Optoma CinemaX P1 4K Projector w/ Integrated SoundBar + Sony WF-1000XM3 Earbuds $3799 + free s/h

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01-10-2020 at 11:21 AM #2

Weird mix, but okay.

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01-10-2020 at 11:31 AM #3

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Weird mix, but okay.

That's what happens when you overpriced things. I'm in the market for an UST laser, and was hesitant at the $3000 price point when it came out. Then they decided to jack up the price a few months into their release. Weird marketing strategy or mishap by Optoma. Now retailers need to think of ways to move them.

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01-10-2020 at 11:33 AM #4

Nowhere near a slick deal - If you can find no tax option you save more than the earbuds value by almost double.

Concerning the actual projector - Its super nice as an ultra short throw (120 in @ 15in away), but paying for a soundbar built-in is stupid. Budget projectors will use budget audio... a $4000 projector should never be used with such a sad piece of audio gear. If you need a soundbar and an ultra short throw, then you shouldnt be buying a premium one of either. Sure there are those with the money to burn for such a product, but that number should be so low, the product doesnt exist...lol

Trying to market to too many audiences at once.

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01-10-2020 at 11:34 AM #5

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Nowhere near a slick deal - If you can find no tax option you save more than the earbuds value by almost double.

Concerning the actual projector - Its super nice as an ultra short throw (120 ft @ 15in away)

I'm going to assume you meant 120in, but even that is pretty impressive.

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01-10-2020 at 11:38 AM #6

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I'm going to assume you meant 120in, but even that is pretty impressive.

Correct, thanks.

I get why having an UST projector with built-in soundbar works on paper. One unit on your entertainment stand projecting to the wall on the rear and blasting audio from the front. Makes sense for those that want a simple setup.

But the reality of someone wanting 120in laser based screen and pairing it to a 40 watt soundbar is absurdly stupid.

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01-10-2020 at 11:50 AM #7

Question for those that know TV's: I have a Klipsch/Denon system in my living room and now it's time for a good home theater tv. My budget is about $2k or so. Need a 75" that will upscale DirecTV/football and display movies great. Looks like the best 2019 options are the 950G and Q80R. Should I get one of those (prices should be crashing very soon)...or do you think a 2020 model will outperform those in contrast/motion/black levels? Thanks.

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01-10-2020 at 11:52 AM #8

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But the reality of someone wanting 120in laser based screen and pairing it to a 40 watt soundbar is absurdly stupid.

Agreed, the LG 4K laser projector is $1000 less and has been on sale in the $2k range (although admittedly you don't get that 15" throw). Hopefully, LG will soon come out with a 4K version of the discontinued PF1000U [lg.com].

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01-10-2020 at 12:06 PM #9

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Question for those that know TV's: I have a Klipsch/Denon system in my living room and now it's time for a good home theater tv. My budget is about $2k or so. Need a 75" that will upscale DirecTV/football and display movies great. Looks like the best 2019 options are the 950G and Q80R. Should I get one of those (prices should be crashing very soon)...or do you think a 2020 model will outperform those in contrast/motion/black levels? Thanks.

Screen picture quality on flagship TVs is rarely a noticeable upgrade in year over year models. Take into account LG OLED (which Sony uses).. roughly the same panel tech is used for the last 4 years. The difference is CPU and post processing abilities which for your needs is important because it affects up-scaling quality.

I would take a deal on a 2019 over a 2020 no matter what.

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01-10-2020 at 12:08 PM #10

FWIW, anyone considering this should probably check out avsforums for the thread over there. I bought one from the first batch that was delivered in October and was pretty unimpressed with the picture quality (comparing it to a much cheaper and much older BenQ 1085ST HD projector) and couldn't get a square display without using correction on two different fixed frame screens and there were other various software related issues as well that myself and others have encountered... also the offset measurements were incorrect in my case (vertical offset distance required from wall were both greater than advertised).

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01-10-2020 at 12:10 PM #11

Is this true 4K or that double pixel technology stuff?

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Is this true 4K or that double pixel technology stuff?

It's a laser, so pretty sure it's true 4K. I don't think you can do pixel shifting with a laser.

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01-10-2020 at 12:15 PM #13

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Question for those that know TV's: I have a Klipsch/Denon system in my living room and now it's time for a good home theater tv. My budget is about $2k or so. Need a 75" that will upscale DirecTV/football and display movies great. Looks like the best 2019 options are the 950G and Q80R. Should I get one of those (prices should be crashing very soon)...or do you think a 2020 model will outperform those in contrast/motion/black levels? Thanks.

I personally would recommend the Q70R or Q90R in most cases over the Q80R (unless off axis viewing is particularly important or are in a particularly bright room... in which case I'd probably go with the Q90R, personally). The Q80 has more local dimming zones, but it sacrifices contrast in favor of off axis viewing so even with local dimming on high, the Q70 has higher contrast overall because the native contrast is so much higher.

...and viewing from an angle is 'fine' on the Q70, it's just not as good as the Q80 (or Q90, which has the best of everything... but is ~2x the cost of the Q70).

FWIW, I got the 82" Q70 from Greentoe for $2250 (no tax, no shipping)... but looks like prices have gone up a bit (next best time to buy a big TV for a good deal will be right before the superbowl).

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01-10-2020 at 12:18 PM #14

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It's a laser, so pretty sure it's true 4K. I don't think you can do pixel shifting with a laser.

Not 100% sure, but pretty sure you can... in any event, the P1 AFAIK does not use pixel shifting... but also isn't native 4k (it's using a native 1080 chip that doesn't do shifting, but I think it "upscales" to display 4k pixels, IIRC).