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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

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American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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zzrayzz
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Quote from NewYorker007 :
Anyone from NYC who was able to get CEMA with Better?
im doing a (NYC) CEMA right now with better.... only been 1 week so far.... prob dont expect for hear anything about it for 2 months..
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CycloneFW
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Quote from kesco :
Nope. The beauty of being in a state with none.
Or in my state, it was $64. That's in the range of noise in my book.
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Quote from NewYorker007 :
Anyone from NYC who was able to get CEMA with Better?
Quote from zzrayzz :
im doing a (NYC) CEMA right now with better.... only been 1 week so far.... prob dont expect for hear anything about it for 2 months..
Is your current lender agreeing to assign the current loan to better?
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Quote from varun_v16 :
Questions for people who closed on a new purchase with better.com - any hiccups in the process? My realtor keeps saying to use a local lender because online ones will mess up and we might not close in time. I am FTHB in Chicago and closing late July. I have most of the paperwork in order and it doesn't seem like there will be any issues.

Also, which rate would you choose to rate match and why? Loan amount 510,000, 30 year conventional. Closing cost same as it's the same company. I plan to stay about 5 years.
1. 3 % (3.037 APR) 0 points.
2. 3.125 % (3.162 APR) $5100 credit.
Calculate the difference in your monthly payment. Then do $5100/<difference>. If that amount is less than 60 months, then take the 3%. Also consider if you KNOW that you won't be refinancing in the next 5 years. Honestly, without doing out the math, I'm almost certain that that $5100 credit will be a lot better.
Last edited by cdancer20 June 15, 2020 at 05:57 AM.
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Quote from seawolf :
Is your current lender agreeing to assign the current loan to better?
i have no idea yet. I would think/hope so.... my current lender is a "big bank"
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Quote from zzrayzz :
i have no idea yet. I would think/hope so.... my current lender is a "big bank"
I done CEMA a couple of years ago with same lender.

My impression is current lender will say no outright to assigning especially if they hold a note with a relatively "high" interest or charge a fee. If the former your only options are to refi with current lender or pay the mortgage recording tax if refi with new lender. If the later, then expect to pay an assignment fee and attorney cost to "assign" it.

Ymmv.
Last edited by seawolf June 15, 2020 at 06:23 AM.
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Quote from varun_v16 :
Questions for people who closed on a new purchase with better.com - any hiccups in the process? My realtor keeps saying to use a local lender because online ones will mess up and we might not close in time. I am FTHB in Chicago and closing late July. I have most of the paperwork in order and it doesn't seem like there will be any issues.

Also, which rate would you choose to rate match and why? Loan amount 510,000, 30 year conventional. Closing cost same as it's the same company. I plan to stay about 5 years.
1. 3 % (3.037 APR) 0 points.
2. 3.125 % (3.162 APR) $5100 credit.
I'm closing with Better on a new purchase. My closing is for next Monday and no hiccups at all. I've gotten them all of the information they've requested very quickly though. Plus, it has been a whole lot easier this time due to not using my wife on the loan. I only needed to provide half of the paperwork as last time!

I'll let you know if there are any hiccups since I'm closing in a week, but it is looking unlikely.

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Quote from PhantasmX :
So Better said there's nothing they do about the need to add escrow to investment property, property taxes and home insurance, to loan. This is for the life of the loan. I told the agent I haven't been doing that with BofA. Adding escrow would defeat my purpose of refinancing as my interest is more cash readily on hand instead of paying more than my currently mortgage now after refinancing. If it's a million dollar property, I can understand but current outstanding principle is less than $150k remaining.
Quote from nycdpj :
that's sad - you just have someone who doesn't want to do it. Also, it is easier for Better to sell the loan if your escrow has all things taken care of (not sure of the rationale, but that's what I have seen). I got my HOI taken out, without a hitch, just by asking after I received my initial closing disclosures - for rental properties and for primary home.
I never requested to remove my escrow as I thought it meant you couldn't get as good of a rate. nycdpi, did you keep the same terms after removing your escrow? Also what was your LTV?
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Quote from unlvrebels :
You could save up to 40% by shopping for title insurance and asking for reissue rate if you have refinanced recently. YOU NEED TO ASK FOR IT ELSE YOU WON'T GET IT. I wish I knew this earlier. I just wanted to spread the information.
According to my closer (and maybe this depends on the state), as long as you bought an owner's policy, the reissue credit is good for as long as you own the house. I have never refinanced and I was able to get a reissue credit. Note - ALL of the title companies that I got quotes from, including Better's title company, automatically added the credit.
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Because of the small loan amount, I am not getting any lenders to give good rate to match with better.com. can you guys post some of the lenders that you tried and successful for matching purposes. I am IL/Chicago area. Thanks in advance.
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Quote from RohanM3727 :
Were we supposed to charge to amex? I used some random credit card.
I was told to use the amex that had the qualifying offer
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Quote from cdancer20 :
According to my closer (and maybe this depends on the state), as long as you bought an owner's policy, the reissue credit is good for as long as you own the house. I have never refinanced and I was able to get a reissue credit. Note - ALL of the title companies that I got quotes from, including Better's title company, automatically added the credit.
Here is some info:

When refinancing, a "substitution rate" discount is available when a borrower can produce a lender's title policy issued within the previous 10 years. In other words, when a title insurance company is simply insuring a new mortgage covering the same borrower for the same property, it is willing to offer up to a 40 percent discount. The actual discount amount varies depending upon the prior policy's coverage amount and the new policy's coverage amount.

Source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/realestate/understanding-title-insurance-to-reduce-your-closing-costs/2013/10/10/da6dcfa6-1fe2-11e3-8459-657e0c72fec8_story.html
[washingtonpost.com]
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Quote from swine :
Here is some info:

When refinancing, a "substitution rate" discount is available when a borrower can produce a lender's title policy issued within the previous 10 years. In other words, when a title insurance company is simply insuring a new mortgage covering the same borrower for the same property, it is willing to offer up to a 40 percent discount. The actual discount amount varies depending upon the prior policy's coverage amount and the new policy's coverage amount.

Source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/realestate/understanding-title-insurance-to-reduce-your-closing-costs/2013/10/10/da6dcfa6-1fe2-11e3-8459-657e0c72fec8_story.html
[washingtonpost.com]
This doesn't change what I was saying.
Last edited by cdancer20 June 15, 2020 at 09:04 AM.
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Quote from johner :
Just locked with LenderFi at 2.75% and $400 credit for 30 years. Refinancing 580k at 59% LTV in the bay area, CA. It looks like it will cost me about $790 to close after all the fees and credit. (780+ credit score)
Send me your contact for that please

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Quote from kesco :
Quite.

I'm about to close a refi @ 2.875% 30 yr fixed - plus a $1494 credit - plus the $2500 AMEX.

Just got my closing disclosure.

A+B+C on the closing disclosure, combined == $1100. +$90 in recording fees == $1190.

So they're paying me around $300 PLUS the $2500 AMEX credit to refi.

What a SD. Applause
who was your contact
Last edited by BeanaBlasta June 15, 2020 at 10:08 AM.

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