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Costco Members: HP 14" Laptop: i3-1005G1, 4GB DDR4, 128GB SSD, Win 10 S

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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jackt
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I've already opened up and upgraded this laptop.


Removing the back cover to do upgrades:
There are 8 Philips-head screws altogether, all on the back cover. 4 of them are underneath the two rubber strips. The rubber strips are attached using double-sided tape with a strong adhesive, so be careful when removing them and try not to separate the tape from the rubber strip. Tip from @msk12: Heat up and loosen the adhesive before removing the rubber feet. I haven't done this before, but maybe a blow dryer or a cloth bag filled with microwaved uncooked rice would work. You don't need to completely remove the rubber strips- just peel back enough to expose the screws. There is an image of all the screw locations in the link below. Also be careful not to pull outward or pull very hard, as you'll stretch the rubber strip that way. Just very slowly but firmly pull it upward, almost as if you are rolling it off. You'll need a pretty thin plastic spudger to detach all the clips holding the bottom cover to the laptop. A credit card may be too thick. Photos of the inside of the laptop, the inside of the back cover, the screw locations, and where to use the spudger to remove the back cover: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv


CPU:
The CPU is indeed an i5-1035G4. I got two of them in Los Angeles and both have this CPU. At first I couldn't believe it, but I ran CPU-Z and it's definitely confirmed. On 11/15/19 two people confirmed that they received units with the same model number but with the i3 CPU. The side of the box will say which CPU is in the box- there are some posts in this thread showing a picture of the label on the side of the box. When buying at the warehouse, I recommend going to the merchandise pickup window first and asking to see the side of the box to confirm that it has the i5 CPU. Then ask them nicely to hold that box for a few minutes while you go pay for it at checkout.

One point of concern is that in the pre-installed HP Support Assistant app as well as on the motherboard it says "model number 14-dq1033cl". The spec sheet for that model on the HP website says the CPU is an Intel® Core™ i3-1005G1. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06463284 Not sure what would happen if this computer needs a warranty motherboard/CPU replacement. if you check Windows System Information for the model number, it says "HP Laptop 14-dq1xxx".

Intel has had a lot of production problems with these 10nm Ice Lake chips. My theory on why this system has this upgraded CPU is that at the last minute Intel had trouble supplying the lower-end i3 chips so they or HP decided to just use these i5 chips so they can meet Costco's delivery expectations. HP would not normally pair this CPU with such little memory and slow SATA storage.


Integrated Graphics:
The new Ice Lake CPUs come with 3 integrated graphics options, as indicated by the last 2 characters in the CPU's model number:
- G1, basic
- G4, intermediate
- G7, highest level

G4 and G7 are labeled Iris Plus Graphics. This model has G4 graphics.


Storage:
The laptop comes with a M.2 SATA interface SSD, but I replaced it with a HP EX920 1TB NVMe SSD. The new SSD works just fine, so this laptop is compatible with NVMe drives. The easiest way to put Windows on a new SSD drive would be:
1) create a recovery thumb drive from the laptop itself, within Windows. Start menu > Recovery Drive
2) Swap out the SSD
3) Boot up to the USB drive. Just insert the thumb drive and turn on the laptop. It'll boot from the USB drive when it can't find an operating system on your new SSD drive.
4) Restore windows to the new SSD drive from the USB drive.

There are a number of posts in this thread with instructions on how to do a clean installation of Windows, which would install Windows without the bloatware that came with the laptop. It's easy to get stuck in a Catch-22 using this method, where you need to connect to the internet to exit S Mode before you can install the WiFi driver and all the other drivers, but you can't exit S Mode or connect to the internet until you've installed the WiFi driver. If you want to go this route, be sure to read the thread carefully and have a plan for installing the WiFi driver.

There is a space next to the battery where a 2.5" drive would fit, but if you look at the photo I attached of the inside of the back cover you'll see that there's a lattice-like grid on it to give that empty space some rigidity. I haven't tried, but it looks like you cannot put a 2.5" drive there.


Memory:
There are 2 upgradable SODIMM slots. No DRAM is soldered to the motherboard. The laptop comes with a single 4GB SODIMM, and 1 empty slot. I installed Crucial 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR4 2666 MT/s (PC4-21300) SR x8 SODIMM 260-Pin Memory - CT2K8G4SFS8266 and it works well. The Crucial website actually recommends DDR4 3200, but the 4GB SODIMM that came with the laptop is DDR4 2666.


WiFi/Bluetooth - Support for WiFi 6:
The laptop comes with a Realtek RTL8822CE 2x2 WiFi AC + BT 5 module. They're used in a lot of laptops, including models that are much more expensive than this one. However, there are definitely more complaints about problems with the Realtek wireless cards compared to the Intel cards on the HP support forums, so I decided to switch to an Intel card since I had the laptop opened up anyway. This laptop will work with an Intel WiFi AX200 WiFi 6 + Bluetooth 5 module. You're gonna need to have the AX200 driver on a thumb drive before you install the WiFi module, as you won't be able to connect to the internet to download the new driver after you replace the Realtek module that came with the laptop. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...Fi-6-AX200


No USB-C charging or DisplayPort/HDMI output via USB-C:
As per the specs, the USB-C port doesn't have Power Delivery or Extended USB-C capabilities (namely DisplayPort & HDMI output). So essentially the USB-C port functions like a regular USB 3.0 Type-A port. Someone in this thread tested this and confirmed that this model has no charging or video output through the USB-C port.


Fan noise:
I've been using two of these laptops for several days now. I'm pretty sensitive to fan noise because my prior laptop has a very quiet fan, even at its highest speed. The fan on this HP seems to have two or three speeds. The lowest speed I can only hear if I put my ear to the unit. I'm not even sure there is a low fan speed- I may just be hearing the components hum. The medium setting I find noticeable but not a big deal since I usually have music or a podcast on when I'm working. The high setting definitely is distracting. Both of my units have a very faint high-pitched whine when the fan is spinning at high, slightly more noticeable on one unit than the other.

After all the setting up and updating is done, when you're just using it, the fan doesn't ramp up that often. And when it does turn on, it doesn't stay on medium or high speed for very long. It runs quiet 90-95% of the time for me. This is for regular web browsing and office apps, either on my lap or on my desk connected to a DisplayLink device driving two 1920x1200 displays and a bunch of peripherals. When it's on my desk it's on a stand that's open underneath to allow for ventilation.


Loose and rattling touchpad:
One of my units came with a loose touchpad that made a clicking sound when I tapped on it very lightly. Here's how to fix a loose touchpad on this unit: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv
Start with the photo that says "Removing the battery"


DisplayLink bug and installing drivers not pre-approved by HP:
If you have one of those popular DisplayLink USB 3.0 docking stations, there's a bug with Chrome's hardware acceleration mode that causes a lot of lag on screens that are driven by the DisplayLink device. To fix it, you need to install the latest Intel graphics driver. HP blocks the usual method of running the downloaded executable, so you will have to download the driver ZIP file and install it in Device Manager.
Intel graphics driver ZIP file: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...uct=197599
Special instructions for installing the driver (regular method won't work): https://www.intel.co.uk/content/w...ivers.html
You can follow those same instructions to install drivers that HP hasn't vetted and approved yet, when the executable driver installation file doesn't work.


Changing from Windows 10 Home S Mode to regular Windows 10 Home:
Instructions here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-of-s-mode
Also, the BIOS it came with is F.04, which looks like the most current version. I downloaded the BIOS update from the HP website and installed it anyway for good measure. After I did that, it reverted my Windows installation back to S Mode and I could not get it to switch out of S mode. I had to reset Windows and then I was able to switch it out of S mode again. https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-reinstall
One major concern with this issue is that future BIOS updates may have the same bug, and setting up Windows all over again after having used the computer for a while may be a lot of work.


Costco Price Adjustment:
If you bought this laptop at $400 before it went on sale today for $280, Costco won't do a price adjustment for you because this sale is part of their holiday promo book and those items are limited to availability. So you'll have to buy a new one at the lower price and do a return with the previous $400 receipt. You can actually return the new unopened one you just bought using the old receipt.


Chase Freedom Card 5% Cash Back if used via Chase Pay connected to Samsung Pay:
If buying in-store and a) you have a Chase Freedom Card and b) you have Samsung Pay:
1) Activate the Q4 2019 bonus categories, which are a) department stores, b) PayPal, and c) Chase Pay
https://creditcards.chase.com/fre...cards/home
2) Connect your Freedom Card to Chase Pay
3) Connect Chase Pay to Samsung Pay
4) Connect your Freedom Card to Samsung Pay through Chase Pay. You can't just enter the card number directly into Samsung Pay.
5) Pay for your purchase using Samsung Pay. Be sure to select your Chase Freedom Card. You'll get 5% cash back.
kubavance
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You have clearly already checked out, and that's perfectly fine. I'm going to respond anyway to clear up what I consider to be some misconceptions regarding this $280 laptop. I'd hate for people to start second-guessing their purchase just because they read some negative comments.

I'm not going to make assumptions about how much you know about modern processors, so I'll just mention some basics. Ever since the invention of turbo boosting, pretty much all processors "throttle" under load. The CPU uses a complicated algorithm to determine which frequency each core should run at in any given moment. The algorithm takes into account power limits and temperature sensor data and the duration of heavy workloads, among other things.

Intel and to a lesser extent the device manufacturer can set power limits for the processor to make sure the processor can run safely in a given chassis. These are known as PL1 and PL2. The CPU can only run in PL2 for a limited time (we're talking seconds or minutes) before it has to throttle back to PL1 to maintain reasonable temperatures. From my very limited testing, it would appear that PL2 for this laptop is set at around 26W, and PL1 is around 18W. Remember, this is a 15W processor.

The new Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 has the Core i7 version of the same Ice Lake processor found in this HP, only its configured for 25W. This means that the Dell chassis has theoretically been designed to dissipate at least 10W more of heat. It's also an $1,800 laptop with 16GB of memory. It should have a huge advantage. According to notebookcheck's review (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Del...573.0.html), the Dell XPS 13 achieves a high score of ~830 the first several times you run Cinebench R15 before thermal soak sets in (meaning it gets capped to PL1), after which it scores about 660 consistently.

I just ran Cinebench R15 about 10 times in a row on my HP 14 and got about 580 consistently (first run was about 600). CPU power held steady at 18W and temperatures hovered around 75 degrees Celsius. That's not throttling--that's working as designed.

Are you really that disappointed that your $280 laptop (with a HUGE RAM disadvantage) only scores within 10-15% of an $1800 Dell?
SociableMusic247
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This one has g4 graphics and the 399$ one is a g1 - no upgrade can fix that.
120 $ can buy more than a 256 gb SSD and 4 gigs og RAM.
Also note that this has a better wifi module...

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Nov 08, 2019 09:52 PM
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KamijouTouma10032Nov 08, 2019 09:52 PM
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The one we purchased in store says i5-1035g4 on it.
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Nov 08, 2019 10:03 PM
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Quote from jackt :
Intel's production problems for these 10nm Ice Lake chips are well publicized. I bet they spec'd this system with the entry-level i3, but at the last minute couldn't supply them in quantity so they gave HP these i5 chips with upgraded graphics. That's the only way to explain this CPU with such little memory and storage (and slow non-NVMe storage as well), all the marketing materials & websites showing the i3, but the box showing the i5 and the Iris Graphics software pre-installed (the i3 didn't have Iris Graphics).

Please do report back once you've tested the USB-C port.

If you look my post #86, the attached picture I took from the task manager, you can see under the GPU 0 it says something like Intel(R) Iris(R) Plus Gra...

I didn't think much to try to see what the Graphics specs were, but the spec for the i5-1035G4 is well published, and I can't imagine anyone getting this CPU isn't getting a standard i5-1035G4...
Nov 08, 2019 10:10 PM
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DelightfulNose8839Nov 08, 2019 10:10 PM
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Bought this for a relative and just finished updates. Seems like the fan runs all the time. Often it runs fast and loud. Bios says 'fan always on' is disabled. Did I get a dud or is this just normal. I have been using finless Macs for a while and maybe I forgot.
Nov 08, 2019 10:12 PM
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giantbruinNov 08, 2019 10:12 PM
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What's the battery life like on these?
Nov 08, 2019 10:15 PM
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jacktNov 08, 2019 10:15 PM
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Quote from Penguina :
If you look my post #86, the attached picture I took from the task manager, you can see under the GPU 0 it says something like Intel(R) Iris(R) Plus Gra...

I didn't think much to try to see what the Graphics specs were, but the spec for the i5-1035G4 is well published, and I can't imagine anyone getting this CPU isn't getting a standard i5-1035G4...
O yeah I fully agree that we all got the i5-1035G4, and I doubt they modified it somehow to match performance to the low price point. Just speculating on how/why it ended up in these systems, because this model was definitely originally slated to get the i3/G1.

If you open up the Intel graphics software it says Iris Graphics in big letters as well.
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FeAr3dNov 08, 2019 11:20 PM
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Quote from jackt :
Intel's production problems for these 10nm Ice Lake chips are well publicized. I bet they spec'd this system with the entry-level i3, but at the last minute couldn't supply them in quantity so they gave HP these i5 chips with upgraded graphics. That's the only way to explain this CPU with such little memory and storage (and slow non-NVMe storage as well), all the marketing materials & websites showing the i3, but the box showing the i5 and the Iris Graphics software pre-installed (the i3 didn't have Iris Graphics).

Please do report back once you've tested the USB-C port.
This was my thought too - but wouldn't they just bin them as i3's? I can't imagine HP is paying more for them if they have to market it is an i3. Intel not usually know for their charity
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ruinedbird9Nov 08, 2019 11:58 PM
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Just returned mine this morning.

The ips fhd screen looks pathetic, worse than some TN panels I own.

Now I asked my friend who has Costco membership to get me one.

Of course, he gets one too

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Nov 09, 2019 12:13 AM
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Jonathan2396Nov 09, 2019 12:13 AM
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damn, no way to get this from outside US? this looks so GOOOD!
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irvdabirdNov 09, 2019 12:14 AM
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Quote from jackt :
... Memory:
There are 2 upgradable SODIMM slots. No DRAM is soldered to the motherboard. The laptop comes with a single 4GB SODIMM, and 1 empty slot. I installed Crucial 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR4 2666 MT/s (PC4-21300) SR x8 SODIMM 260-Pin Memory - CT2K8G4SFS8266 and it works well. The Crucial website actually recommends DDR4 3200, but the 4GB SODIMM that came with the laptop is DDR4 2666.
Hi, you seem like an advanced user so I'm hoping to pick your brain. Crucial site says "Maximum Memory: 32GB, not to exceed manufacturer supported memory." Does this mean the laptop can actually support 16GB x 2? Or is that overkill and your choice 16gb kit is really optimal? Thanks.
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jacktNov 09, 2019 12:25 AM
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Quote from irvdabird :
Hi, you seem like an advanced user so I'm hoping to pick your brain. Crucial site says "Maximum Memory: 32GB, not to exceed manufacturer supported memory." Does this mean the laptop can actually support 16GB x 2? Or is that overkill and your choice 16gb kit is really optimal? Thanks.
Yes I think you can probably put 2x16GB in it unless there's some unknown restriction placed on total memory in the system. However, for most regular home users 32GB is probably overkill. People who actually need 32GB of RAM for their work will usually have much more powerful systems than this one.

8GB is likely enough for most home users. I opted to spend a little more to get 16GB total just in case it comes in handy on occasion. Seemed worth it for an extra $30+. Never really considered 32GB because I couldn't imagine when I'd need more than 16GB for the expected life of this computer, and 32GB does cost quite a bit more.
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GeorgeENov 09, 2019 12:26 AM
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Quote from RifVega :
Windows 10 S Mode, what is that, a limitation?

Also, I'm curious about i3, anybody know the battery performance, how many hours can it last with average use?


see You tube video

How to Switch Out of S Mode in Windows 10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwqqexPTRCQ
Nov 09, 2019 12:32 AM
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yakk0Nov 09, 2019 12:32 AM
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Thanks for everyone's input on this deal. Planning to return my i5 G1 that I got from Costco earlier this week. After upgrading I can get double the RAM and storage at same cost.
Nov 09, 2019 12:38 AM
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jacktNov 09, 2019 12:38 AM
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Quote from henny :
Thanks. Just came back from Costco and decided against it. I really didn't like the trackpad and keyboard. The trackpad makes a rattle sound just from a light tap. That would drive me nuts over time. It also seems like the display is not as nice as I thought it would be.

It also seemed a little sluggish but who knows what kind of crap is on their demo machine.

All in all I think it's excellent value for an entry level laptop.
I have 2 of these laptops and just checked the trackpads after reading your comment. On the one I've been using for about a week, the trackpad is definitely loose and makes a sound when I do a light tap on it (i.e. not tapping hard enough to click the physical button). It's like a rattle. On the other one that just got unboxed two days ago, it doesn't have that when I tap lightly on the touchpad. I'm guessing it'll develop the same issue in a few days though.

I'm not super surprised given the price point, but it does make me reconsider whether I should keep it.
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While we're talking about upgrading, I would like to know the exact spec of the hard drive that
I would need to locate to upgrade from the existing 128GB to something larger.

I am kind of new on this class of hard drive (SSD and form factor), I'm still stuck with SATA3 2.5inch SSD on all my desktops.

Can someone give me some tips? So far my understanding is that
I would need M.2 NVME SSD; is it 2280? What key? (B & M etc, Not applicable?)
and are there existing heatsink / thermal paste already applied to the factory SSD that need removal/ repasting?

I guess my second question would be I would need then to figure out a way to "clone" the existing HD (external closure needed?) or maybe would be easiest to just make a Win 10 USB thumb drive somehow -- maybe make a re-install USB stick from Win 10 and just reinstall with new larger SSD..


Thanks for the answers in advance.

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jacktNov 09, 2019 12:56 AM
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Quote from Penguina :
While we're talking about upgrading, I would like to know the exact spec of the hard drive that
I would need to locate to upgrade from the existing 128GB to something larger.

I am kind of new on this class of hard drive (SSD and form factor), I'm still stuck with SATA3 2.5inch SSD on all my desktops.

Can someone give me some tips? So far my understanding is that
I would need M.2 NVME SSD; is it 2280? What key? (B & M etc, Not applicable?)
and are there existing heatsink / thermal paste already applied to the factory SSD that need removal/ repasting?

I guess my second question would be I would need then to figure out a way to "clone" the existing HD (external closure needed?) or maybe would be easiest to just make a Win 10 USB thumb drive somehow -- maybe make a re-install USB stick from Win 10 and just reinstall with new larger SSD..


Thanks for the answers in advance.
I posted about upgrading the NVMe drive in detail, but it is several pages back so you probably didn't spot it:
https://slickdeals.net/f/13524451-hp-laptop-intel-core-i3-1005g1-14-1080p-ips-4gb-ddr4-128gb-ssd-win-10-s-279-99-free-shipping-costco?v=1&p=131670541#post131670541

You can use an M.2 SATA drive or an M.2 NVMe drive. It is a 2280 slot. If you use a shorter card, you will need an adapter to hold it in place. But most drives come in 2280 size anyway. There is no heatsink or thermal paste used for the SSD- it's sort of like installing SODIMM memory upgrades. You just need a small philips-head screwdriver.

I ended up having to reinstall Windows on the new drive using the Windows Recovery thumb drive I had created earlier. Macrium Reflect didn't work, although I should have tried using Macrium Reflect a different way.

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