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ABC Lost
March 30, 2005 at
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does any one else on SD watch this show. i have watched each episode and i'm hooked its a mystery going on in each episode and makes it worth wild to watch .
EDIT April 12 2007- you can watch LOST on abc.com (streaming) also but its just one day after.
http://dynamic.abc.go.
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EDIT April 12 2007- you can watch LOST on abc.com (streaming) also but its just one day after.
http://dynamic.abc.go.
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On Sunday, May 23rd, Two-Thousand and Ten, we all went down to the light and experienced something much worse than dying.
This ending of LOST.
But before I continue with this denunciation of the denouement of LOST, let me be clear: If I punch you in the face and you tell me you didn't like that, can I defend myself and say "You just don't get it, man!"
What I'm saying is, I think you can understand the ending of LOST very well and legitimately hate it.
UNREALITY USUALLY DOES FEEL UNREAL
The Island was Purgatory.
Don't misunderstand me. I believe that the survivors of Oceanic 815 DO survive the plane crash that occurs in the pilot episode. What the Island does is function as the true Purgatory. The "real" Purgatory, the one of Season Six, has no actual restorative or redemptive point, both in contrast (addressed later) and because this Purgatory, unlike The Island, doesn't exist.
That unreality is a big problem - because, in the same way that the accomplishments of your dreams feel cheap when you wake, it's hard to believe there's true redemption for a character when their actions occur in a dream world. Especially when that idea is unsupported, which I'll also address shortly.
This is why many were concerned that The Island was a mystical limbo and the Survivors didn't actually survive, because it would invalidate 6 years of watching this fantastic show. It's the dreaded "it was all a dream" ending. Instead, only half of Season Six is mystical limbo and is invalidated, because when Jack is a good father to a son that doesn't exist and Sawyer chooses Law and Order as his path to avenge his parents in a dream, that ISN'T redemption. And I think why this is, is because the show itself is not real, but we suspend that disbelief. But to create another layer of unreality, call it a "dream world" or "limbo" or "whatever", this is too much, and they cancel each other out. Especially, again, when this idea is unsupported in the show.
EVEN THE BEST IDEAS NEED TO BE LET GO OF IF THEY NO LONGER FIT
Time travel, though bizarre and often unexplained, doesn't bother me because it had been setup in the show and explored. The Island exists in a different space/time, so maybe the characters can too. Fine. But the idea of the characters creating a world for themselves in the afterlife comes out of no where - like getting a greeting card in the mail for a holiday that doesn't exist. I don't think you can spend 6 years on a TV show and in the last few minutes throw in a totally unsupported idea.
The End, in the end, fails in part because unlike "Pans Labyrinth" and "American Beauty," the idea of a mystical world created by the love these people had for each other was never supported. It's too big and vague and dreamy to just throw into the air and expect people to accept it without any legs.
The other part of it's failure is that it feels tacked on. From what I understand, the ending has been known all along, and maybe as an idea it's clever and beautiful, but I think that the show had out grown and moved on to a different ending. But instead of recognizing this, the writers who agreed with this end forced an old idea into a puzzle it no longer fit in.
WATERED DOWN WATER
If the point of the "sideways world" was to realize how important everyone was to each other, I would say that's a joke. Jin/Sun, Claire/Charlie, Kate/Jack, they all figured that out in the previous world, The Island. If the point was to let go of your past, again, that was the point of The Island. Where you could be anyone and start over. If the point was to come to be at peace with your own death, Rose invalidates it. Charlies acceptance of his fate invalidates it. They already had that peace. All that happens in the "sideways world" was the characters remembered their past time on the island, and for that, they are now ready? There were no great realizations, no new connections made. In short, it had no real function. It was just a collection of "clip show" moments, where the characters could come back together and say "Hey, I know you."
It was on The Island that Jack, Locke, Charlie, Claire, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and the rest of our beloved Survivors let go of their past. That's where they realized how important they were to each other; where they loved and KNEW they loved each other. Here is where they redeemed themselves from a pointless, empty life.
An argument being made is that it functioned as a place where Jack could finally let go. I would counter that he already let go. Jack dies on The Island with a smile, knowing he fulfilled his purpose; that he saved his friends and The Island, if not the world. What did he do in The End? He came to terms with his death when he opened up an empty casket? He already came to terms with his death. Jack knew he was dead when he made the decision to go and replace the cork. Jack already let go; by giving into his fate, to protect The Island, and by giving control of the Island over to Hurley.
This is why The End is so unbearable, because we already saw redemption. We already saw the realization of how important they all were to each other, so to see it again and in such a cheap, superficial way is heart breaking.
This second Purgatory functions only in the way that the waters in Dante's Purgatory do. The River Eunoe gives back to its imbibers their good memories. And this is the ending to LOST? A cliff notes version of something everyone - the writers, the characters, and the viewers - already knew deep in their soul? That they mattered to each other? This is The End?
AND THE WORST PART IS ..
This is the first time I've felt hate toward this show and now it's gone. This is Jack and Christian Shepard all over again, ending on a angry note, but here there won't be another episode of LOST to come around to redeem it. I won't touch the casket of Season Six and feel peace.
What this ending does is make me feel tricked. That things like the flash on the screen and the corresponding time shift for Jack, Kate, and Sawyer from the Season Five finale (indicting Jughead went off); these were nothing but coins an adult would seemingly pull from my ear when I was a kid. Being cute with editing tricks.
MY OWN PRIVATE ""END"
How did I want LOST to end?
I never cared about being told all of the answers: Where this statue came from? Why Walt was so important? They weren't things I was concerned about. What I cared for was that LOST would end in a way where I was surprised and happy. That's all (though a lot). The way I felt when Charlie died, or when I learned that Jack, when he's waiting at the edge of the airport, that that was the future and he is demanding they go BACK to the Island! Joy! Surprised! These are the feelings I wanted, or even needed, for this shows last minutes but where were they?
Instead, here we are 4 days later, and I'm still left with my hands in a confused, swearing pose. The same reaction I have to watching every other stupid TV show, and that's what was so special about LOST. It wasn't every other stupid show.
I was going to add a suggestion for how I would have ended the show, but it doesn't matter. This is how it ended. This is how it always will end: "What's done is done".
But I will say, that in my mind, I've changed a small thing about The End.
It's cosmetic, but important to me.
The meeting place is not a church, but an airport.
An airport is a better symbol of the faith they had in each other, because THAT is relevant to this show. A church is just a building in the world of LOST, and that's all it is here. A superficial symbol of the after life.
And that is what I'll leave you with ….
All of the Survivors of Oceanic 815 board the plane to be carried over to their next journey. Sitting in the same places as they did on Oceanic 815, the last scene you see is the crashed plane. And it's not a ridiculous add-in by some ABC executive, it's there on purpose. It's letting you know they have arrived at their next destination.
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In an interview with G4's "Attack of the Show," "Lost" Emmy award winner Michael Emerson revealed that there is an "epilogue, a lost scene" on the upcoming "Lost" DVD collection that was not part of the series finale this past Sunday.
Emerson hinted that it will be around 14 minutes in length, and will explain more about what happened after Jack died on the island and Hurley and Ben took over as its protectors.
We were given an idea in one of the final scenes that these two were on the island for a long period of time, in an exchange between the two characters while in purgatory, but this is the first time we've been told that we might actually see some footage of their time "in charge."
It's unclear whether this footage will be part of the sixth season DVD set, or only in the full series set.
I still haven't gotten around to watching the Kimmel version, which I know is a disappointment from what most here are saying, but I still want to at least scan through it.
I still haven't gotten around to watching the Kimmel version, which I know is a disappointment from what most here are saying, but I still want to at least scan through it.
I still haven't gotten around to watching the Kimmel version, which I know is a disappointment from what most here are saying, but I still want to at least scan through it.
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I used to love watching old episodes to find something new in them but now the desire is just gone
I used to love watching old episodes to find something new in them but now the desire is just gone
..it's like "what's the point"....they just all die anyways
I used to love watching old episodes to find something new in them but now the desire is just gone
I used to love watching old episodes to find something new in them but now the desire is just gone
I used to love watching old episodes to find something new in them but now the desire is just gone
Every character is working towards his own, and that is so much more obvious in a re-watch..
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