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This was in the news. I haven't contacted the dealer yet but it looks like $2210 pay down and $125 a month. My simple math says about $185 a month.
This excludes any dealer discounts. But may exclude some other fees. I have never leased so no clue.
Great as a third car. Note that this model didn't get very good reviews - hence it being priced accordingly.
https://www.toyota.com/midwest/de...icles=bz4x
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Toyota built this as a compliance car to fill a gap in the lineup and has zero focus on it or care. If anything, it is the 'look we built an EV, it sucks!'. The first production run had WHEELS FALLING OFF. They recalled every single one! The car is slow and just utterly wild in it's idiocy.
We test drove the badge engineered Subaru version - the Solterra. Same car, different logo.
The list of infuriating choices piled fast. Want to move the driver's seat? BEEPS. CONSTANT BEEPS.
Want to back up? It beeps on the inside and inside only. Who are they warning?! Me? I"M DRIVING THE CAR.
The performance is just bad. It has a quick little bit of torque and then falls on it's face.
Did I mention the range sucks and that the car does not support fast charging so you literally cannot roadtrip it without hour-long-stops?
All in all, it just felt like Toyota was completely uninterested in building it as it is lower margin than gas/hybrid.
Then you have the ioniq 5. Hyundai's focus is straight up on on beating the Tesla Model Y. They are serious and in it. The car is shockingly better looking in person than the BZ4X. The interior feels like tomorrow and has innovative ideas, way more range, way better software, etc.
Korea is currently having the same moment that Japan had in the 90s, Hyundai should be taken seriously, esp in the EV space.
TX offer is $4k down $219 a month plus TTL
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Still, I would much rather have the Ioniq 6 over this garbage EV.
Drove an EV an 2013/14/15. Ran out once. Car company offered free tows - not a long wait thankfully - parked it in my driveway.
What is funny is people act like there are more gas stations around than electrical outlets.
True, there are electrical outlets all over, but your electric vehicle will take several hours to get any meaningful charge from a regular electrical outlet. It only takes a few minutes to fill a tank in a gas-powered vehicle.
For $50,000...you get a perfectly fine $30,000 Subaru.
The problem I'm outlining is clear - For $50,000, you should get a $50,000 car and everything else at the price range is dramatically better, the reviewers all universally state it as well. You can get a RAV4 Prime for less and get all of what you just explained plus the ability to put gas in it if you wanted, plus it is quicker for highway merges.
At $199/mo that whole thought is moot and it is an incredible 'car', but at full price it is awful and uncompetitive.
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Probably gently used in the west coast
Its got poor range relative to most new EVs. Slowish charging too. What else?
EV is not really bad as many people are trashing it
""""We switched to EV to save so much money on GAS for now."""""
I worked on cars for years and right now our families still driving the Lexus, Nissan, and Honda with gasoline engines. AND BZ4X, Tesla 3 and Tesla Y
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Probably gently used in the west coast
That being said, I really like the car. I like that it's EV, CarPlay, buttons for AC, tires aren't $$$, charging is cheap compared to gas.
Charging was super simple with ChargePoint and it only cost me $2.80 to go from 60% to 85%. The car automatically stopped charging once it hit that %. Supposedly there is a free year of EVgo charging when you use the Toyota app, but I cannot get the app to do it. It seems to get stuck connecting to the EVgo account.
Toyota built this as a compliance car to fill a gap in the lineup and has zero focus on it or care. If anything, it is the 'look we built an EV, it sucks!'. The first production run had WHEELS FALLING OFF. They recalled every single one! The car is slow and just utterly wild in it's idiocy.
We test drove the badge engineered Subaru version - the Solterra. Same car, different logo.
The list of infuriating choices piled fast. Want to move the driver's seat? BEEPS. CONSTANT BEEPS.
Want to back up? It beeps on the inside and inside only. Who are they warning?! Me? I"M DRIVING THE CAR.
The performance is just bad. It has a quick little bit of torque and then falls on it's face.
Did I mention the range sucks and that the car does not support fast charging so you literally cannot roadtrip it without hour-long-stops?
All in all, it just felt like Toyota was completely uninterested in building it as it is lower margin than gas/hybrid.
Then you have the ioniq 5. Hyundai's focus is straight up on on beating the Tesla Model Y. They are serious and in it. The car is shockingly better looking in person than the BZ4X. The interior feels like tomorrow and has innovative ideas, way more range, way better software, etc.
Korea is currently having the same moment that Japan had in the 90s, Hyundai should be taken seriously, esp in the EV space.
Toyota specifically said they believe electric vehicles are more of an impact to the environment than a carbon emission vehicle and they are not in the business of electric vehicles. Their hybrids are where they focus their attention for green initiative.
Even if all the stars somehow aligned and I got a Toyota bz4x on this deal that had zero issues for the 36 month lease, it still wouldn't be a deal for me. The example you gave isn't far off my situation.
50 mile commute = 100mi/day = 2000mi/month = 24,000mi/year. At 15¢/mile over 10k miles/year, that's an additional $175/mo for this or over $305/month.
Meanwhile, you can get a low mileage 2023 Bolt/Bolt EUV for around $20k ($16k if you qualify and count the tax credit) or ≈$400/mo at 6.75% for 60 months. (Again, closer to $315/mo with tax credit and you'll *own* it.)
And if you can charge at home - especially with a cheap EV plan, ours is 4.5¢/kwh for example - overnight then slow charging doesn't matter and it'd cost you less than $2/day in electricity charges to travel those 100 miles. In fact it'd probably be closer to $1.35/day as those 100 miles would probably end up using 25-30kwh at most - depending on time of year, traffic, and driving style/speeds etc.
A 48A level 2 home charger would be able to charge a Bolt/Bolt EUV an additional 30kwh between midnight and 7am without any issue at all.
A 100mi commute also allows you to easily keep the 65kwh battery in the recommended 20%-80% charge range.
This is all back-of-the-napkin math, but all of that to support what you said: a used Bolt would be perfect for someone with a 50 mile commute if they have access to home charging.
EV is not really bad as many people are trashing it
""""We switched to EV to save so much money on GAS for now."""""
I worked on cars for years and right now our families still driving the Lexus, Nissan, and Honda with gasoline engines. AND BZ4X, Tesla 3 and Tesla Y
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