Q: How to disable Wifi Radio (In Case you need these for MOCA)?
A: The radio can be turned off, the option to do so is hidden in the HTML of the "Basic Setup Page", just unhide it to show the radio-buttons, make the change, and click "apply" button as usual.If you use the Chrome Browser, right click on header for each wireless band and choose "inspect" to get at the HTML. Clear out "display:none".
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Q: How many of these do I need?
A: If you have zero MoCA adapters, then you will need two. If you have an existing MoCA device, then you only need one. Examples of existing adapters are: actiontec ECB2500V, actiontec ECB6200K, Verizon FiOS MI424WR router, Verizon FiOS G1100 router, Verizon FiOS WCB6200Q extender, XFinity DCT3941T gateway, XFinity TG852G gateway. You need one adapter for every location you intend to connect.
Q: Is this compatible with...?
A: MoCA is tolerant of splitters and long cable runs, but cannot handle amplifiers or filters. You also cannot use these in conjunction with DECA (the DirecTV version of this), as the Tv signal uses the same frequency as these.
A: These will work fine with an amplifier as long as it's MOCA compatible. See the following links for examples if an upgrade is needed: http://www.pctstore.co
Q: Will this work with the TiVo MoCA?
A: Yes.
Q: Why bother?
A: These basically convert coax to ethernet. You get the benefits of having an ethernet plug in every room where you use this box with an existing coax drop without needing to wire your house for ethernet. It provides low latency, very fast stable speeds (130-140mbps), and in this case it is super cheap. Also adds additional Wi-Fi APs if your home needs them.
Q: What does this have to do with Wi-Fi?
A: It adds another access point in your home utilizing 2.4/5ghz N wireless. It will also assimilate the same SSID as your current setup if you use WPS.
Q: Compatible with MoCA 2.0/bonded?
A: Yes, MoCA 2.0 is backwards compatible with 1.1, however it will operate at 1.1 speeds.
Q: Any issues with these boxes?
A: The firmware is a bit locked-down (these are likely TWC returns). It isnt easy to turn off wi-fi, or encrypt MoCA. You also cannot log in using default credentials (you will need it to pick up an IP from a router) They work with any brand MoCA device! The stock firmware does not allow the vertical bar symbol "|" in your WPA passphrase.
Q: What do I get inside the box?
A: Coax cable, ethernet cable, splitter, bridge, AC Adapter, stand.
*Some sellers don't provide a splitter and coax cables. If you use OTA, you can use a diplexer and there will be much less signal loss.
Newer firmware:
https://github.com/jameshilliard/WECB-CC-GPL
Steps to updating the firmware and turning off wireless:
- Download firmware compiled by Fiercedeitylink (use at your own risk): link
- Connect to device's web UI by finding its assigned IP address (your router UI may help identify it) and type in a web browser (e.g. 192.168.1.5)
- login as admin/admin for user/password
- go to Advanced Setup and flash with downloaded firmware
- login to device again as mso/mso for user/password (there are 3 different accounts with different levels of accees. mco account has the highest level)
- go to Wireless Setup, then Basic Setup
- select 'Disable' on Wireless Radio for both 2.4ghz and 5ghz
- also turn on 'MoCA Privacy' somewhere in the settings.
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If you choose to go with the ethernet bridge (ECB2500) or a second one of these WCB3000N devices, you do the following. Plug one device via ethernet into your router, and then connect the coax line to the wall. With the second device, all you need to do is plug it in via coax into the wall. That's it. The DHCP from the router will be picked up and the wifi will properly distribute the IP table.
If you choose to go the router route (MI424WR, G1100, or one of the cable modem gateways from XFinity or Arris) all you need to do is setup your router as you normally would (be it as the primary router connected to your cable modem, or as a coax bridge), then connect the coax to the wall. Using the second device, just connect the coax to the wall. And you are done. The second device will pick up the IP table no problem.
In both cases, after you plug it in you can setup the Wifi settings on the WCB3000N as you like...SSID, wifi password, etc. I know there is someway to have this automatically extend your MoCA router wifi network, but i never cared to figure it out as I like to have separate networks.
I bought eight of these (at $13.99) and returned five of them. Here's a quick breakdown:
Yes, these work if you have fios and cable. It will also work if you don't have internet at all. Any room that has coax/TV can get hardwired level connections with these.
You'll need one box per head, including at the router... If your router doesn't have MoCA built in.
These are MoCA 1.1...it caps at around 130-140 mbps... Or just slightly over fast ethernet speeds. This is between endpoints with a six foot coax cable.
Good parts:
Plug and play wifi extenders if you have WPS.
Very easy to install.
Not much degradation even if you have a ton of splitters and lines.
Will crush any wireless solution in latency.
Great for use as backhaul between APs
The main issues:
These are likely rebranded TWC boxes. Many things are disabled by default... And the firmware will NEVER be upgraded.
Cannot turn off wifi easily without going into the individual elements of the GUI and turning them off. You need to repeat this everytime power goes out.
No MoCA security... If you're in an apt complex... This means you neighbors may see your computers. Not an issue if you're in a detached home with fios.
These boxes come with:
One splitter
One rg59 cable
One ethernet wire
The box itself, of course.
I kept two (for parents) and one as a spare if a friend should need it... But I found more flexibility and tweakability in just buying old fios routers and turning them into bridges. Also, with the advent of cheap gigabit internet... I need. Bonded MoCA 2.0 minimum... Worth the extra $ to get those boxes for me.
Now as far as the difference between powerline and moca. Powerline, of course, is over your powerlines while Moca is over your coax. The major benefit that moca has over powerline is line noise. Powerline is injecting a networking signal over powerlines which are inherently noisy and susceptible to interference (e.g. magnetic field). As a result, as you move the two powerline adapters further away from each other, the speed degrades. Originally, powerline adapters were a mere 10 mbps, but now they offer 2 gbps. So a 50% drop in speed from a 2 gbps adapter is not so bad as a 50% drop in speed from a 10 mbps adapter - you get to "suffer" from a 1 gbps speed. The PROBLEM is, even with that speed, because of the noise on the line, you will likely encounter jitter - your ping won't be rock solid 1ms. Hell, 50% may not be all the speed drop you experience. If your powerlines are old, your drop could be bigger if you intend the two adapters to be far away. For basic internet you it will be acceptable, but...coax is much more solid, has much less jitter, great pings, no speed drop as you increase distance (at least I haven't experienced it...and I have my mom's network over a huge ranch house).
Pros of Powerline over Coax:
Every home has power lines to use for networking. Not everyone has coax wiring (as much as one would like to believe...the cost to get these lines installed could be pretty pricey. And at that point, you might as well get ethernet wiring)
Powerline adapters are now up to 2 gbps. Moca 1.1 is 270 mbps total, while Moca 2.0 (bonded) is 1 gbps.
More adapter choices with better price points (for the new 2 gbps adapters. Obviously this WCB3000N is $10 which is a stellar price, even for coax). The new Moca 2.0 bonded devices are prohibitively expensive. A 2 pack of Moca ethernet-only adapters are $160, the upgrade to the WCB3000N, the WCB6200Q, is $150. All of them made by Actiontec. The TP-Link 2000 powerline 2-pack is $85. Zyxel is $80. Netgear is $130.
Pros of Coax over Powerline:
The signal is much more solid on Coax. No jitter, no noise, no interference (as long as you arent using filters, amplifiers or satellite tv)
Speed doesn't drop over distance
Signal will never drop. If you have newer coax wiring it is shielded RG6 cables, very robust. Shielding helps the signal. Even the older RG59 cabling is good - its not shielded, but it will still keep a solid signal.
Both systems suffer from the same cons (vs ethernet network):
Need powered adapters. Ethernet doesnt need power.
Need to be careful what you put on the line to avoid noise on the line (e.g. filters, amps, splitters).
Both act like a wired network hub as opposed to a network switch - it is not 1 gbps (Coax 2.0) coax at each adapter, it is all locations use bandwidth which maxes out at 1 gbps, or in the case of 1.1, it is 270 mbps shared.
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in other words, if I have already created a moca network, can roamio 4-tuner connect using ethernet/coax cable without having to connect directly to the actiontec?
If I have a big house that the wifi router cannot provide coverage for the whole house.
wifi repeater is crap. I don't want to use it. it cut the speed in half. terrible lag.
Powerline most of them also garbage. Need to reset few time a month.
What is the advantage of using MoCA device over the Powerline, wifi repeater?
Now as far as the difference between powerline and moca. Powerline, of course, is over your powerlines while Moca is over your coax. The major benefit that moca has over powerline is line noise. Powerline is injecting a networking signal over powerlines which are inherently noisy and susceptible to interference (e.g. magnetic field). As a result, as you move the two powerline adapters further away from each other, the speed degrades. Originally, powerline adapters were a mere 10 mbps, but now they offer 2 gbps. So a 50% drop in speed from a 2 gbps adapter is not so bad as a 50% drop in speed from a 10 mbps adapter - you get to "suffer" from a 1 gbps speed. The PROBLEM is, even with that speed, because of the noise on the line, you will likely encounter jitter - your ping won't be rock solid 1ms. Hell, 50% may not be all the speed drop you experience. If your powerlines are old, your drop could be bigger if you intend the two adapters to be far away. For basic internet you it will be acceptable, but...coax is much more solid, has much less jitter, great pings, no speed drop as you increase distance (at least I haven't experienced it...and I have my mom's network over a huge ranch house).
Pros of Powerline over Coax:
- Every home has power lines to use for networking. Not everyone has coax wiring (as much as one would like to believe...the cost to get these lines installed could be pretty pricey. And at that point, you might as well get ethernet wiring)
- Powerline adapters are now up to 2 gbps. Moca 1.1 is 270 mbps total, while Moca 2.0 (bonded) is 1 gbps.
- More adapter choices with better price points (for the new 2 gbps adapters. Obviously this WCB3000N is $10 which is a stellar price, even for coax). The new Moca 2.0 bonded devices are prohibitively expensive. A 2 pack of Moca ethernet-only adapters are $160, the upgrade to the WCB3000N, the WCB6200Q, is $150. All of them made by Actiontec. The TP-Link 2000 powerline 2-pack is $85. Zyxel is $80. Netgear is $130.
Pros of Coax over Powerline:Both systems suffer from the same cons (vs ethernet network):
I want my wifi to be setup with the same wifi security at both the main router and this extender...
It seems like a beast of a home router for a steal at $38 shipped. https://www.arris.com/globalasset...g
It seems like a beast of a home router for a steal at $38 shipped. https://www.arris.com/globalasset...g
It has:
The Frontier firmware probably disallows lots of the router functions, but it looks like it could be a fantastic MoCA to Gigabit Ethernet bridge aka Wireless Network Extender.
If you disable DHCP on the LAN side, you should be able to plug a LAN port into the existing network and have 5-600Mbps of bandwidth to any number of these via MoCA.
Yes, it's more expensive than $10, but if you're going to actually use the WiFi, it seems to be well worth the upgrade. 4x4 Wireless AC should be good for several years. The WCB3000N has old, insecure (for the wireless) firmware and won't have an upgrade in the future.
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I'm still researching the NVG468MQ, trying to find a reason it won't work, but I haven't found one yet. I'm thinking it will be a great WiFi upgrade for my parents' house.
Thoughts?
I'm guessing the MoCA 2.0 non-bonded is next to be cleared out. If you check the MoCA site (http://www.mocalliance
It's almost tempting to try Citi price rewind, but it's probably not worth the effort for $13.98 back. Will these be $5 in 2 more months? These are new so they must really have a massive surplus, almost like those perpetual refurb Asus AC1900 routers from MobileDist for $48. I assume the drifting price is some sort of automated thing rather than a Supreme Deals employee frequently twiddling the price by pennies based on how many orders they are getting.
in other words, if I have already created a moca network, can roamio 4-tuner connect using ethernet/coax cable without having to connect directly to the actiontec?
From what I can tell, newer TiVos use MoCa 2.0, offering a shared 450Mbps connection. MoCa 1.1 is a shared 270Mbps connection.
TiVo recommends the MoCa 2.0 TiVo Bridge for the Roamio [tivo.com] at $80.According to this post [tivocommunity.com], the TiVo minis and many other TiVos are MoCa 1.1, so that should be good enough.
Certainly worth a try for $10.
Link works in preview, but not when I post it. Trying again. Cut and paste if necessary. tivocommunity.com/community/index.php?threads/network-specs-moca-ethernet.548262/#post-11146306 [tivocommunity.com]
https://www.tivocommunity.com/community/index.php?threads/network-specs-moca-ethernet.548262/#post-11146306
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It's almost tempting to try Citi price rewind, but it's probably not worth the effort for $13.98 back. Will these be $5 in 2 more months? These are new so they must really have a massive surplus, almost like those perpetual refurb Asus AC1900 routers from MobileDist for $48. I assume the drifting price is some sort of automated thing rather than a Supreme Deals employee frequently twiddling the price by pennies based on how many orders they are getting.
I also bought the ECB2200V when they were pretty early in the game...I paid $150 or so for a pack of two. Now I was absolutely desperate the replace my mom's Home Phonline Network (HPNA) which was wildly slow and susceptible to horrible interruptions from interference due to electrical surges and phone calls - and wifi is crap in my mom's house. MoCA was a godsend because it saved me from having to fix her network all the time when I went away for grad school. It was well worth the $150 at the time. Now they have gigabit adapters, blah blah.
Just use em and be happy. They are good quality items. Or just give them to a friend.
http://www.pctstore.co
http://www.pctstore.co
If one has multi-room DVR installed by their cable provider and the residence has an amplified splitter, it's already MOCA compatible as MOCA is required for multi-room DVR service. If not, one can be purchased, such as the above units from PCT.
Also, a filter is desired and not an issue as long as it's properly installed at the point of entry. A filter is necessary to prevent external distribution of the MOCA network. Not having a filter is a legitimate security risk that should not be ignored. POE filters are inexpensive and can be easily found on Amazon, such as this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Filter-MoC...00DC8IEE6/.
Some of the MOCA compatible amplifiers filters such as the bypass unit above from PCT have the filter built-in.
lol why does the price keep fluctuating?
actually now its down to 9.05??? should i keep waiting?
lol why does the price keep fluctuating?
actually now its down to 9.05??? should i keep waiting?
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My parents have an older house that is just too large to cover reliably with Wifi. I've tried Powerline but with 3 different power panels they just never worked reliably unless the outlets were right next to each other.
I'm putting in a new AC1900 router to replace an old N router so we will see if that solves the issue but I've set up network extenders for the basement, the kitchen, and the other side of the house with varying results.
Short of adding another cable modem & AP on the other side of the house....MoCa may be the solution.
So my question is......Does the Coax line need to be unused or does this device work on live lines where there is a cable feed to a stb box?? As it is a large house I'm not sure I'd be able to locate all the splitters or amplifiers on the line without taking apart the ceiling in the basement. If there is an amplifier on the line (likely for the long cable runs).....what are your options? (Replace with a compatible amplifier??)
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