Q: How to disable Wifi Radio (In Case you need these for MOCA)?
A: The radio can be turned off, the option to do so is hidden in the HTML of the "Basic Setup Page", just unhide it to show the radio-buttons, make the change, and click "apply" button as usual.If you use the Chrome Browser, right click on header for each wireless band and choose "inspect" to get at the HTML. Clear out "display:none".
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Q: How many of these do I need?
A: If you have zero MoCA adapters, then you will need two. If you have an existing MoCA device, then you only need one. Examples of existing adapters are: actiontec ECB2500V, actiontec ECB6200K, Verizon FiOS MI424WR router, Verizon FiOS G1100 router, Verizon FiOS WCB6200Q extender, XFinity DCT3941T gateway, XFinity TG852G gateway. You need one adapter for every location you intend to connect.
Q: Is this compatible with...?
A: MoCA is tolerant of splitters and long cable runs, but cannot handle amplifiers or filters. You also cannot use these in conjunction with DECA (the DirecTV version of this), as the Tv signal uses the same frequency as these.
A: These will work fine with an amplifier as long as it's MOCA compatible. See the following links for examples if an upgrade is needed: http://www.pctstore.co
Q: Will this work with the TiVo MoCA?
A: Yes.
Q: Why bother?
A: These basically convert coax to ethernet. You get the benefits of having an ethernet plug in every room where you use this box with an existing coax drop without needing to wire your house for ethernet. It provides low latency, very fast stable speeds (130-140mbps), and in this case it is super cheap. Also adds additional Wi-Fi APs if your home needs them.
Q: What does this have to do with Wi-Fi?
A: It adds another access point in your home utilizing 2.4/5ghz N wireless. It will also assimilate the same SSID as your current setup if you use WPS.
Q: Compatible with MoCA 2.0/bonded?
A: Yes, MoCA 2.0 is backwards compatible with 1.1, however it will operate at 1.1 speeds.
Q: Any issues with these boxes?
A: The firmware is a bit locked-down (these are likely TWC returns). It isnt easy to turn off wi-fi, or encrypt MoCA. You also cannot log in using default credentials (you will need it to pick up an IP from a router) They work with any brand MoCA device! The stock firmware does not allow the vertical bar symbol "|" in your WPA passphrase.
Q: What do I get inside the box?
A: Coax cable, ethernet cable, splitter, bridge, AC Adapter, stand.
*Some sellers don't provide a splitter and coax cables. If you use OTA, you can use a diplexer and there will be much less signal loss.
Newer firmware:
https://github.com/jameshilliard/WECB-CC-GPL
Steps to updating the firmware and turning off wireless:
- Download firmware compiled by Fiercedeitylink (use at your own risk): link
- Connect to device's web UI by finding its assigned IP address (your router UI may help identify it) and type in a web browser (e.g. 192.168.1.5)
- login as admin/admin for user/password
- go to Advanced Setup and flash with downloaded firmware
- login to device again as mso/mso for user/password (there are 3 different accounts with different levels of accees. mco account has the highest level)
- go to Wireless Setup, then Basic Setup
- select 'Disable' on Wireless Radio for both 2.4ghz and 5ghz
- also turn on 'MoCA Privacy' somewhere in the settings.
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If you choose to go with the ethernet bridge (ECB2500) or a second one of these WCB3000N devices, you do the following. Plug one device via ethernet into your router, and then connect the coax line to the wall. With the second device, all you need to do is plug it in via coax into the wall. That's it. The DHCP from the router will be picked up and the wifi will properly distribute the IP table.
If you choose to go the router route (MI424WR, G1100, or one of the cable modem gateways from XFinity or Arris) all you need to do is setup your router as you normally would (be it as the primary router connected to your cable modem, or as a coax bridge), then connect the coax to the wall. Using the second device, just connect the coax to the wall. And you are done. The second device will pick up the IP table no problem.
In both cases, after you plug it in you can setup the Wifi settings on the WCB3000N as you like...SSID, wifi password, etc. I know there is someway to have this automatically extend your MoCA router wifi network, but i never cared to figure it out as I like to have separate networks.
I bought eight of these (at $13.99) and returned five of them. Here's a quick breakdown:
Yes, these work if you have fios and cable. It will also work if you don't have internet at all. Any room that has coax/TV can get hardwired level connections with these.
You'll need one box per head, including at the router... If your router doesn't have MoCA built in.
These are MoCA 1.1...it caps at around 130-140 mbps... Or just slightly over fast ethernet speeds. This is between endpoints with a six foot coax cable.
Good parts:
Plug and play wifi extenders if you have WPS.
Very easy to install.
Not much degradation even if you have a ton of splitters and lines.
Will crush any wireless solution in latency.
Great for use as backhaul between APs
The main issues:
These are likely rebranded TWC boxes. Many things are disabled by default... And the firmware will NEVER be upgraded.
Cannot turn off wifi easily without going into the individual elements of the GUI and turning them off. You need to repeat this everytime power goes out.
No MoCA security... If you're in an apt complex... This means you neighbors may see your computers. Not an issue if you're in a detached home with fios.
These boxes come with:
One splitter
One rg59 cable
One ethernet wire
The box itself, of course.
I kept two (for parents) and one as a spare if a friend should need it... But I found more flexibility and tweakability in just buying old fios routers and turning them into bridges. Also, with the advent of cheap gigabit internet... I need. Bonded MoCA 2.0 minimum... Worth the extra $ to get those boxes for me.
Now as far as the difference between powerline and moca. Powerline, of course, is over your powerlines while Moca is over your coax. The major benefit that moca has over powerline is line noise. Powerline is injecting a networking signal over powerlines which are inherently noisy and susceptible to interference (e.g. magnetic field). As a result, as you move the two powerline adapters further away from each other, the speed degrades. Originally, powerline adapters were a mere 10 mbps, but now they offer 2 gbps. So a 50% drop in speed from a 2 gbps adapter is not so bad as a 50% drop in speed from a 10 mbps adapter - you get to "suffer" from a 1 gbps speed. The PROBLEM is, even with that speed, because of the noise on the line, you will likely encounter jitter - your ping won't be rock solid 1ms. Hell, 50% may not be all the speed drop you experience. If your powerlines are old, your drop could be bigger if you intend the two adapters to be far away. For basic internet you it will be acceptable, but...coax is much more solid, has much less jitter, great pings, no speed drop as you increase distance (at least I haven't experienced it...and I have my mom's network over a huge ranch house).
Pros of Powerline over Coax:
Every home has power lines to use for networking. Not everyone has coax wiring (as much as one would like to believe...the cost to get these lines installed could be pretty pricey. And at that point, you might as well get ethernet wiring)
Powerline adapters are now up to 2 gbps. Moca 1.1 is 270 mbps total, while Moca 2.0 (bonded) is 1 gbps.
More adapter choices with better price points (for the new 2 gbps adapters. Obviously this WCB3000N is $10 which is a stellar price, even for coax). The new Moca 2.0 bonded devices are prohibitively expensive. A 2 pack of Moca ethernet-only adapters are $160, the upgrade to the WCB3000N, the WCB6200Q, is $150. All of them made by Actiontec. The TP-Link 2000 powerline 2-pack is $85. Zyxel is $80. Netgear is $130.
Pros of Coax over Powerline:
The signal is much more solid on Coax. No jitter, no noise, no interference (as long as you arent using filters, amplifiers or satellite tv)
Speed doesn't drop over distance
Signal will never drop. If you have newer coax wiring it is shielded RG6 cables, very robust. Shielding helps the signal. Even the older RG59 cabling is good - its not shielded, but it will still keep a solid signal.
Both systems suffer from the same cons (vs ethernet network):
Need powered adapters. Ethernet doesnt need power.
Need to be careful what you put on the line to avoid noise on the line (e.g. filters, amps, splitters).
Both act like a wired network hub as opposed to a network switch - it is not 1 gbps (Coax 2.0) coax at each adapter, it is all locations use bandwidth which maxes out at 1 gbps, or in the case of 1.1, it is 270 mbps shared.
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You dont necessarily need to connect them to a router to make them function. Just need 2 to create the network - just connect a computer on each end, set them to manual IP, and then you can do some LAN gaming or network sharing. Doing just that would be the equivalent of connecting 2 PC's by a crossover ethernet cable, or 2 ethernet cables to a network switch. Of course the whole intent of coax networking is to distribute an existing internet network over coax...heh.
ok,
If I have a big house that the wifi router cannot provide coverage for the whole house.
wifi repeater is crap. I don't want to use it. it cut the speed in half. terrible lag.
Powerline most of them also garbage. Need to reset few time a month.
What is the advantage of using MoCA device over the Powerline, wifi repeater?
This also lets you disable TR-069 if you visit the web page adv_tr69.html I would also recommend disabling WPS.
To install just go to firmware upgrade.
Default logins (from weakest to strongest):
user/user
tech/tech
mso/mso
If I have a big house that the wifi router cannot provide coverage for the whole house.
wifi repeater is crap. I don't want to use it. it cut the speed in half. terrible lag.
Powerline most of them also garbage. Need to reset few time a month.
What is the advantage of using MoCA device over the Powerline, wifi repeater?
For perspective, my house has a 10-way coax splitter (not amped). One of the splits is split again into two... One to this box... The other to an HDHomeRun.
Another split is going to an old MoCa router-turned-bridge.
The wires are a mess of old rg59 and rg6. Some aren't even terminated properly... Using screw on connectors... Not the crimp on kind.
Exactly the same speed as end-to-end with no splits..
Its basically equal to a 20-1 splitter.
Lon Seidman has a good video reviewing this technology on YT. Definitely worth checking out
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The Rev I if this works would then connect from its WAN port to the main router in the house and be able to distribute the network connectivity over both the coax as well as its LAN ports.
This gives the added option of using the REV I as a 4-port hub,.
Also, this would allow for a one to many coax connections if required in the future....such that the coax coming out of the Rev I would be connected to a splitter allowing for the Rev I to distribute to multiple extenders. (If you bought 2 of these now to extend and later found you need to connect a 3rd site, then you would need to buy 2 more versus get the rev I now and then add on single extenders as needed in the future).
The Rev I if this works would then connect from its WAN port to the main router in the house and be able to distribute the network connectivity over both the coax as well as its LAN ports.
This gives the added option of using the REV I as a 4-port hub,.
But yeah, if you need more ethernet ports but not 5GHz Wi-Fi, get the MI424WR for a few bucks more. The two ports on WCB3000N is okay for a lot of cases though.
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The Rev I if this works would then connect from its WAN port to the main router in the house and be able to distribute the network connectivity over both the coax as well as its LAN ports.
This gives the added option of using the REV I as a 4-port hub,.
Also, this would allow for a one to many coax connections if required in the future....such that the coax coming out of the Rev I would be connected to a splitter allowing for the Rev I to distribute to multiple extenders. (If you bought 2 of these now to extend and later found you need to connect a 3rd site, then you would need to buy 2 more versus get the rev I now and then add on single extenders as needed in the future).
But yeah, if you need more ethernet ports but not 5GHz Wi-Fi, get the MI424WR for a few bucks more. The two ports on WCB3000N is okay for a lot of cases though.
It seems like a beast of a home router for a steal at $38 shipped. https://www.arris.com/globalassets/resources/data-sheets/nvg468mq.pdf
It has:
The Frontier firmware probably disallows lots of the router functions, but it looks like it could be a fantastic MoCA to Gigabit Ethernet bridge aka Wireless Network Extender.
If you disable DHCP on the LAN side, you should be able to plug a LAN port into the existing network and have 5-600Mbps of bandwidth to any number of these via MoCA.
Yes, it's more expensive than $10, but if you're going to actually use the WiFi, it seems to be well worth the upgrade. 4x4 Wireless AC should be good for several years. The WCB3000N has old, insecure (for the wireless) firmware and won't have an upgrade in the future.
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I'm still researching the NVG468MQ, trying to find a reason it won't work, but I haven't found one yet. I'm thinking it will be a great WiFi upgrade for my parents' house.
Thoughts?
I want my wifi to be setup with the same wifi security at both the main router and this extender...
But yeah, if you need more ethernet ports but not 5GHz Wi-Fi, get the MI424WR for a few bucks more. The two ports on WCB3000N is okay for a lot of cases though.
The Rev I if this works would then connect from its WAN port to the main router in the house and be able to distribute the network connectivity over both the coax as well as its LAN ports.
This gives the added option of using the REV I as a 4-port hub,.
Also, this would allow for a one to many coax connections if required in the future....such that the coax coming out of the Rev I would be connected to a splitter allowing for the Rev I to distribute to multiple extenders. (If you bought 2 of these now to extend and later found you need to connect a 3rd site, then you would need to buy 2 more versus get the rev I now and then add on single extenders as needed in the future).
The Arris NVG468MQ (see my previous post) from eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Windstre...3321
You could use a combination of all three, but it would downgrade the MoCa 2.0 on the Arris to MoCa 1.1 speeds, which is likely fine for most.
I want my wifi to be setup with the same wifi security at both the main router and this extender...
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I want my wifi to be setup with the same wifi security at both the main router and this extender...
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