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samsung pm863 MLC enterprise high endurance 960gb 2.5" SSD $289

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high endurance for the same price as an evo. these are usually $500 drives

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griffijg99
02-24-2018 at 02:32 PM.
02-24-2018 at 02:32 PM.
Good price for this RI Enterprise drive.

Keep in mind there is a newer version of this named the PM863a. The PM863 is still a great drive and I have many servers running with it.
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racebum
02-24-2018 at 02:38 PM.
02-24-2018 at 02:38 PM.
Quote from griffijg99 :
Good price for this RI Enterprise drive.

Keep in mind there is a newer version of this named the PM863a. The PM863 is still a great drive and I have many servers running with it.
could be why they are getting clearanced out. the A has been out for awhile but i don't think i have ever seen an MLC 1tb drive for 289 in my life
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kangaroomba
02-24-2018 at 02:46 PM.
02-24-2018 at 02:46 PM.
Quote from racebum :
could be why they are getting clearanced out. the A has been out for awhile but i don't think i have ever seen an MLC 1tb drive for 289 in my life
Except these are not MLC, they're TLC drives. The SM* line uses MLC NAND and they are much more expensive.
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02-24-2018 at 02:48 PM.
02-24-2018 at 02:48 PM.
Quote from kangaroomba :
Except these are not MLC, they're TLC drives. The SM* line uses MLC NAND and they are much more expensive.

Did you even bother to click the link?

http://www.storagereview.com/sams...ssd_review

you seriously have no idea what you're even commenting on
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kangaroomba
02-24-2018 at 02:54 PM.
02-24-2018 at 02:54 PM.
Quote from racebum :
Did you even bother to click the link?

http://www.storagereview.com/sams...ssd_review

you seriously have no idea what you're even commenting on
Really? I have no idea? Maybe you should do your own DD.
I own these. The Newegg description is wrong.

http://www.storagereview.com/sams...ssd_review

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NAND Flash: 3bit-VNAND
Also known as TLC NAND.
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02-24-2018 at 02:55 PM.
02-24-2018 at 02:55 PM.
Quote from kangaroomba :
Really? I have no idea? Maybe you should do your own DD.
I own these. The Newegg description is wrong.

http://www.storagereview.com/sams...ssd_review



Also known as TLC NAND.

So Newegg is wrong and the review is wrong and you are right. Okay
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kangaroomba
02-24-2018 at 03:01 PM.
02-24-2018 at 03:01 PM.
Quote from racebum :
So Newegg is wrong and the review is wrong and you are right. Okay
I don't know if you have trouble reading or comprehending, but the review article you linked to states that the drive uses 3-bit NAND, which is the same thing as saying it uses TLC. They call it MLC NAND only because both 2 bit and 3 bit NAND are both technically MLC. But in the marketing terms, MLC is normally used to refer to 2-bit MLC NAND. And as I said, the SM* line uses the "true" MLC NAND, while the PM* line is 3-bit MLC or TLC.
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neoweb
02-24-2018 at 03:32 PM.
02-24-2018 at 03:32 PM.
Quote from kangaroomba :
I don't know if you have trouble reading or comprehending, but the review article you linked to states that the drive uses 3-bit NAND, which is the same thing as saying it uses TLC. They call it MLC NAND only because both 2 bit and 3 bit NAND are both technically MLC. But in the marketing terms, MLC is normally used to refer to 2-bit MLC NAND. And as I said, the SM* line uses the "true" MLC NAND, while the PM* line is 3-bit MLC or TLC.

I almost bought this until I read your comment. Thanks for saving me the headache!
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kangaroomba
02-24-2018 at 03:47 PM.
02-24-2018 at 03:47 PM.
Quote from neoweb :
I almost bought this until I read your comment. Thanks for saving me the headache!
Depending on your use case, TLC may work just fine. If you just need a largish OS drive with room to spare for additional apps/games/data then this drive will do the job and likely do it better than a SATA based Evo model. It will, in fact, be better than many of the consumer level MLC drives. But if you need something for, say, heavy video editing where you'd be writing >1-2TB per day then you may want to look elsewhere.
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neoweb
02-24-2018 at 03:50 PM.
02-24-2018 at 03:50 PM.
Quote from kangaroomba :
Depending on your use case, TLC may work just fine. If you just need a largish OS drive with room to spare for additional apps/games/data then this drive will do the job and likely do it better than a SATA based Evo model. It will, in fact, be better than many of the consumer level MLC drives. But if you need something for, say, heavy video editing where you'd be writing >1-2TB per day then you may want to look elsewhere.

Thanks for your reply... we just have a very simple policy, no TLC in our house. :-)


PS: I learnt it the hard way
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02-24-2018 at 04:30 PM.
02-24-2018 at 04:30 PM.
no idea. endurance is rated as higher than the 850 evo {from random websites} which is what this would be if the 3bit was the same. it's marketed as MLC which could be because of the endurance? who knows, apparently some people refer to any 3 bit as TLC hence the T for tri

the only thing credible i see is this is marketed as an enterprise drive and costs the same as the 850 evo so if a person was going to buy an 850 evo this seems to be a better choice

different controller? got me
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02-24-2018 at 04:31 PM.
02-24-2018 at 04:31 PM.
Quote from neoweb :
Thanks for your reply... we just have a very simple policy, no TLC in our house. :-)


PS: I learnt it the hard way
you actually out wrote a 3d nand drive? was it 7the old 840 with the slow down issue?
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akcsie
02-24-2018 at 04:37 PM.
02-24-2018 at 04:37 PM.
Quote from racebum :
So Newegg is wrong and the review is wrong and you are right. Okay
Newegg has nothing to do with it, it's a listing by a 3rd party seller. It's wrong because it leaves out "3bit". Samsung uses the confusing 3bit MLC which is commonly referred to as TLC.
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jLikeToShop
02-25-2018 at 11:06 AM.
02-25-2018 at 11:06 AM.
Haven't taken the time to compare r/w performance against the 850 Evo or anything else, but 1400tbw endurance for this price sounds great! That's like 3x or more the endurance of consumer drives. I imagine the write speed gets trounced by the evos and pros, but the read speed appears decent. +1 and picked one up! Previously I was looking at an Intel s4500 or micron 5100, but they're easily $100+ additional.
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