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Costco Members: HP 14" Laptop: i3-1005G1, 4GB DDR4, 128GB SSD, Win 10 S

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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jackt
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I've already opened up and upgraded this laptop.


Removing the back cover to do upgrades:
There are 8 Philips-head screws altogether, all on the back cover. 4 of them are underneath the two rubber strips. The rubber strips are attached using double-sided tape with a strong adhesive, so be careful when removing them and try not to separate the tape from the rubber strip. Tip from @msk12: Heat up and loosen the adhesive before removing the rubber feet. I haven't done this before, but maybe a blow dryer or a cloth bag filled with microwaved uncooked rice would work. You don't need to completely remove the rubber strips- just peel back enough to expose the screws. There is an image of all the screw locations in the link below. Also be careful not to pull outward or pull very hard, as you'll stretch the rubber strip that way. Just very slowly but firmly pull it upward, almost as if you are rolling it off. You'll need a pretty thin plastic spudger to detach all the clips holding the bottom cover to the laptop. A credit card may be too thick. Photos of the inside of the laptop, the inside of the back cover, the screw locations, and where to use the spudger to remove the back cover: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv


CPU:
The CPU is indeed an i5-1035G4. I got two of them in Los Angeles and both have this CPU. At first I couldn't believe it, but I ran CPU-Z and it's definitely confirmed. On 11/15/19 two people confirmed that they received units with the same model number but with the i3 CPU. The side of the box will say which CPU is in the box- there are some posts in this thread showing a picture of the label on the side of the box. When buying at the warehouse, I recommend going to the merchandise pickup window first and asking to see the side of the box to confirm that it has the i5 CPU. Then ask them nicely to hold that box for a few minutes while you go pay for it at checkout.

One point of concern is that in the pre-installed HP Support Assistant app as well as on the motherboard it says "model number 14-dq1033cl". The spec sheet for that model on the HP website says the CPU is an Intel® Core™ i3-1005G1. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06463284 Not sure what would happen if this computer needs a warranty motherboard/CPU replacement. if you check Windows System Information for the model number, it says "HP Laptop 14-dq1xxx".

Intel has had a lot of production problems with these 10nm Ice Lake chips. My theory on why this system has this upgraded CPU is that at the last minute Intel had trouble supplying the lower-end i3 chips so they or HP decided to just use these i5 chips so they can meet Costco's delivery expectations. HP would not normally pair this CPU with such little memory and slow SATA storage.


Integrated Graphics:
The new Ice Lake CPUs come with 3 integrated graphics options, as indicated by the last 2 characters in the CPU's model number:
- G1, basic
- G4, intermediate
- G7, highest level

G4 and G7 are labeled Iris Plus Graphics. This model has G4 graphics.


Storage:
The laptop comes with a M.2 SATA interface SSD, but I replaced it with a HP EX920 1TB NVMe SSD. The new SSD works just fine, so this laptop is compatible with NVMe drives. The easiest way to put Windows on a new SSD drive would be:
1) create a recovery thumb drive from the laptop itself, within Windows. Start menu > Recovery Drive
2) Swap out the SSD
3) Boot up to the USB drive. Just insert the thumb drive and turn on the laptop. It'll boot from the USB drive when it can't find an operating system on your new SSD drive.
4) Restore windows to the new SSD drive from the USB drive.

There are a number of posts in this thread with instructions on how to do a clean installation of Windows, which would install Windows without the bloatware that came with the laptop. It's easy to get stuck in a Catch-22 using this method, where you need to connect to the internet to exit S Mode before you can install the WiFi driver and all the other drivers, but you can't exit S Mode or connect to the internet until you've installed the WiFi driver. If you want to go this route, be sure to read the thread carefully and have a plan for installing the WiFi driver.

There is a space next to the battery where a 2.5" drive would fit, but if you look at the photo I attached of the inside of the back cover you'll see that there's a lattice-like grid on it to give that empty space some rigidity. I haven't tried, but it looks like you cannot put a 2.5" drive there.


Memory:
There are 2 upgradable SODIMM slots. No DRAM is soldered to the motherboard. The laptop comes with a single 4GB SODIMM, and 1 empty slot. I installed Crucial 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR4 2666 MT/s (PC4-21300) SR x8 SODIMM 260-Pin Memory - CT2K8G4SFS8266 and it works well. The Crucial website actually recommends DDR4 3200, but the 4GB SODIMM that came with the laptop is DDR4 2666.


WiFi/Bluetooth - Support for WiFi 6:
The laptop comes with a Realtek RTL8822CE 2x2 WiFi AC + BT 5 module. They're used in a lot of laptops, including models that are much more expensive than this one. However, there are definitely more complaints about problems with the Realtek wireless cards compared to the Intel cards on the HP support forums, so I decided to switch to an Intel card since I had the laptop opened up anyway. This laptop will work with an Intel WiFi AX200 WiFi 6 + Bluetooth 5 module. You're gonna need to have the AX200 driver on a thumb drive before you install the WiFi module, as you won't be able to connect to the internet to download the new driver after you replace the Realtek module that came with the laptop. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...Fi-6-AX200


No USB-C charging or DisplayPort/HDMI output via USB-C:
As per the specs, the USB-C port doesn't have Power Delivery or Extended USB-C capabilities (namely DisplayPort & HDMI output). So essentially the USB-C port functions like a regular USB 3.0 Type-A port. Someone in this thread tested this and confirmed that this model has no charging or video output through the USB-C port.


Fan noise:
I've been using two of these laptops for several days now. I'm pretty sensitive to fan noise because my prior laptop has a very quiet fan, even at its highest speed. The fan on this HP seems to have two or three speeds. The lowest speed I can only hear if I put my ear to the unit. I'm not even sure there is a low fan speed- I may just be hearing the components hum. The medium setting I find noticeable but not a big deal since I usually have music or a podcast on when I'm working. The high setting definitely is distracting. Both of my units have a very faint high-pitched whine when the fan is spinning at high, slightly more noticeable on one unit than the other.

After all the setting up and updating is done, when you're just using it, the fan doesn't ramp up that often. And when it does turn on, it doesn't stay on medium or high speed for very long. It runs quiet 90-95% of the time for me. This is for regular web browsing and office apps, either on my lap or on my desk connected to a DisplayLink device driving two 1920x1200 displays and a bunch of peripherals. When it's on my desk it's on a stand that's open underneath to allow for ventilation.


Loose and rattling touchpad:
One of my units came with a loose touchpad that made a clicking sound when I tapped on it very lightly. Here's how to fix a loose touchpad on this unit: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv
Start with the photo that says "Removing the battery"


DisplayLink bug and installing drivers not pre-approved by HP:
If you have one of those popular DisplayLink USB 3.0 docking stations, there's a bug with Chrome's hardware acceleration mode that causes a lot of lag on screens that are driven by the DisplayLink device. To fix it, you need to install the latest Intel graphics driver. HP blocks the usual method of running the downloaded executable, so you will have to download the driver ZIP file and install it in Device Manager.
Intel graphics driver ZIP file: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...uct=197599
Special instructions for installing the driver (regular method won't work): https://www.intel.co.uk/content/w...ivers.html
You can follow those same instructions to install drivers that HP hasn't vetted and approved yet, when the executable driver installation file doesn't work.


Changing from Windows 10 Home S Mode to regular Windows 10 Home:
Instructions here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-of-s-mode
Also, the BIOS it came with is F.04, which looks like the most current version. I downloaded the BIOS update from the HP website and installed it anyway for good measure. After I did that, it reverted my Windows installation back to S Mode and I could not get it to switch out of S mode. I had to reset Windows and then I was able to switch it out of S mode again. https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-reinstall
One major concern with this issue is that future BIOS updates may have the same bug, and setting up Windows all over again after having used the computer for a while may be a lot of work.


Costco Price Adjustment:
If you bought this laptop at $400 before it went on sale today for $280, Costco won't do a price adjustment for you because this sale is part of their holiday promo book and those items are limited to availability. So you'll have to buy a new one at the lower price and do a return with the previous $400 receipt. You can actually return the new unopened one you just bought using the old receipt.


Chase Freedom Card 5% Cash Back if used via Chase Pay connected to Samsung Pay:
If buying in-store and a) you have a Chase Freedom Card and b) you have Samsung Pay:
1) Activate the Q4 2019 bonus categories, which are a) department stores, b) PayPal, and c) Chase Pay
https://creditcards.chase.com/fre...cards/home
2) Connect your Freedom Card to Chase Pay
3) Connect Chase Pay to Samsung Pay
4) Connect your Freedom Card to Samsung Pay through Chase Pay. You can't just enter the card number directly into Samsung Pay.
5) Pay for your purchase using Samsung Pay. Be sure to select your Chase Freedom Card. You'll get 5% cash back.
kubavance
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You have clearly already checked out, and that's perfectly fine. I'm going to respond anyway to clear up what I consider to be some misconceptions regarding this $280 laptop. I'd hate for people to start second-guessing their purchase just because they read some negative comments.

I'm not going to make assumptions about how much you know about modern processors, so I'll just mention some basics. Ever since the invention of turbo boosting, pretty much all processors "throttle" under load. The CPU uses a complicated algorithm to determine which frequency each core should run at in any given moment. The algorithm takes into account power limits and temperature sensor data and the duration of heavy workloads, among other things.

Intel and to a lesser extent the device manufacturer can set power limits for the processor to make sure the processor can run safely in a given chassis. These are known as PL1 and PL2. The CPU can only run in PL2 for a limited time (we're talking seconds or minutes) before it has to throttle back to PL1 to maintain reasonable temperatures. From my very limited testing, it would appear that PL2 for this laptop is set at around 26W, and PL1 is around 18W. Remember, this is a 15W processor.

The new Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 has the Core i7 version of the same Ice Lake processor found in this HP, only its configured for 25W. This means that the Dell chassis has theoretically been designed to dissipate at least 10W more of heat. It's also an $1,800 laptop with 16GB of memory. It should have a huge advantage. According to notebookcheck's review (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Del...573.0.html), the Dell XPS 13 achieves a high score of ~830 the first several times you run Cinebench R15 before thermal soak sets in (meaning it gets capped to PL1), after which it scores about 660 consistently.

I just ran Cinebench R15 about 10 times in a row on my HP 14 and got about 580 consistently (first run was about 600). CPU power held steady at 18W and temperatures hovered around 75 degrees Celsius. That's not throttling--that's working as designed.

Are you really that disappointed that your $280 laptop (with a HUGE RAM disadvantage) only scores within 10-15% of an $1800 Dell?
SociableMusic247
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This one has g4 graphics and the 399$ one is a g1 - no upgrade can fix that.
120 $ can buy more than a 256 gb SSD and 4 gigs og RAM.
Also note that this has a better wifi module...

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Nov 15, 2019 05:40 AM
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bers817Nov 15, 2019 05:40 AM
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Quote from ILIKEITSLICK :
Rattling on keyboard does go way after couple of days and fresh install helped me to solve the fan noise
Have you figured out how to make two finger scrolling work on the track-pad?

Edit: Never mind, just needed a driver.
Last edited by bers817 November 14, 2019 at 09:53 PM.
Nov 15, 2019 05:59 AM
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dealsslick2006Nov 15, 2019 05:59 AM
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Quote from slt1010 :
hows the status of fan now?
the fan did come up at low speed sometimes, so not as quiet as the same HP one I bought at last year's costco deal. But my work laptop (DELL Latitude E7450) has a low fan running as well, so I guess we have to live with it.
Nov 15, 2019 06:03 AM
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dealsslick2006Nov 15, 2019 06:03 AM
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Quote from ILIKEITSLICK :
Rattling on keyboard does go way after couple of days and fresh install helped me to solve the fan noise
can you elaborate more on fresh install? did you mean fresh install of windows? Can you pleaase provide step-by-step instructions? Thanks
Nov 15, 2019 06:03 AM
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jacewtNov 15, 2019 06:03 AM
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So, I upgraded the drive, 500gb, one recommended on this thread. I got 1 crucial 16 gb stick. I don't have benchmark software, so I can't tell you what that is like, but it feels snappier than my surface pro 4! I miss the touch screen, but half the time I am not using it anyway.

Upgrades were fairly easy, when you reboot with a new drive, give the machine time. It didn't turn on right away and it freaked me out. It took a couple of minutes and then it loaded to an error screen. I was then booting using a 1903 rufus made usb stick. Installed that and found an old usb wifi adapter that had me logging in and downloading properly. Windows figured out all the drivers that way. I am still updating the computer through Windows update.

I also did the trackpad mod, while you're adjusting that, make sure you test out the feel on the trackpad and that it still clicks. I made mine unusuable by bending it too much. I used a thin piece of rubber instead of the electrical tape. It is now silent on tapping and a decent click but it's not rattling at all.

I am not bothered by the fan but I am usually watching tv and using one bluetooth earbud while using it. I am very happy with my purchase! I am going to load up my software because I can!
Nov 15, 2019 06:05 AM
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spextarNov 15, 2019 06:05 AM
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Quote from MoisesA7010 :
just curious, were you looking for $500-1000 laptop build quality on a $280 laptop that has 10,000 passmark score
Update:
I am glad I waited, and didn't simply return the laptop today. I read some of the posts mentioned in the wiki and the suggestions there fixed the touchpad rattling issue, as well as the fan noise issue. The fan still comes on occasionally, however, it's not as loud, and it's not all the time.

Although I bought the laptop for someone who wouldn't really care about these things as much as I do, I feel good knowing the issues are mostly resolved.

Thanks to all for their contribution.
Nov 15, 2019 06:10 AM
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spextarNov 15, 2019 06:10 AM
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Here's my suggestion if you are removing the back of the laptop - do not use heat to loosen the rubber feet. It will soften the feet and when you pull them, it will stretch it. Simply pull from one side slowly.
Nov 15, 2019 06:11 AM
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moremoolaNov 15, 2019 06:11 AM
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Quote from spextar :
However - everyone having rattling touchpad is by poor design. Even the cheapest laptop should be usable - and a touchpad that makes rattling noise when you scroll is unacceptable.

Same goes for the fan - it's on all the time - and then if you even try the smallest task, it goes into turbo mode. All I can say is poor design.
Everyone? You've taken a poll? Myself and others on here have none of those problems right out of the box.

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Nov 15, 2019 06:13 AM
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spextarNov 15, 2019 06:13 AM
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Quote from moremoola :
Everyone? You've taken a poll? Myself and others on here have none of those problems right out of the box.
Ok - may be not everyone, but many here did. Either way, I used the suggestions in one of the posts and fixed the rattle and fan issues.
Nov 15, 2019 06:14 AM
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gooface89Nov 15, 2019 06:14 AM
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Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe works great with this laptop, not sure what issue the other poster in that thread was talking about, (maybe his was DOA?) Got windows 10 1909 Pro installed on it without any issue.

Anyways, Mine is running super smoothly with the AX200 wifi, extra 8GB of that crucial 2666mhz ram, and the Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe drive posted here.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...UTF8&psc=1

The wifi card isnt needed but I am sorta anti any wifi card non-intel (since they are the gold standard in the wifi world) and since this laptop doesnt have built in Ethernet why not upgrade the wifi to the best option currently available? (and for only $20 too)

(I repasted the cpu while I was in there with some MX-4, not sure if made much of a difference but that HP stock tape crap is garbage so anything has to be better than that)
Last edited by gooface89 November 14, 2019 at 10:27 PM.
Nov 15, 2019 06:16 AM
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moremoolaNov 15, 2019 06:16 AM
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Quote from zoomingrocket :
Man the fan noise, this is too much! Probably need to shutdown few cores to keep the CPU under control Frown Need some experts here to solve this fan issue else this has to go back!
Have you tried tweaking the processor power management?
https://youtu.be/NqpjcPnIYFA
Nov 15, 2019 06:23 AM
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HahahihahaNov 15, 2019 06:23 AM
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Quote from gooface89 :
Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe works great with this laptop, not sure what issue the other poster in that thread was talking about, (maybe his was DOA?) Got windows 10 1909 Pro installed on it without any issue.

Anyways, Mine is running super smoothly with the AX200 wifi, extra 8GB of that crucial 2666mhz ram, and the Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe drive posted here.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...UTF8&psc=1

The wifi card isnt needed but I am sorta anti any wifi card non-intel (since they are the gold standard in the wifi world) and since this laptop doesnt have built in Ethernet why not upgrade the wifi to the best option currently available? (and for only $20 too)

(I repasted the cpu while I was in there with some MX-4, not sure if made much of a difference but that HP stock take crap is garbage so anything has to be better than that)
I am interested in upgrading the WiFi card in the laptop. What steps did you take to install the AX200? Was it pretty much plug and play?
Nov 15, 2019 06:25 AM
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gooface89Nov 15, 2019 06:25 AM
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Quote from Hahahihaha :
I am interested in upgrading the WiFi card in the laptop. What steps did you take to install the AX200? Was it pretty much plug and play?
Yep, download the driver from the link below, swap the card, install the driver.

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...uct=189347
Last edited by gooface89 November 14, 2019 at 10:34 PM.
Nov 15, 2019 06:29 AM
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clairvoyantxNov 15, 2019 06:29 AM
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Quote from khronos :
that is a good point. I haven't delved into the BIOS but most laptops won't allow you to enable XMP timings. Which 2666 CAS 18 ram were you talking about? Was it the set from Newegg at $51 that is out of stock?
Yes the Crucial 2666 cas 18 ram is Jedec timings, but out of stock. I believe the lower cas Latency of 18 with 2666 are usually jedec timings and do not require enabling xmp.

Such as this set of G.Skill 2666 16GB x 2 CL18 $109.99
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32...6820232169

Quote from hristopelov :
i want to try 32GB 3200MHz nobody has passmark tested with that.

also few posts before someone said the G-Skill or Micron wont run on 3200MHz because need to be set up in the BIOS and theres no setting for that on the HP.

there is a reason the Kingston is $30-$40 - its because will run on the posted specs without any other tweaks..

this was am issue last year withthe OP laptops, and that was the best memory people were using to make it run at 2666MHz , as it was only doing 2400MHz withother bramds
I had picked up the 32GB 2933 Kingston Impact a few months back. No tweaks but it is reported as running at 2933 mhz in task manager and a few other programs. Many of them still have trouble with interpreting Ice Lake Platform so can't confirm CL

Passmark scores below but i am undervolting by 50mv/changed thermal paste and no ssd upgrade

Passmark 4057
CPU Mark 11205
2D Graphics 730
3D Graphics 1924
Memory Mark 2810
Disk Mark 3562
Nov 15, 2019 06:29 AM
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jlieuNov 15, 2019 06:29 AM
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Quote from WIckedNews :
You don't need it unless you have wifi 6 router and for the average joe like us 802.11ax is not needed unless you love the latest and greatest thing!

It is relatively cheap though so I don't mind getting it and tell you how it goes. In the meantime, read below:

https://www.techspot.com/news/795...dable.html
Nice, thanks for the insight!

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Nov 15, 2019 06:32 AM
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jlieuNov 15, 2019 06:32 AM
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Quote from alphakp295 :
only thing I changed was the ram... I used this laptop for 3 days now, and my fan noise is okay. maybe i'm more tolerant to the noise? not sure how loud others' laptop sounds like. when I ran the benchmark, it did produce the jet noise. when I browse online or use word, fan noise never got that high... it's near silent.
Same. This is nothing like my 1999 Sony Vaio…

Nothing can beat the loudness of my kids too...so, IDK; fan seems fine.

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