Star Wars The Force Awakens. SPOILERS.

Kids love all kinds of crappy movies, just because you see and enjoy kids reactions doesn't mean you can't as an adult critique a movie in much more detail. Also lots of people pull apart those other movies you mentioned.

As you age and mature you look at all the arts (art, books, movies, etc) more critically and they teach you it in schools to look for deeper meanings, for more context and better understanding. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy simple things or take something at face value, but when things don't make sense to you or you paid good money for a good story and it's not all there, then of course you discuss it and start asking questions.

So we're awfully glad you enjoyed the movie, most of us also saw the fun in it but it certainly didn't fulfill us and on a discussion forum...um....we're happening to discuss it.

Sure....and as part of the discussion, ppl are allowed to disagree and point out why they disagree.

And, I'm just saying that it was still an enjoyable film. I feel the arguments why ppl didn't the film was irrational because they didn't understand they point of the film makers. I think the retort that dalokgawd linked states it clearly and on point.

It's like knowing beforehand that Indian food is spicy, going to dine at an Indian joint, and then complaining that it's too spicy and writing a bad review on Yelp about it. We're talking about a sci-fi, fantasy film and ppl are complaining about how some aspects of the film are not possible! LOL.....like jedis, the force, etc are real!?!?! Like how Rey can beat Kylo Ren without much jedi training, why Finn knows X or Y when he's a "janitor" (assuming that First Order stormtroopers who actually fight in battles who say they were in "sanitation" are listed as "janitors", right?), why Han Solo wants to save his son who turned to the dark side?

If you just said you didn't enjoy the film because it wasn't your thing, that's your opinion and I respect that. No point in trying to convince anyone that they should like it. However, if you point out things that you think are irrational, non-sensical, or "plot holes" that may have been made that way for a purpose, it's part of debate and normal conversation to respond to those comments. Right?

I'm just going to leave this right here...

https://www.facebook.com/notes/ma...3095086277

I have never read a more retched pile of profanity.

I get what you're saying but I also understand "nerd culture" to an extent. These kind of films/stories are worlds that people really get into. People have conventions over them and role playing games and LARPing and really intricate social interactions over. When it's a make believe world though, there still need to be rules and laws that govern the system so that it makes it more believable. Yes, we know things are made up and not real, but if you don't stick to your outline and rules (cannon) then it's really hard to follow story lines as it expands and continue to lose yourself in the world.

This kind of thing becomes a problem when making single stories into sagas. Sure any one of a group of stories can stand on their own and just be good fun adventure and make-believe, but when you're trying to connect the stories together, you have to remember the details that make that world work. Otherwise, it's much easier to get confused and wonder why something a person can do now...someone else couldn't do previously and then you can no longer lose yourself in the story.

That's why people argue over the details. They're trying to make sense of things as it pertains to that world so that they can fully enjoy the story. Most people don't want to hate the stories...they want to love them but it's hard to love and believe in something when things don't make sense.

I guess you don't get out much then?

I think that pretty much sums it up, even for someone like me, who wasn't that into Star Wars before this new movie came along. You have a world of established 'norms', established characters, and established ethics for those characters, then suddenly they throw all of that out the window with no rationalization for ANY of it. Now had there been some amount of character development or story line development, then the movie would have been interesting, but it had none of that.

DH and I at the end of the movie. >>>

Yeppers. I liked it, but I didn't like it.

something just dawned on me.

everyone has a theory on who rey is (luke's daughter but who did he sleep with?)

what if.....

rey and ren are twins like luke and leila?

rey....ren.....get it??

it's not that far fetched since everything about this movie closely resembles the past movies.

something to ponder.

I've never read them, but apparently in the books, Han and Leia's kids are the first of the new Jedi. So my first thought was brother and sister. People seemed pretty convinced that she's Luke's daughter from something said in the movie, though. So I dunno.

something just dawned on me.

everyone has a theory on who rey is (luke's daughter but who did he sleep with?)

what if.....

rey and ren are twins like luke and leila?

rey....ren.....get it??

it's not that far fetched since everything about this movie closely resembles the past movies.

something to ponder.

wouldn't you be curious to see if they did or not?