expiredcgrady | Staff posted Aug 29, 2019 06:31 AM
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expiredcgrady | Staff posted Aug 29, 2019 06:31 AM
Denon AVR-X3600H 9.2-Channel 4K A/V Receiver
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I love Yamaha, but the 2085 lacks HDMI 2.1 (it only implements eARC), its room correction is strictly worse, it has one fewer HDMI input, it isn't expandable to 11.2 via a separate amp, and is 1" taller and 5" deeper.
The Yamaha may be the better choice for some people, but it in no way "kills this", and you're missing out on HDMI 2.1 support and other features.
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I think eARC is great in that it allows for bypassing the receiver as you said, or for sending Dolby TrueHD audio back to the receiver from built in apps, but there are still reasons for wanting HDMI 2.1 in the receiver.
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I love Yamaha, but the 2085 lacks HDMI 2.1 (it only implements eARC), its room correction is strictly worse, it has one fewer HDMI input, it isn't expandable to 11.2 via a separate amp, and is 1" taller and 5" deeper.
The Yamaha may be the better choice for some people, but it in no way "kills this", and you're missing out on HDMI 2.1 support and other features.
And if you can't run an HDMI cable to the TV how did you plan to attach it to the receiver regardless of having eARC?
I think eARC is great in that it allows for bypassing the receiver as you said, or for sending Dolby TrueHD audio back to the receiver from built in apps, but there are still reasons for wanting HDMI 2.1 in the receiver.
Like what?
If you're bypassing the receiver for video what does 2.1 in the AVR get you?
And if you can't run an HDMI cable to the TV how did you plan to attach it to the receiver regardless of having eARC?
Like what?
If you're bypassing the receiver for video what does 2.1 in the AVR get you?
I think the real benefit of HDMI 2.1 is eARC, as well as Auto Low Latency Mode and Variable Refresh Rate support for gaming.
Also, I currently have a single HDMI cable going through the wall from my receiver to the TV, with the receiver and everything connected to it located elsewhere - many people have similar installs. While it's technically possible for me to connect something directly to the TV, it would be kind of ugly.
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I'm so ready to get a new TV and receiver but I think I have to wait until next year...
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And if you can't run an HDMI cable to the TV how did you plan to attach it to the receiver regardless of having eARC?
Like what?
If you're bypassing the receiver for video what does 2.1 in the AVR get you?
I think the real benefit of HDMI 2.1 is eARC, as well as Auto Low Latency Mode and Variable Refresh Rate support for gaming.
eARC is supported in many 2.0 receivers (and TVs)...as is auto low latency mode.
In fact the previous version of this exact receiver, the X3500, supports both.
And VRR is irrelevant on the AVR if using eArc to avoid running video through the AVR.
Which brings us back to if one plans to use eArc to avoid running video through the receiver, what benefit is there to HDMI 2.1 in a receiver?
I'm open to there BEING one or more such benefits- but I'm not aware of any and asking if you or anyone else knows of any?
eARC is supported in many 2.0 receivers (and TVs)...as is auto low latency mode.
In fact the previous version of this exact receiver, the X3500, supports both.
And VRR is irrelevant on the AVR if using eArc to avoid running video through the AVR.
Which brings us back to if one plans to use eArc to avoid running video through the receiver, what benefit is there to HDMI 2.1 in a receiver?
I'm open to there BEING one or more such benefits- but I'm not aware of any and asking if you or anyone else knows of any?
If you're in a situation where you can run everything direct to the TV, you can use any receiver with eARC and get what you need.
If you're in a situation like I am, where you need to run everything through the receiver, then HDMI 2.1 support becomes necessary.
The reason I keep coming back to Denon is Audyssey MultEQ; does any competitor have a product as good with speaker calibration?
If you're in a situation where you can run everything direct to the TV, you can use any receiver with eARC and get what you need.
If you're in a situation like I am, where you need to run everything through the receiver, then HDMI 2.1 support becomes necessary.
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If you're in a situation where you can run everything direct to the TV, you can use any receiver with eARC and get what you need.
If you're in a situation like I am, where you need to run everything through the receiver, then HDMI 2.1 support becomes necessary.
Yup, that's it.
the great thing about eArc is it means then in a few years when some OTHER new TV tech comes along, I will no longer need to ALSO upgrade the AVR since the AVR no longer matters for video.
I just upgrade the TV and the receiver keeps doing everything fine.
In contrast to my current situation.... when I upgraded to a 4k OLED I had to upgrade by E400 Denon to an X3300W to support 4k/60 video and HDR.
Now when I upgrade to something that can do 8k or 4/120 I'll need to upgrade my AVR again since the X3300 doesn't support those video standards.
But this time will be the last time since eArc will allow me to remove the AVR entirely from the video stream and just connect everything direct to the TV and let it pass HD audio back to the receiver with 1 cable.
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