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expiredGreenworld123 posted Dec 08, 2019 02:27 PM
expiredGreenworld123 posted Dec 08, 2019 02:27 PM

Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

Unlock even more as an
American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jul 17, 2020 02:50 PM
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myles370Jul 17, 2020 02:50 PM
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Quote from Deals_bob :
Nice. Congratulations for great lender credits . If you don't mind, may we know your loan amount? And LTV as well
$331k loan amount, 71% LTV.

Also have a HELOC availability they were OK keeping as subordinate which would put me right at 80% LTV when factored in but they were fine and didn't require appraisal.
Jul 17, 2020 02:51 PM
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myles370Jul 17, 2020 02:51 PM
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Quote from RoodyPooUS :
I also got ignored by better.com, some guy named Nico Henry, I will probably go w loan cabin.
All the lenders are slammed right now. I would keep trying and emailing and leaving voicemails. The $2500 promo is a nice additional perk on back end once they match the lowest Lender you find.
Jul 17, 2020 03:09 PM
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EasyEzJul 17, 2020 03:09 PM
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Is there any data supporting claw back if you refi too quickly?

I closed last month, I want to refi again.
Jul 17, 2020 03:17 PM
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shahhereJul 17, 2020 03:17 PM
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Quote from EasyEz :
Is there any data supporting claw back if you refi too quickly?

I closed last month, I want to refi again.

To be honest I've done a refi tons of times and in most cases tried to adhere to the clawback so you dont burn bridges with the lender in the event you need to refinance with them in the future.


The years past where I did it unknowingly but none of the lenders came after me and I did discuss with a few of them and they said its tough luck but majority of the people dont do it as they dont often refinance in that short of a time due to costs (I used to take negative points so it was different for me).


LenderFI I believe is the only one listed here that makes you sign a paper indicating that they have the right to come after you and I'd skip them for that reason alone....


Shahhere
Jul 17, 2020 03:19 PM
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iridiumJul 17, 2020 03:19 PM
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I closed on 2.875 30 fixed with better.com last week and seeing rates at 2.625 want me to refi already. What all places are doing 2.625% 30 fixed? High balance conventional with 57% LTV.
Jul 17, 2020 03:33 PM
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575riderJul 17, 2020 03:33 PM
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Currently have 30-year fixed with Chase at 3.375. Is it worth checking with them about refinancing, or should I just start with other companies (LoanCabin, Better, etc.)? Thanks.
Jul 17, 2020 03:42 PM
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TandemBikeJul 17, 2020 03:42 PM
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Quote from 575rider :
Currently have 30-year fixed with Chase at 3.375. Is it worth checking with them about refinancing, or should I just start with other companies (LoanCabin, Better, etc.)? Thanks.
I was with Chase at 3.875 and they never responded to my request for a rate match. Not sure why they would want to lost the loan, but they did. I got 2.75 on a 30 year with Better.com after matching.

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Jul 17, 2020 04:02 PM
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damnyouJul 17, 2020 04:02 PM
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Quote from 575rider :
Currently have 30-year fixed with Chase at 3.375. Is it worth checking with them about refinancing, or should I just start with other companies (LoanCabin, Better, etc.)? Thanks.
Sebonic and AFM are other two I would try before finalizing with Better if all works out good
Jul 17, 2020 04:20 PM
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SomeXYZJul 17, 2020 04:20 PM
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Better rejected my request to match with AMFC for 2.625%. They wanted me to count Amex credit as lender credit.



Jul 17, 2020 04:52 PM
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Brian1234567890Jul 17, 2020 04:52 PM
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Quote from wandl :
I completed my refi early June - it took about 1 week to show the old mortgage pay off, and about 3-4 weeks to get the check (Better overpaid my old mortgage, so my old mortgage company sent me the check)
Not saying you're complaining about the funding process, but literally thousands of forumers have refinanced via Better, they do follow through the funding despite the recent gripes on pricematching and response times.
It would be less confusing if they didn't open a new loan and send you all the information before the old loan gets paid off.
Jul 17, 2020 04:56 PM
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CycloneFWJul 17, 2020 04:56 PM
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Quote from Brian1234567890 :
It would be less confusing if they didn't open a new loan and send you all the information before the old loan gets paid off.
How else are they to do it? The two loans are with different providers and have different notes/liens attached to your property. The new lender is not going to one to hold back on putting a lien against your property for the new loan, and the old lender is not going to remove it until they've been paid off. Basically, a necessary evil.

Meanwhile, what is the confusing part? Perhaps one of us can help clarify?
Jul 17, 2020 05:14 PM
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Brian1234567890Jul 17, 2020 05:14 PM
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Quote from CycloneFW :
How else are they to do it? The two loans are with different providers and have different notes/liens attached to your property. The new lender is not going to one to hold back on putting a lien against your property for the new loan, and the old lender is not going to remove it until they've been paid off. Basically, a necessary evil.

Meanwhile, what is the confusing part? Perhaps one of us can help clarify?
Maybe I just don't get how long it takes for them to actually fund and payoff the loan and property taxes. They said 24 hours but we are days beyond that
Jul 17, 2020 05:25 PM
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CycloneFWJul 17, 2020 05:25 PM
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Quote from Brian1234567890 :
Maybe I just don't get how long it takes for them to actually fund and payoff the loan and property taxes. They said 24 hours but we are days beyond that
Let's say you have a closing on Monday and the new lender is different than the old lender.

Monday = Closing
Tuesday = Day 1 of recision period
Wednesday = Day 2 of recision period
Thursday = Day 3 of recision period
Friday = Funding/Disbursement Day

So on Friday, things are now in control of the Settlement Agent. Some Settlement Agents will process things same day, but some also wait to see it post in their bank account overnight before sending out payoff. So...

Friday/Saturday = Send Payoff to old lender

If the payoff was via wire xfer, substitute Monday for Saturday as Fed Wire doesn't operate on weekends. If via check, FedEx should take the check Saturday without issue.

Let's say in either wire xfer or Fedex, the payoff arrives at the old lender on Monday. You can adjust depending on the actual days in your case. The old lender may also wait until payoffs post before processing the payoff. However, they will backdate it to when they got the funds. This said, the payoff may not get processed until Tuesday.

To further add insult to injury, the old lender may not update their website in real-time and only via overnight batch. So the website may not show payoff until Wednesday.

So as you can see from the above, there could be quite a while from the closing table before seeing payoff at the old lender. However, "within 24 business hours" from disbursement/funding date is indeed when the payoff is sent.

Also, all of this assumes no hiccups are encountered, which occasionally happen.
Jul 17, 2020 05:26 PM
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gk6740Jul 17, 2020 05:26 PM
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Quote from Brian1234567890 :
Maybe I just don't get how long it takes for them to actually fund and payoff the loan and property taxes. They said 24 hours but we are days beyond that
I knew the payoff number was wrong from the start. Not sure who figures this stuff out, but it is not rocket science. In the end, I should have skipped making the current month payment, but we were close to having a late fee if Better delayed the payment a few days. I will be getting my $900 or so bucks back eventually.

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Jul 17, 2020 05:30 PM
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CycloneFWJul 17, 2020 05:30 PM
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Quote from gk6740 :
I knew the payoff number was wrong from the start. Not sure who figures this stuff out, but it is not rocket science. In the end, I should have skipped making the current month payment, but we were close to having a late fee if Better delayed the payment a few days. I will be getting my $900 or so bucks back eventually.
The old lender generates the payoff statement at the request of the settlement agent. This payoff quote uses the current circumstances of the day of issuance. This also means that even if a payment arrived a day prior, it may not be reflected as it hasn't yet cleared your bank to theirs (potentially).

So the payoff quote can be much higher than anticipated. However, what usually ends up being the gotcha is the settlement agent failed to get an updated payoff prior to closing. So if they got a payoff quote on 7/10 that is good until 7/25 and you close on 7/20, they may not have gotten a new one to "see" the July payment.

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