some. I've also have seen other customers and even my husband was brought food(which I didn't order any food that time) without any utensils.

3. Bring extra napkins always. MOST people, especially kids or if a person orders messy foods such as ribs, will more than likely need extra napkins.

4. Do ANY up selling BEFORE the customer orders, NOT AFTER the customer just placed their order. A couple of times I ordered a specific margarita they had on the menus at 2 different restaurants and those servers decided to try to sell me a different margarita AFTER I told them already what I actually wanted. That not only wasted their time, but irritated me.

5. Never bring ANY FOOD OR DRINKS to the table without knowing if the customer wants it, even if it's just water. Also, the server should ask if the customer wants lemon with their water. Some people may not want a slice of lemon. The server should ask or let the customer ask if they want a refill or anything for that matter. Some people like automatic refills, but I feel that a server can waste time at times getting things that the server isn't 100% sure that the customer actually wants a refill. I've declined refills before at times as well as changed the soft drinks I have ordered even. I am glad when servers ASK me instead of bringing something to the table that I didnt order. I don't care if it's free bread or chips & salsa, NOTHING should be ordered for the customer and that even includes a glass of water. The customer is the person that is ordering, NOT the server.

6. Bring drinks that aren't from the bar out first if there are any. For instance, if a customer at the table orders a drink from the bar and everyone else at the table orders soft drinks or tea or water, don't make everyone at the table suffer by waiting until the drink from the bar is ready.

7. When customers are placing their order, WRITE their order down. Write down EVERY detail and repeat the order to the customer. Make sure you understand every detail like if they said "no tomatoes" and you may have thought they said "only tomatoes." I've had 2 times that 2 different servers at 2 different restaurants assumed I wanted bbq sauce "ON THE SIDE" meaning that I didn't want bbq sauce on my ribs I ordered, when I actually wanted "2 SIDES" of extra bbq sauce. So when taking a customer's order, MAKE DARN SURE that you get EXACTLY what they said. I NEVER said "on the side", but they ASSUMED that, even though one of those times I remember I said "2 sides of "EXTRA" bbq sauce." I also NEVER said I wanted the ribs dry either. They just ASSUMED that. When in doubt, ASK or ASK them to repeat their order.

8. Don't EVER come back to the table after you have left to ask the customer to repeat their order! That's an interruption that's truly not necessary. Now if they are out of something or there's a problem with what someone ordered, that's completely different. I am talking about servers who don't write down orders or servers who didn't fully write down the order or get the entire order written correctly the FIRST TIME AROUND as they should have. For instance, I ordered a margarita with salt one time and the waiter came back to my table to ask if I wanted salt. He should have gotten it correct the FIRST time around. I also had a waitress one time ask "Did you say mudslide or a white russian?" I ordered a white russian, not a mudslide. My point is, points off the tip when I have to be interrupted for a server not getting all the details right the FIRST TIME AROUND. I understand if I have to repeat my order while they are initially taking my order, but to come to ask me AFTER they have already left the table is just not good service. As I said before, if they are out of something or there's no way to make a certain thing the way the customer wants it, that's understandable to have to come back to the table, but don't just come back to the table because you didn't get the ALL the details the first time around.

9. Know the menu. If I ask what comes in a side salad because of the fact that usually for some reason, a lot of menus don't list what comes in, don't tell me you don't know or need to ask someone UNLESS it is like your first day or something.

10. NEVER "ASSUME" ANYTHING, EVER! For example: My husband and I ordered 2 appetizers as well as 2 entrees at a restaurant. I didn't want what he wanted and he didn't want what I wanted, so that's why we ordered 2. We figured we could take the food home if we had too much. The waiter ASSUMED I wanted the appetizer with my meal. For starters, I NEVER ONCE said that. Also, I should assume that since the menu states it's an appetizer, that I would get it as an appetizer unless I state otherwise. We were waiting quite a while when the waiter came around and we asked where my chili cheese fries were. Our waiter replied "I thought you wanted it with your meal." I told him "I never said that." I was SOME PISSED that he "ASSUMED" we were going to "share" the first appetizer. Anyway, I received it 2 minutes literally before our entrees came out.

11. If someone wants a 2 for 1 drink "ONE at a time" respect that and only bring out one at a time. Also, ASK if the customer would like the drinks one at a time, which you might be surpised they MIGHT just want it one at a time due to ice making the drink watered down or maybe they might not want the second one.

12. Immediately put the order into the computer RIGHT AFTER you take the order unless there are food or drink orders that were ordered before the customers that you just got the order from that are ready, then obviously, bring those customers their food and/or drinks they ordered first, then put the order into the computer.

13. Servers should bring ALL condiments BEFORE the food is arrived. There is NEVER a reason to trust another server that ends up bringing out the food. If you want a good tip, make sure what that the things that are truly IN YOUR CONTROL will be correct at the very least. I have had 5 servers VOLUNTEER(meaning I didn't ask them to do that) to bring my condiments BEFORE my meal arrived whether or not they actually took my food to me. If someone orders a side of ranch, there's NO REAL REASON to wait all the way until the food is ready to bring it out which is usually around 25mins or so, when ranch doesn't need ANY cooking. Same thing with other condiments like mayo or mustard.

14. Make sure you are bringing enough of what the customer has asked for. My husband asked for ketchup and the waitress brought out an almost empty bottle, not enough for him to even get much out. Also, if someone asks for a "SIDE" of something, bring a "FULL" side, NOT "a HALF side." It's ridiculous that now I am having to tell my server, "Fill it all the way." I think that's just ridiculous. If I ask for a "side", I want a FULL SIDE. Especially if I asks for 2 sides of mayo, don't bring me 2 "half-sides" of mayo, because then it's like only having ONE side of mayo, so then you have to make another trip to get another side of mayo as I specifically ordered it. It's not like the server can't SEE that it's not full. Bring customers enough condiments so you WON'T have to make extra trips. Do you honestly care about the pennies it cost the restaurant to maybe give too much or do you care about your tips? I think a customer would rather have more than enough, than not enough, wouldn't you?

15. When the food is ready, if the same server takes the food to the customer that took the order, that server should be comparing the plate of food with the written order to see obvious mistakes such as a wrong side dish, a wrong entree, missing things, or anything that's obvious like a grilled chicken dish that's supposed to have swiss cheese(yellow) has bright orange cheddar cheese.

16. Make sure when you bring out someone's food that the item has the condiments that are listed on the menu unless told by the customer that they didn't want the condiments that come with the meal. I have had servers assume just because I ordered a side of ranch, I didn't want the marinara as well with cheese sticks. I don't get that, because they didn't even consider that since usually appetizers are shared, that just maybe the other person at the table might like the sauce that COMES with the item and the other person wants the other sauce. We both happen to like both sauces and dip them in both.

Also, I've had times when the condiments that were supposed to come with the food according to the MENU, weren't on the plate, meaning the server didn't verify the food they were taking to me with the menu. Like at Denny's, my husband ordered cheese fries as his appetizer and the ranch that was listed it came with and even had a picture of it, wasn't on the plate from our server when it arrived. I feel, how STUPID is it not to even realize something is MISSING and still take it to the customer like that considering they have it in a PICTURE as well as listed in the menu description. I feel if you don't know the menu, at least take a menu and verify the food BEFORE taking it to the customer.

17. If you run someone else's food and get a request for something such as a refill, please tell their server or even go get the refill. I have had some good and bad luck when I've done this. If my server is not around and if I want a refill, I will ask whomever comes to the table, considering they ARE a "SOME PART" of MY service. Sometimes those other servers worked as a TEAM by actually getting the refill for me, one time a server lied to me, and another one said something about that my server will get it, which she DIDN'T relay the message. The point of this one, WORK AS A TEAM, because it will come back to you. If you help out this other customer's table you don't have, but then another server helps you out with a customer's table you DO have, it truly all works out. No one seems to want to work as a team anymore these days. The people that do, are hard to find.

Also if there is a mistake that can be caught by this other server such as a missing item or wrong food, this other server should be the one to fix the situation to make it right, NOT make the customer wait longer to get our server to fix it. I don't get why MY server usually is the one that gets the forgotten condiments when another server brings out my food without the condiments I ordered. I feel WHY have another server run the food if they aren't going to verify the ticket with the plate of food? It's useless to have a food runner system if the other server doesn't verify what they are taking to the table is correct even. I am ONLY talking about things that are obvious that are wrong. Sure my server could be at fault for not putting in the order correctly to begin with, but I am willing to bet more than likely, it's the other server that's too lazy to read the ticket.

18. Check back with your customers once ANY food has arrived if someone else ran your food, because they may have a mistake that was not noticed at the time the food was ran, so no one was told about the mistake. It's important to check back with your customers to make sure the customers are happy with their food. It's not just mistakes that could be a problem, it could also be the food is cold or some type of other problem. If you don't check back with your customers, you won't know if something is wrong or not. Also, ask if they need anything. They might need something they didn't think of such as A-1 steak sauce or a refill.

19. If a mistake is made of any kind, apologize. I can't count HOW MANY TIMES I NEVER get an apology. I am not mean, I just tell them "I ordered such-n-such." At the VERY LEAST, say you are sorry. It's the RIGHT THING to do. It may even boost your tip such as when I have had apologies, that I tipped higher all because they were NICE about it.

20. If a mistake is made that's major such as a wrong entree or an overcharge, have the decency to TELL YOUR MANAGER! I can't count the times I didn't get a visit from a manager when MAJOR mess ups have happened. Also, if it's YOU who made the mess up, YOU try to make-up for it by asking the manager if he or she could comp something. Also, a major mess up should come with a PROFUSE apology such as "I am SO sorry." Not just a lousy "sorry" when the mistake is huge.

21. If you are server running someone else's food and there's a mistake of some sort, APOLOGIZE, even if it's might not be "YOUR" fault. Customers do usually want to hear an apology when something goes wrong. It IS the NICE thing to do.

22. If you ask the customer if they want something and they say "NO", DO NOT try to change their mind. I can't tell you how aggravating it is to have to almost argue with the server to get them to understand I don't want a dessert this time or whatever it is. If they say "NO", they MEAN IT!

23. Make sure there are NO overcharges or undercharges on the check and that it is indeed THAT customer's check. I have had prices that didn't match the menu. I have also had a server charge me for a salad without an entree, even though I got an entree. So make sure you press the correct button. My husband and I have had our credit cards rung up on the wrong table. We have been given the wrong check before. We have had extra items as well as missing items on the check. I also had substituted a cheddar cheese on a sandwich that came with swiss cheese, but was charged extra as if I was adding cheese to the sandwich. That time I also didn't get charged for a margarita that was almost $7. So not only did I have an overcharge, but also an undercharge in the same check. That just shows how some servers don't look over their work.

24. NEVER, EVER, bring the check without either being asked or asking. I have ordered a mixed drink AFTER a dessert at times. I truly HATE when servers bring the check along with the dessert as if they can read my mind or something. It's NOT their call to make if I am ready for the check or not, it's MINE. You NEVER KNOW, maybe the customer wants to order something else. I just had a waitress last night bring us the check just because we asked for boxes. She didn't even offer us dessert, which I actually wanted to order another mixed drink, but at the time I asked for the boxes, I still was drinking my margarita I had ordered beforehand, so I wasn't quite ready for the next drink yet, nor did I even decide what drink I wanted.

25. Do things in the order of it being requested. If I just asked for the check, get the check unless someone's food or drink is ready that had ordered BEFORE I did. Don't go to 2 other customer's tables to find out if they need anything. That's just RUDE! People usually want to leave when they ask for the check, so be CONSIDERATE not to WASTE ANY of their time by getting the check as soon as possible unless someone's food or drink is ready that had asked for their stuff BEFORE I did.

26. Ring up the check within a 3 minute range at the MOST. Don't make the customers wait 5 minutes or more to be able to leave.

27. Give ALL change back, even if it's just a penny unless the customer TELLS you to keep the change. NEVER just not return someone's change or ask if they want change. Always give back change unless the customer tells you to keep the change, because they haven't tipped you yet. One waiter one time kept 31 cents change and only gave me back a 5 dollar bill from a check that was $34.69 that I paid with (2) 20 dollar gift certificates . I found that to be presumptuous of him. It WASN'T "HIS" money YET, it was my money. Instead of $4.50 we were going to leave, because his service wasn't so great, he got stiffed all because he STOLE from us. He had NO RIGHTS to that money yet.
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Shouldn't MY MAN expect the same service in a restaurant as he gets at home? When I bring him SANDWICHES from the kitchen, shouldn't a COLD BEER be automaticallly provided and NOT requested? I believe OTs are an OBLIGATION at the completion of every meal AND I never spit!
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Wow, she's a loony tune.

Springs1, what city do you live in? I want to be in the restaurant that you go to so I can tell the server that if they do a crappy job I'll tip them really well just to see you lose it. laugh out loud

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Wow, she's a loony tune.

Springs1, what city do you live in? I want to be in the restaurant that you go to so I can tell the server that if they do a crappy job I'll tip them really well just to see you lose it. laugh out loud

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I think we should go easy on the OP, I found a picture of her online, she's one tough little cookie. http://www.designbydani.com/blog/...pring1.jpg
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04-21-2008 at 08:02 PM.
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Quote from SlicKitty :
Agree, however, if you've ever been a server, you might find out that servers don't always set the table.
WHO CARES WTF SETS THE TABLE? When a server GREETS a table, they can *****SEE****** if any utensils are on the table. It's called BEING OBSERVANT. Whoever sets the table has NOTHING to do with your server. Your server is supposed to get what the customer needs. They need utensils and a napkin.

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Again, is it that big a deal to ask? You were taught manners, weren't you? Just ask. No big.
I ask, but sometimes I don't think about it until my hands have bbq sauce or mayo on them or whatever is messing that I am eating. It's nice when you don't have to ask for something that you don't consume or order. Napkins and utensils should be common sense that the customer needs to have a good dining experience. I also have gotten to get my own before. Sometimes it's just easier and faster to get up to get your own.

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I take mental stock as to whether or not my server brings water immediately,
You want a MIND READER for a server. MOST servers don't just bring out water. Do you honestly think they want to get water for nothing so the person doesn't drink one sip or even want it? You need to VERBALLY COMMUNICATE with your sever you want water. Did you ever think about ORDERING WATER? WHAT A CONCEPT, HUH?

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Hope your server doesn't have anyone else to serve, besides Queen Springs, here. Sure, if it can be done, this is optimal.
You act like your server isn't supposed to think of YOUR TIME. All the server's table should be served like that. Think about it another way. The more faster you get those drinks, the more faster you may be able to put in an appetizer order or even entr orders as well. Think, MORE CUSTOMERS, MORE TIPS the faster you try to get their service started. The longer you wait to come to get my food orders, the longer I wait for my food. The longer you make me wait to have something to drink such as water or coke with free chips & salsa, the more likely I am to tip you less. So think about getting soft drinks, tea, lemonade, water, coffee, as quickly as you can to the table. If the customers aren't ready to order, then come back later, but they might have an appetizer order ready for you to take as well as questions about entrs during that time you came to bring the soft drinks for instance.

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By this point, your sever probably didn't care what you wanted. I wouldn't have. I'm sure that your server had already written off your tip and decided to focus on the tables where a tip was more likely to be hefty. Servers work for tips. If you're a jerk, and they're confident that your tip is going to be non-existent, or pathetic, why bother with you?
I don't get WHY you are saying this? All we did was order 2 appetizers. When I asked where the appetizer was that I had ordered, the waiter said "I thought you wanted it with your meal." I just told him "I never said that." The thing is, he ASSUMED we were sharing it instead of what the MENU CLAIMS the ITEM IS. If the item is called an appetizer, it should be served as an appetizer UNLESS the customer states otherwise. I wasn't a jerk, HE WAS for acting like he knew what he was talking about. I didnt do anything to the waiter. I just knew mine was taking a while. My husband had ordered his appetizer and entr order first. Then I ordered my appetizer and entr second. HOW would I have known to think to say "I would like the appetizer as an appetizer" considering the menu states it's one?

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Other servers "runners" are expected to bring food for you. That's the rule of the establishment, and the way that servers are trained. typically, a runner brings out my food, which means I don't get my Tabasco. No big. I ask the runner for it. I get my Tabasco. So what? Maybe I'm not uptight about it, because I understand restaurants. Maybe everyone who eats in a restaurant should have to take a course.
Who is making the tip here? Who has to tip out of SALES, NOT out the tip here? Who is in charge of making their own destiny when it comes to giving service without mistakes within the server's control? MY SERVER IS, NOT THAT RUNNER. WHY did I bother to ask for it if the other person is not going to bring it out EXACTLY as I SPECIFICALLY ORDERED? Therefore, since the other server normally doesn't do their job correctly by verifying the ticket(as long as it's put in correctly of course), that is EXACTLY WHY my server should get it BEFOREHAND and NOT AFTERWARDS. 9 times out of 10 MY SERVER brings the missing condiments, NOT THE RUNNER. I have had very few runners bring my condiments when I told them what I had ordered. I have even had a runner at Chili's that didn't get what I had asked for again. All I did was say "I ordered a side of ranch and bbq sauce." If the server brings it out afterwards a lot of the times due to the other server not verifying the plate, then WHY NOT BEFOREHAND? At least VOLUNTEER to OFFER to bring it ahead of time. At least that won't be a mistake for sure since you would have prevented it from being one all by yourself instead of depending on someone that isn't getting tipped from that customer that won't care.

Maybe you should take a course on how to PREVENT MISTAKES IN RESTAURANTS, because obviously if it's brought ahead of time, it won't be forgotten or wrong, because if it is wrong, the situation can get fixed BEFORE the food arrives if it's brought early enough and not like 2 minutes before the food comes out.

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IS there enough for you?
Sometimes no, that is why I have having to ask them to fill the container all the way up. That's so ridiculous I should have to ask such a thing, because if I order a "SIDE", that should be the ENTIRE CONTAINER WORTH,NOTHING LESS, NOTHING MORE.

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Your server didn't lie to you. She forgot.
If she would have done it right AFTER she put the order into the computer, she probably wouldnt have.


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Were you nice? Doesn't sound like it. Was there any hope of a tip? Doesn't sound like it. Why should the server be nice, then? Just because it's her/his job?
All I do is repeat what I ordered, that's it. I have even said thank you when I didn't get a sorry. I think that was mean that they didn't say they were sorry even though I was nice enough to say thank you when they messed up. There would be hope for a BETTER tip if the situation is handled NICER than uncaring. If you don't say you are sorry for forgetting whatever, then why how can I forgive that mistake any or possibly all the way? The server should be nice first considering they messed up, which made you not happy.

It's not his or her job, it's just common courtesy.

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Again, it sounds like you'd been awfully difficult by this point. I wouldn't have much to say to you, either. In fact, I'd just hope you didn't return to my establishment.
If a server messed up by let's say getting my entr completely wrong, how is that being awful? That's up to THEM to make up for their mistake by asking a manager to comp something for my inconvenience.

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Wrong! You're not the only pig at the trough! Everyone needs to be served. Not just you and your family. Wow. How rude of you!
NO, YOU ARE WRONG! NOBODY should let one customer cut in front of someone else. THAT IS WHAT IS RUDE. I hope someone CUTS in front of YOUR TURN and see how it really feels. What does this have to do with everyone being served? If some other table just asked for a couple of refills, you shouldnt be coming to my table. You should be fulfilling their request for their refills. That was THEIR TURN. I will WAIT FOR MY TURN. When it is my turn though, don't act like it's not unless there is some kind of mistake or problem or someone's food or drink from the bar is ready that placed their order BEFORE I did.

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Now here, we agree up to the point where you stiffed the server.
Why? He was TOO LAZY to go to the bar to get our coin change. It's the PRINCIPLE of it. The fact that it was OUR CHANGE STILL. The tip is when the customer has told the server to keep the change or when they have left the restaurant. Someone's change is someone's change. No if's and's or but's about it. He stole, I stole. That's how it goes. It was intentional, because he didn't want to go get change from the bar. This wasn't an accident. If it wasn't done on purpose, then that's a bit different. Intentionally keeping even a penny of someone's change without their permission is stealing and it's very wrong.

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If you want great service, be a great table, and leave a great tip.
I DO. I leave 25%-30% for really good service, because I am a picky customer with lots of things on the side, so that's extra work, which should equal extra pay. However, if my server doesn't care about getting my order correct, my dining experience as a whole, or my check being correct, then WHY should they receive a good tip? A tip is ****EARNED****, NOT A RIGHT!
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04-21-2008 at 08:03 PM.
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Dear Springs1,

Nobody is reading your ridiculously long dissertations anymore.

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04-21-2008 at 08:07 PM.
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This thread is way too long for me to read. I can't even read half of the OP. But OP (not attacking you) but if you having such a hard time eating out maybe you should start cooking. It would be better for your health. You would be eating healthy and your blood pressure wont be shooting up all the time from being so angry.
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I have been unable to sleep since reading this.

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Hey Springs1. I thought the menu was GOD.

So HOW can you ORDER WATER?

It's NOT on the MENU.

Hmm?
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Quote from EvilLitoGurl :
This thread is way too long for me to read. I can't even read half of the OP. But OP (not attacking you) but if you having such a hard time eating out maybe you should start cooking. It would be better for your health. You would be eating healthy and your blood pressure wont be shooting up all the time from being so angry.
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Hey Springs1. I thought the menu was GOD.

So HOW can you ORDER WATER?

It's NOT on the MENU.

Hmm?
Neither is that side of ranch. I'm just saying... Whistling
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Wow, she's a loony tune.

Springs1, what city do you live in? I want to be in the restaurant that you go to so I can tell the server that if they do a crappy job I'll tip them really well just to see you lose it. laugh out loud

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04-21-2008 at 08:13 PM.
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Rock on, OP. Know that at least 1 in 100 support your endeavor to receive the service you so richly deserve.
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