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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

Unlock even more as an
American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jun 25, 2020
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indymale
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Quote from daw4888 :
I called my lenderfi assigned guy, and he was able to get me a much better quote than the website. Might be worth a try. Tell him you are shopping around and see what they can do.


I am having zero luck with Better. I have now submitted two differnt LE's, and called over 10 times to see if they could match them. First one they didnt respond until 3 days later, then said the LE was to old to match. Second one I put in Tuesday Night. Called them as soon as I put it in, and called them 4 more times yesterday. Yesterday at 4 pm they said my assigned person had my file open, looking at it, and would call me shortly to tell me what they could do.. Never got a call. Now its been over 24 hours since I got the LE from another lender, so my guess is when I call today they will tell me its expired.. and want another one. About to give up and just go with the other lender.
I'm not ready to do another refi yet, but I've always heard LenderFi has bette rates once you apply instead of what you see online.
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Letsgogogo
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Does applying with better result in soft pull?

What's the process for getting matched? Apply first with better, then bring LE to them?
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CycloneFW
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Quote from Letsgogogo :
Does applying with better result in soft pull?

What's the process for getting matched? Apply first with better, then bring LE to them?
Soft pull at TransUnion initially. When you lock the rate, that's when you have to consent to a hard pull before you can lock the rate.
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indymale
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Quote from Letsgogogo :
Does applying with better result in soft pull?

What's the process for getting matched? Apply first with better, then bring LE to them?
Soft pull for sure, you do need to apply with better before you bring LE. You need to get the LE matched before you lock the rate I believe.
Jun 25, 2020
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daw4888
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Quote from indymale :
I'm not ready to do another refi yet, but I've always heard LenderFi has bette rates once you apply instead of what you see online.

I applied online.. and got the LE... it was crap. You have to apply to get the LE.

Talked to guy explained i was shopping around, and he did much better. YMMV.
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Brooklynite
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Quote from nicemann :
I used to pay my own escrow myself but as others have said you can typically get lower interest rates having the lender do it. I guess it's security for them that those items are being paid.
Wait, are you saying I can refinance my house without using a 3rd party escrow company? So basically the new lender will send me a fat check and wish for the best that I pay off my existing loan?
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has anyone looked at refinancing at a higher interest rate with a decent credit back only to turn around and refinance again at a lower price point?
Case in point: I refinanced 2 months back at 3.125% at 15 year fixed and got $3000 credit (including the AMEX). I am thinking of refinancing at 3.75% at 15 year fixed to get $5000 credit. assuming that the rates are not going to change dramatically in the near future given the environment, refinance again at 2.75% or something like that and make this a money maker
thoughts?

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Quote from halluc1nati0n :
From DoctorOfCredit comments:


Is there any truth in that statement?
Free appraisal is there as long as you use the Amex link. You don't get better rates by locking a rate first then matching. You obviously need to apply at Better.com first then get an LE for them to match.
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One thing I want to ask your experts though, how do you determine whether paying closing cost upfront with lower rate is justifiable? I've usually heard that you shooting for no fee no cost refi as you may well see rate drop in another 6mo and want to do it again, and with upfront cost, you might lose that money. I'm not sure with my jumbo loan how much lower it can go beyond 2.875% (30 year fixed), I'm about 130k away from entering the conforming range where I would consider refi again defnitely and I won't be getting into that range in 10month for sure. If I'm paying 4k in cost to get the 2.875%, I'm looking at minimum of a little over 10 month to get break even V.S no cost, same loan amount with 3.375 rate (we are talking about lender credit cover cost, not rolling over the cost into a 30year loan). Is it worthwhile to pay up the 4k?
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Currently in the process of refinancing with Better.com under this promo.

It has been a love/hate relationship so far.

When I first applied a couple weeks ago, the better.com account page was not showing the lower rates they were advertising on Nerdwallet. I sent about 3 emails and got no response for days. Then I called, and it took 3 attempts before I got a person on the line. They setup an appointment for me that day at 1PM. I waited until 1:45 and nobody called me. I called back a couple of times and got another person on the line. Then I forwarded a screenshot of the Nerdwallet rate to them, and was told someone would call me back the next day (a Sunday). Monday came around and nobody called back. I then called and asked to be escalated to a manager and requested that my "Team" was changed, since the team assigned to me was not answering any calls or emails for nearly a week.

The new loan officer I was assigned was way more responsive and got me sorted out within a day or so. At this point I had gotten a lower estimate from a competitor, so I submitted that to the better.com person. They matched the rate and also included more lender credits for closing, on top of the $2500 amex deal. So, it was worth using Better over the others.

Now that the loan is in process, I feel like only about half of my emails are responded to on a timely basis. Some messages I send appear to fall on deaf ears, or I get a response a week later.

I do REALLY like their online portal and how easy it is to work with. I have refinanced before, and their online system is by far the best I have dealt with.

It just seems like they are way understaffed right now in relation to the massive spike in refinancing that is probably happening due to the low rates in the market. It is super frustrating but the deal is too good to pass up.

My closing is scheduled in the 2nd week of July. I am confident it will go through, and I don't plan on backing out of the deal at all. I just wish they were better with communication. I almost went with a competitor due to that, but I gave them 1 last chance and they finally came through.
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Quote from Brooklynite :
Wait, are you saying I can refinance my house without using a 3rd party escrow company? So basically the new lender will send me a fat check and wish for the best that I pay off my existing loan?
No -- new lender will pay off existing lender. The escrow is for homeowner's insurance and property tax. Wasn't sure if you were being serious.
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Quote from photonfilm :
has anyone looked at refinancing at a higher interest rate with a decent credit back only to turn around and refinance again at a lower price point?
Case in point: I refinanced 2 months back at 3.125% at 15 year fixed and got $3000 credit (including the AMEX). I am thinking of refinancing at 3.75% at 15 year fixed to get $5000 credit. assuming that the rates are not going to change dramatically in the near future given the environment, refinance again at 2.75% or something like that and make this a money maker
thoughts?
In theory yes but there is a max limit after which excess credit is forfeited.

https://selling-guide.fanniemae.c...mitted.htm
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photonfilm
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Quote from seawolf :
In theory yes but there is a max limit after which excess credit is forfeited.

https://selling-guide.fanniemae.c...mitted.htm
thats interesting. but when i locked in the rate, i am guaranteed to get the rate and credit from better.com or any lender. how can they change it later?
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Quote from photonfilm :
has anyone looked at refinancing at a higher interest rate with a decent credit back only to turn around and refinance again at a lower price point?
Case in point: I refinanced 2 months back at 3.125% at 15 year fixed and got $3000 credit (including the AMEX). I am thinking of refinancing at 3.75% at 15 year fixed to get $5000 credit. assuming that the rates are not going to change dramatically in the near future given the environment, refinance again at 2.75% or something like that and make this a money maker
thoughts?
Quote from Procter :
One thing I want to ask your experts though, how do you determine whether paying closing cost upfront with lower rate is justifiable? I've usually heard that you shooting for no fee no cost refi as you may well see rate drop in another 6mo and want to do it again, and with upfront cost, you might lose that money. I'm not sure with my jumbo loan how much lower it can go beyond 2.875% (30 year fixed), I'm about 130k away from entering the conforming range where I would consider refi again defnitely and I won't be getting into that range in 10month for sure. If I'm paying 4k in cost to get the 2.875%, I'm looking at minimum of a little over 10 month to get break even V.S no cost, same loan amount with 3.375 rate (we are talking about lender credit cover cost, not rolling over the cost into a 30year loan). Is it worthwhile to pay up the 4k?
If you are banking on the rates going lower in the near future, then you are taking a gamble. No one KNOWS what will happen. Do you really think the rates will still be this low in 10 months and are you willing to gamble on it? First OP, you could be stuck at a higher rate if you try to do this two more times! Also note that the Amex promo expires in one month. (Must apply by that date so you probably have only one my chance to do this.)
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I locked in my rate yesterday with Better for 2.75%, 15 year with $610 origination/point fee. This was after they matched similar offer from LenderFi. At the time I did not know about "beat by $1000" so I did not ask why they only matched the LenderFi offer.

I know there is lot of better offers that people have gotten but this was the best I was able to do and not sure if this can be improved now that I have already locked my rate.

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