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Costco Members: HP 14" Laptop: i3-1005G1, 4GB DDR4, 128GB SSD, Win 10 S

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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jackt
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I've already opened up and upgraded this laptop.


Removing the back cover to do upgrades:
There are 8 Philips-head screws altogether, all on the back cover. 4 of them are underneath the two rubber strips. The rubber strips are attached using double-sided tape with a strong adhesive, so be careful when removing them and try not to separate the tape from the rubber strip. Tip from @msk12: Heat up and loosen the adhesive before removing the rubber feet. I haven't done this before, but maybe a blow dryer or a cloth bag filled with microwaved uncooked rice would work. You don't need to completely remove the rubber strips- just peel back enough to expose the screws. There is an image of all the screw locations in the link below. Also be careful not to pull outward or pull very hard, as you'll stretch the rubber strip that way. Just very slowly but firmly pull it upward, almost as if you are rolling it off. You'll need a pretty thin plastic spudger to detach all the clips holding the bottom cover to the laptop. A credit card may be too thick. Photos of the inside of the laptop, the inside of the back cover, the screw locations, and where to use the spudger to remove the back cover: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv


CPU:
The CPU is indeed an i5-1035G4. I got two of them in Los Angeles and both have this CPU. At first I couldn't believe it, but I ran CPU-Z and it's definitely confirmed. On 11/15/19 two people confirmed that they received units with the same model number but with the i3 CPU. The side of the box will say which CPU is in the box- there are some posts in this thread showing a picture of the label on the side of the box. When buying at the warehouse, I recommend going to the merchandise pickup window first and asking to see the side of the box to confirm that it has the i5 CPU. Then ask them nicely to hold that box for a few minutes while you go pay for it at checkout.

One point of concern is that in the pre-installed HP Support Assistant app as well as on the motherboard it says "model number 14-dq1033cl". The spec sheet for that model on the HP website says the CPU is an Intel® Core™ i3-1005G1. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06463284 Not sure what would happen if this computer needs a warranty motherboard/CPU replacement. if you check Windows System Information for the model number, it says "HP Laptop 14-dq1xxx".

Intel has had a lot of production problems with these 10nm Ice Lake chips. My theory on why this system has this upgraded CPU is that at the last minute Intel had trouble supplying the lower-end i3 chips so they or HP decided to just use these i5 chips so they can meet Costco's delivery expectations. HP would not normally pair this CPU with such little memory and slow SATA storage.


Integrated Graphics:
The new Ice Lake CPUs come with 3 integrated graphics options, as indicated by the last 2 characters in the CPU's model number:
- G1, basic
- G4, intermediate
- G7, highest level

G4 and G7 are labeled Iris Plus Graphics. This model has G4 graphics.


Storage:
The laptop comes with a M.2 SATA interface SSD, but I replaced it with a HP EX920 1TB NVMe SSD. The new SSD works just fine, so this laptop is compatible with NVMe drives. The easiest way to put Windows on a new SSD drive would be:
1) create a recovery thumb drive from the laptop itself, within Windows. Start menu > Recovery Drive
2) Swap out the SSD
3) Boot up to the USB drive. Just insert the thumb drive and turn on the laptop. It'll boot from the USB drive when it can't find an operating system on your new SSD drive.
4) Restore windows to the new SSD drive from the USB drive.

There are a number of posts in this thread with instructions on how to do a clean installation of Windows, which would install Windows without the bloatware that came with the laptop. It's easy to get stuck in a Catch-22 using this method, where you need to connect to the internet to exit S Mode before you can install the WiFi driver and all the other drivers, but you can't exit S Mode or connect to the internet until you've installed the WiFi driver. If you want to go this route, be sure to read the thread carefully and have a plan for installing the WiFi driver.

There is a space next to the battery where a 2.5" drive would fit, but if you look at the photo I attached of the inside of the back cover you'll see that there's a lattice-like grid on it to give that empty space some rigidity. I haven't tried, but it looks like you cannot put a 2.5" drive there.


Memory:
There are 2 upgradable SODIMM slots. No DRAM is soldered to the motherboard. The laptop comes with a single 4GB SODIMM, and 1 empty slot. I installed Crucial 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR4 2666 MT/s (PC4-21300) SR x8 SODIMM 260-Pin Memory - CT2K8G4SFS8266 and it works well. The Crucial website actually recommends DDR4 3200, but the 4GB SODIMM that came with the laptop is DDR4 2666.


WiFi/Bluetooth - Support for WiFi 6:
The laptop comes with a Realtek RTL8822CE 2x2 WiFi AC + BT 5 module. They're used in a lot of laptops, including models that are much more expensive than this one. However, there are definitely more complaints about problems with the Realtek wireless cards compared to the Intel cards on the HP support forums, so I decided to switch to an Intel card since I had the laptop opened up anyway. This laptop will work with an Intel WiFi AX200 WiFi 6 + Bluetooth 5 module. You're gonna need to have the AX200 driver on a thumb drive before you install the WiFi module, as you won't be able to connect to the internet to download the new driver after you replace the Realtek module that came with the laptop. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...Fi-6-AX200


No USB-C charging or DisplayPort/HDMI output via USB-C:
As per the specs, the USB-C port doesn't have Power Delivery or Extended USB-C capabilities (namely DisplayPort & HDMI output). So essentially the USB-C port functions like a regular USB 3.0 Type-A port. Someone in this thread tested this and confirmed that this model has no charging or video output through the USB-C port.


Fan noise:
I've been using two of these laptops for several days now. I'm pretty sensitive to fan noise because my prior laptop has a very quiet fan, even at its highest speed. The fan on this HP seems to have two or three speeds. The lowest speed I can only hear if I put my ear to the unit. I'm not even sure there is a low fan speed- I may just be hearing the components hum. The medium setting I find noticeable but not a big deal since I usually have music or a podcast on when I'm working. The high setting definitely is distracting. Both of my units have a very faint high-pitched whine when the fan is spinning at high, slightly more noticeable on one unit than the other.

After all the setting up and updating is done, when you're just using it, the fan doesn't ramp up that often. And when it does turn on, it doesn't stay on medium or high speed for very long. It runs quiet 90-95% of the time for me. This is for regular web browsing and office apps, either on my lap or on my desk connected to a DisplayLink device driving two 1920x1200 displays and a bunch of peripherals. When it's on my desk it's on a stand that's open underneath to allow for ventilation.


Loose and rattling touchpad:
One of my units came with a loose touchpad that made a clicking sound when I tapped on it very lightly. Here's how to fix a loose touchpad on this unit: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv
Start with the photo that says "Removing the battery"


DisplayLink bug and installing drivers not pre-approved by HP:
If you have one of those popular DisplayLink USB 3.0 docking stations, there's a bug with Chrome's hardware acceleration mode that causes a lot of lag on screens that are driven by the DisplayLink device. To fix it, you need to install the latest Intel graphics driver. HP blocks the usual method of running the downloaded executable, so you will have to download the driver ZIP file and install it in Device Manager.
Intel graphics driver ZIP file: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...uct=197599
Special instructions for installing the driver (regular method won't work): https://www.intel.co.uk/content/w...ivers.html
You can follow those same instructions to install drivers that HP hasn't vetted and approved yet, when the executable driver installation file doesn't work.


Changing from Windows 10 Home S Mode to regular Windows 10 Home:
Instructions here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-of-s-mode
Also, the BIOS it came with is F.04, which looks like the most current version. I downloaded the BIOS update from the HP website and installed it anyway for good measure. After I did that, it reverted my Windows installation back to S Mode and I could not get it to switch out of S mode. I had to reset Windows and then I was able to switch it out of S mode again. https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-reinstall
One major concern with this issue is that future BIOS updates may have the same bug, and setting up Windows all over again after having used the computer for a while may be a lot of work.


Costco Price Adjustment:
If you bought this laptop at $400 before it went on sale today for $280, Costco won't do a price adjustment for you because this sale is part of their holiday promo book and those items are limited to availability. So you'll have to buy a new one at the lower price and do a return with the previous $400 receipt. You can actually return the new unopened one you just bought using the old receipt.


Chase Freedom Card 5% Cash Back if used via Chase Pay connected to Samsung Pay:
If buying in-store and a) you have a Chase Freedom Card and b) you have Samsung Pay:
1) Activate the Q4 2019 bonus categories, which are a) department stores, b) PayPal, and c) Chase Pay
https://creditcards.chase.com/fre...cards/home
2) Connect your Freedom Card to Chase Pay
3) Connect Chase Pay to Samsung Pay
4) Connect your Freedom Card to Samsung Pay through Chase Pay. You can't just enter the card number directly into Samsung Pay.
5) Pay for your purchase using Samsung Pay. Be sure to select your Chase Freedom Card. You'll get 5% cash back.
kubavance
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You have clearly already checked out, and that's perfectly fine. I'm going to respond anyway to clear up what I consider to be some misconceptions regarding this $280 laptop. I'd hate for people to start second-guessing their purchase just because they read some negative comments.

I'm not going to make assumptions about how much you know about modern processors, so I'll just mention some basics. Ever since the invention of turbo boosting, pretty much all processors "throttle" under load. The CPU uses a complicated algorithm to determine which frequency each core should run at in any given moment. The algorithm takes into account power limits and temperature sensor data and the duration of heavy workloads, among other things.

Intel and to a lesser extent the device manufacturer can set power limits for the processor to make sure the processor can run safely in a given chassis. These are known as PL1 and PL2. The CPU can only run in PL2 for a limited time (we're talking seconds or minutes) before it has to throttle back to PL1 to maintain reasonable temperatures. From my very limited testing, it would appear that PL2 for this laptop is set at around 26W, and PL1 is around 18W. Remember, this is a 15W processor.

The new Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 has the Core i7 version of the same Ice Lake processor found in this HP, only its configured for 25W. This means that the Dell chassis has theoretically been designed to dissipate at least 10W more of heat. It's also an $1,800 laptop with 16GB of memory. It should have a huge advantage. According to notebookcheck's review (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Del...573.0.html), the Dell XPS 13 achieves a high score of ~830 the first several times you run Cinebench R15 before thermal soak sets in (meaning it gets capped to PL1), after which it scores about 660 consistently.

I just ran Cinebench R15 about 10 times in a row on my HP 14 and got about 580 consistently (first run was about 600). CPU power held steady at 18W and temperatures hovered around 75 degrees Celsius. That's not throttling--that's working as designed.

Are you really that disappointed that your $280 laptop (with a HUGE RAM disadvantage) only scores within 10-15% of an $1800 Dell?
SociableMusic247
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This one has g4 graphics and the 399$ one is a g1 - no upgrade can fix that.
120 $ can buy more than a 256 gb SSD and 4 gigs og RAM.
Also note that this has a better wifi module...

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JoshBuyingNov 12, 2019 05:23 PM
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Mine is "Out For Delivery" today. Hoping it shows up with the i5 or off to Costco for an exchange.
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blueknobNov 12, 2019 05:32 PM
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Quote from Love10012 :
Are any online orders being processed anymore? Did one yesterday, cancelled in an hour. Trying again now. Can't get to a store anytime soon - not too close here. Frown
Costco's website sucks. Who the hell designs a site where you can go through the entire purchase process and then it gives you a page not found which you're supposed to know means it's out of stock? LMAO
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SydelleNov 12, 2019 05:34 PM
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Quote from jackt :
Yes I have that setup. Just look for a USB 3.0 docking station. They have a few monitor outputs, audio out, ethernet, and a bunch of USB 2 and 3 ports.

Note: you cannot use a USB-C hub or docking station. Those require that your USB-C port can output video, which this one can't. So get the USB 3.0 one.
okay thank you very much ill take a look for a docking station on amazon
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akula1488Nov 12, 2019 05:37 PM
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Quote from blueknob :
Costco's website sucks. Who the hell designs a site where you can go through the entire purchase process and then it gives you a page not found which you're supposed to know means it's out of stock? LMAO
You are right it says page not found but if I do a reorder from existing order it still allows me to order another one. Whether it will be cancelled or not I don't know.
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dhonduNov 12, 2019 05:39 PM
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Ordered two of them on Sunday. Got delivered both of them with I 5 processor. Thanks OP
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wiffleNov 12, 2019 05:43 PM
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If I just wanted to match the stick of ram in there with an identical one or closest to it what is the best option? I only skipped about 20 pages of this thread and didn't see this question answered. Thanks.
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budsterNov 12, 2019 05:44 PM
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Quote from JMPopaleetus :
Use the Windows Media Creation Tool found here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../windows10

It will download and create an installation USB with the most up-to-date release of Windows 10 (1903). And it won't contain any bloatware that HP streamlined into their image. That said, make sure you have internet access available on a separate machine to download any necessary drivers.

And yes, you can create the media ahead of time, install your new drive, and go from there without ever touching HP's pre-installed SSD.
So what's the difference between using the Windows media creation tool on a USB drive vs creating a USB recovery drive to do a clean install?
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dveegNov 12, 2019 05:45 PM
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Quote from WIckedNews :
Get single stick of 16gb because if you need more later you can without wasting 3 sticks.
Thanks - would it operate as dual channel? SR or DR?
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Quote from budster :
This is a very interesting suggestion to move the browser cache folder to a ram drive. But I did not understand why you would move Firefox's profiles directory to a ram drive as well.

Aren't the browser cache folder and Firefox profiles two different things? According to the http://memory.dataram.com/__docum...AMDisk.pdf, changing the Firefox browser cache folder simply means specifying the setting for a browser.cache.disk.parent_directory preference. If you move the entire Firefox profile folder to a ram drive, won't you lose profile data like bookmarks, cookies, history, etc... each time you power down the laptop?

Basically here is what I did (say RAM drive is in DSmilie

When you first install firefox, select "custom install, then pick the Ramdrive as your destination

I custom installed firefox into "D:\firefox" directory

Then, you make a new directory say for your "profile" at "D:\profile" (that will contain your bookmarks, extensions, json files, browser cache, all the cookies.sqlite*, extension.* and whatever else that Foxfox will use

now, go to the shortcut for the firefox browser and change the target from
D:\firefox\firefox

to

"D:\firefox\firefox.exe -p d:\profile"

This tells that when you run the firefox software, it should start d:\profiles and look for profiles there (and not the usual spot on your c drive)

now, click on that shortcut and run it, and it's going to ask you what you want to do,
you now say "create a profile" (say "1"), then, you will be given a choice to tell firefox where that profile will reside, and answer "d:\profile"

Then after that, if you are successful in following the directions, you can see in your "resource manager" that firefox will be reading/writing disk stuff in your D:\profiles\*
which is basically your RAMDISK.

if you already have a profile, then you're going to have to go find it... it is usually something like

C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox
or
C:\ProgramData\Mozilla

if you have existing one, you can copy the existing profile (make a good copy, don't just cut and paste in case you mess up) and move it there, then tell Firefox where to find it.. it may take you a few tries... It may be easier just to create a new profile on the ramdisk until you get the hang of it.

You can tell your RAM Disk to autosave your profile when you shut down, but it should do it automatically. I do this on my Desktop, which is maybe rebooted once a month, so RAMDISK is savings huge amount of SSD thrashing.. You can just look at the file access log from the resource manager to see what firefox does all the time.
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WIckedNewsNov 12, 2019 05:55 PM
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Quote from dveeg :
Thanks - would it operate as dual channel? SR or DR?

I personally haven't confirmed it but some already have put one stick and seems gets a huge boost either way.


See post below

"Apr 24, 2017
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Generally speaking, you can install a second RAM stick and the RAM will operate in dual channel mode. I say generally, because it is recommended you purchase "matched pairs" RAM to guarantee the RAM will work in dual channel mode because they have been verified to do so. Having said that, the chances of using unmatched paired of RAM (or mix and match) and still operate in dual mode is pretty good.

My old Lenovo Ideapad Y470 only had a stick of Crucial 4GB RAM. My brother gave me a spare Kingston 2GB RAM stick which I installed it operated fine with no issues. I verified the RAM (a total of 6GB) was operating in dual channel mode by using a program called CPU-Z; in the memory tab the "Channels #" field stated "Dual" which meant the RAM was operating in dual channel mode. Prior to installing the 2GB stick of RAM, it stated "Single".

Typically speaking, you want both RAM sticks to be of the same capacity because that will give you the best performance. Especially if the RAM are matched pairs because they are guaranteed to work in dual channel mode with each other. However, mixing different RAM capacities is not the end of the world. There was an article I read couple of years ago (which is a lot more recent than the linked article above from 2004) which tested RAM used in dual channel mode. Basically, using unmatched pairs of different RAM capacities yielded about 95% the performance compared to using matched paired of RAM where both sticks are the same capacity.

Did I see an increase in gaming performance when I installed the 2GB stick of RAM into my Lenovo Ideapad Y470? No, but that is because it has the nVidia GT 550m GPU with it's own dedicated 2GB of VRAM."

https://forums.tomsguide.com/thre...am.139241/
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Still available online (stock may go in and out) and instore.
Not sure why deal is Expired.
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Quote from Sydelle :
okay thank you very much ill take a look for a docking station on amazon

Let me know which docking station usb3 you get.
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hennyNov 12, 2019 06:19 PM
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Stores generally have stock. This should not be marked dead.

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