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expiredGreenworld123 posted Dec 08, 2019 02:27 PM
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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

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American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jul 15, 2020 11:33 PM
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got129Jul 15, 2020 11:33 PM
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Quote from samsungs70 :
Hello All,
My principle is about $260,000, fixed rate is 4.25% and I'm 3 years into the 30 year loan. The house is currently valued at $440,000.
A refinance person I used in my house purchase now contacted me with 3.5% rate no closing cost, no points (so I guess the refinance cost me nothing if I proceed?) with the new payment would be $1167 ( a saving of $188/month compared to the current payment of $1,356). Is that a good deal (my credit score is just above 760).
Also if I ended up refinancing the house, isn't all the interest that my current mortgage bank has been aggressively collect since the beginning of the loan now lost? I guess this is the thing a refinance person would not like to tell me about it, all he said is about how much I save per month.
Thanks a lot.
But you can also think about it another way, when you refinance your interest rate is lower. Thus, you'll pay less interest through the life of the loan. And if you continued paying the same amount as your current loan, how much quicker will your loan be paid off vs keeping your existing loan. Here's a calculator that will help you find your payoff date: https://www.bankrate.com/calculat...lator.aspx
Jul 15, 2020 11:33 PM
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David9569Jul 15, 2020 11:33 PM
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Quote from samsungs70 :
Hello All,
My principle is about $260,000, fixed rate is 4.25% and I'm 3 years into the 30 year loan. The house is currently valued at $440,000.
A refinance person I used in my house purchase now contacted me with 3.5% rate no closing cost, no points (so I guess the refinance cost me nothing if I proceed?) with the new payment would be $1167 ( a saving of $188/month compared to the current payment of $1,356). Is that a good deal (my credit score is just above 760).
Also if I ended up refinancing the house, isn't all the interest that my current mortgage bank has been aggressively collect since the beginning of the loan now lost? I guess this is the thing a refinance person would not like to tell me about it, all he said is about how much I save per month.
Thanks a lot.
No, this is not a good deal. If you read some posts on this thread, you'll see people are getting much better rates. You should be able to 2.875 at least without literally any costs at all, and probably better. Keep in mind when they say no costs, they might not be talking about thousands of dollars in 3rd party closing costs (like title insurance).

My suggestion, go to https://www.loancabin.com/rates and put in your information (60 day lock and change the location). That should give you a better idea of what to expect.

As far as lost interest, don't worry about that. You are thinking about that the wrong way. If you are worried about starting all over with a 30 year loan, you can do 20 or 15 year.
Jul 15, 2020 11:36 PM
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SomeXYZJul 15, 2020 11:36 PM
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Quote from jpell123 :
I've locked a rate with Better but now it seems impossible to reach a human there. I sent an email to my loan processor and concierge on Friday to no response, scheduled a call on their website for this evening that came and went without a call and nobody answers when I call any of the numbers on their website. I know they're busy, but jeez....
They will hunt until you lock a rate. After that your turn to hunt them.
Jul 15, 2020 11:39 PM
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SomeXYZJul 15, 2020 11:39 PM
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Can you please post your timeline?
Jul 15, 2020 11:48 PM
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k1ngkev1n1Jul 15, 2020 11:48 PM
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Quote from sac1 :
I am in similar situation and would like to know.
Refi and change the term to how ever many years you have left on your current loan.
Jul 16, 2020 12:00 AM
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prs98Jul 16, 2020 12:00 AM
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Quote from SomeXYZ :
They will hunt until you lock a rate. After that your turn to hunt them.
agreed. Better should be the last step in the journey before locking in.
Jul 16, 2020 12:04 AM
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CycloneFWJul 16, 2020 12:04 AM
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Quote from k1ngkev1n1 :
does section E fluctuate? LE was 269 and now its 399
Those are typically just government charges (especially at those dollar amounts), so you should be able to independently verify them. Mine is $64, but my LE from Better still says $100. Once title gets them updated numbers, it will change.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:05 AM
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CycloneFWJul 16, 2020 12:05 AM
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Quote from Letsgogogo :
What happens in a case when lender credit is greater than closing costs?

Say, closing costs are $2000, but lender credit is $4000 and no escrow account.

Do you get $2000 cash back? What would happen?
Yes. 1st to prepaids/escrow, 2nd to you in cash up to $2k, 3rd to principal reduction up to $2.5k.
Jul 16, 2020 12:06 AM
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prs98Jul 16, 2020 12:06 AM
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Quote from CycloneFW :
Those are typically just government charges (especially at those dollar amounts), so you should be able to independently verify them. Mine is $64, but my LE from Better still says $100. Once title gets them updated numbers, it will change.
which state ?
Jul 16, 2020 12:07 AM
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prs98Jul 16, 2020 12:07 AM
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Quote from Noirish :
With Better, if you got lucky, you got assigned a responsive and accommodating team. Not so for me, they said they would match, but they didn't follow through and stopped communicating. They also mentioned, if I found a better rate that I might as well go with that.

Anyway, mine is an investment property so it is a little different. Watermark gave the best so far (3.375%, no cost, no escrow). They also offer 3% with $2500 cost, but I figure if rate keeps going down, I can refinance again in 6 months.
This is awesome. How much was the LTV ?
Jul 16, 2020 12:08 AM
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CycloneFWJul 16, 2020 12:08 AM
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which state ?
North Carolina
Jul 16, 2020 12:08 AM
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prs98Jul 16, 2020 12:08 AM
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Quote from nagraw4 :
So watermark was able to give me a quote over email. No LE yet. But I am getting 2 options:
A+B+C+E = $4000 (GA has big 'E')
1. 2.75% with 3000 credit
2. 2.625 with 1500 credit

On the face of it I am leaning towards the lower rate but I don't think Better is matching that rate. So may be get Better to match 2.75% and try to get Amex credit is the better option? Thoughts?
Try AFMC
Jul 16, 2020 12:12 AM
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samsungs70Jul 16, 2020 12:12 AM
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Quote from David9569 :
No, this is not a good deal. If you read some posts on this thread, you'll see people are getting much better rates. You should be able to 2.875 at least without literally any costs at all, and probably better. Keep in mind when they say no costs, they might not be talking about thousands of dollars in 3rd party closing costs (like title insurance).

My suggestion, go to https://www.loancabin.com/rates and put in your information (60 day lock and change the location). That should give you a better idea of what to expect.

As far as lost interest, don't worry about that. You are thinking about that the wrong way. If you are worried about starting all over with a 30 year loan, you can do 20 or 15 year.
Regarding 'Keep in mind when they say no costs, they might not be talking about thousands of dollars in 3rd party closing costs (like title insurance).', my guy said it costs me nothing except there might be $500 appraisal fee. But other than than, none out of my pocket.
Jul 16, 2020 12:19 AM
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David9569Jul 16, 2020 12:19 AM
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Quote :
Quote from dsamsungs70 :
Regarding 'Keep in mind when they say no costs, they might not be talking about thousands of dollars in 3rd party closing costs (like title insurance).', my guy said it costs me nothing except there might be $500 appraisal fee. But other than than, none out of my pocket.
samsungs70Regarding 'Keep in mind when they say no costs, they might not be talking about thousands of dollars in 3rd party closing costs (like title insurance).', my guy said it costs me nothing except there might be $500 appraisal fee. But other than than, none out of my pocket.
Until you have a loan estimate, I wouldn't trust what they said. They are probably talking about their fees, not total fees. I don't think you fully understand how this works yet. At the rate they are quoting you, not only should you not be paying out of pocket, but they should probably be putting many thousands of dollars in your pocket.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:22 AM
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skdealJul 16, 2020 12:22 AM
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Its been a mixed experience so far for me on a 30 year 2.75% for $510000

Better came up with a high closing cost and no credits to offset
LenderFi came to zero closing after credit.

Sent the LE from Lenderfi to Better and they said they can match but need a new LE to be within the day range. I sent the original LE to be within the window but they took a day to look at it.

Now Lenderfi does not want to give me a new LE and saying they will cancel my application if I don't commit to close with them.

Reached out to Watermark with the Lenderfi LE and they mentioned they can match. In email they mentioned they will give credits so closing costs will be zero. They have a 1500 origination fee which they can't take out so they give credit to offset it. They are taking time to generate a LE so I can take a look to compare.

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