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G.SKILL Trident Z RGB (For AMD) 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C18D-16GTZRX $89.99

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hurttrainX
01-23-2020 at 03:49 AM.
01-23-2020 at 03:49 AM.
Why does it say "For AMD"? This is RAM. Will it not work on Intel platforms?
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Flyingfliers73
01-23-2020 at 04:19 AM.
01-23-2020 at 04:19 AM.
Quote from hurttrainX :
Why does it say "For AMD"? This is RAM. Will it not work on Intel platforms?
I think he means to say the high frequency is better utilised by AMD APUs
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Expoxur
01-23-2020 at 06:16 AM.
01-23-2020 at 06:16 AM.
Quote from Flyingfliers73 :
I think he means to say the high frequency is better utilised by AMD APUs

It's actually meaning the xmp profiles are for AMD. Ryzen is picky about which ram it's using. However, don't just trust this "For AMD" ram will run at proper speeds on your Ryzen setup. Still check your motherboard's qvl list for it.
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GertHeart
01-23-2020 at 06:50 AM.
01-23-2020 at 06:50 AM.
This RAM isn't a good deal for what it offers. Not only is the price higher than it should be, the timing belt is CL 18 18-22-22. It's not a good deal for the clock latency. I've been getting annoyed at all the bad deals of RAM that have been getting posted recently. I didn't downvote, but I think it important people learn about Clock Latency, especially when wanting to use it with AMD, 3600mhz is not better than 3200 mhz or even lower if the Clock

Latency is higher. In many situations you are paying more to not gain any performance and, in some situations you even lose performance. Unless the timing belt of these can be reduced manually, then this RAM is worse than standard.
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mojohnnybravo
01-23-2020 at 08:05 AM.
01-23-2020 at 08:05 AM.
Quote from GertHeart :
This RAM isn't a good deal for what it offers. Not only is the price higher than it should be, the timing belt is CL 18 18-22-22. It's not a good deal for the clock latency. I've been getting annoyed at all the bad deals of RAM that have been getting posted recently. I didn't downvote, but I think it important people learn about Clock Latency, especially when wanting to use it with AMD, 3600mhz is not better than 3200 mhz or even lower if the Clock

Latency is higher. In many situations you are paying more to not gain any performance and, in some situations you even lose performance. Unless the timing belt of these can be reduced manually, then this RAM is worse than standard.
thanks for doing this for me
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turbodog
01-23-2020 at 08:18 AM.
01-23-2020 at 08:18 AM.
This is OK, middle of the road performance ram.

- RGB (meh)
- QVL for almost all Z390 and X570 boards
- 3600 clock is pretty good, runs well on x570 and scales on Z390
- Timing is OK but not great
- High binned Hynix C-die / CJR

I'd spend a few extra bucks and get some fast b-die, the Team and Patriot 4000mhz (or higher) kits have been a bit over $100.
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tasoli
01-23-2020 at 08:22 AM.
01-23-2020 at 08:22 AM.
Quote from GertHeart :
... the timing belt is ...

... the timing belt of these ...
"timing belt"? I think you might be conflating CAS latency with car parts.

That aside, yeah this isn't a great deal for this RAM (2x8GB DDR4 3600MHz with CAS Latency of 18). You're basically paying for the RGB, so if the RGB colors aren't important to you, and you happen to not know a lot about RAM:
  • You can find similar RAM (16GB DDR4 3600MHz CL 18) for less.
  • You can find 16GB (8GBx2) of DDR4 3600MHz RAM with lower CL for less.
  • CL18 is not great. How much of a difference does the CL make? Debatable whether a normal user would notice [tomshardware.com], and if you're doing something where you would notice you probably don't need to be talked-down to about CAS Latency.

This isn't a "slick deal" on RAM, this is just a slightly lower price on some OK sticks which have an RGB light stick on them.
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andyvho
01-23-2020 at 08:52 AM.
01-23-2020 at 08:52 AM.
Quote from GertHeart :
This RAM isn't a good deal for what it offers. Not only is the price higher than it should be, the timing belt is CL 18 18-22-22. It's not a good deal for the clock latency. I've been getting annoyed at all the bad deals of RAM that have been getting posted recently. I didn't downvote, but I think it important people learn about Clock Latency, especially when wanting to use it with AMD, 3600mhz is not better than 3200 mhz or even lower if the Clock

Latency is higher. In many situations you are paying more to not gain any performance and, in some situations you even lose performance. Unless the timing belt of these can be reduced manually, then this RAM is worse than standard.

I'm looking to get ram for my rig. I have a 3900x on a Asus rog strix x470-f. I tried reading up on timings but ultimately I'm just confused. I game/stream on it. I am actually buying ram to replace the old one I pulled from my previous machine. I plan to put the old ram back into my old rig to use as streaming machine so I won't be doing both on one. Any suggestions if I am looking to spend no more than 150?
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Mundosold
01-23-2020 at 09:03 AM.
01-23-2020 at 09:03 AM.
If you don't care about RGB I would go with this personally:
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32...6820232907 $149

If you think 16GB is enough,
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16...6820232880 $82
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tpaten
01-23-2020 at 09:16 AM.
01-23-2020 at 09:16 AM.
Quote from GertHeart :
This RAM isn't a good deal for what it offers. Not only is the price higher than it should be, the timing belt is CL 18 18-22-22. It's not a good deal for the clock latency. I've been getting annoyed at all the bad deals of RAM that have been getting posted recently. I didn't downvote, but I think it important people learn about Clock Latency, especially when wanting to use it with AMD, 3600mhz is not better than 3200 mhz or even lower if the Clock

Latency is higher. In many situations you are paying more to not gain any performance and, in some situations you even lose performance. Unless the timing belt of these can be reduced manually, then this RAM is worse than standard.

These appear to be Hynix C-die. These will tune to C16 1T on a compatible motherboard or better and should overclock to 3733Mhz at least with very minor voltage bumps. Your measured latency will be lower with a higher clocked kit with reasonable timings. Especially on Ryzen.

This is the second cheapest model that has LED heat spreaders that I can find with a quick newegg search. It's not bad but if you don't need heat spacers or LED, get a Timetec kit.
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tpaten
01-23-2020 at 09:34 AM.
01-23-2020 at 09:34 AM.
Quote from andyvho :
I'm looking to get ram for my rig. I have a 3900x on a Asus rog strix x470-f. I tried reading up on timings but ultimately I'm just confused. I game/stream on it. I am actually buying ram to replace the old one I pulled from my previous machine. I plan to put the old ram back into my old rig to use as streaming machine so I won't be doing both on one. Any suggestions if I am looking to spend no more than 150?

For tuning, there's a handy app that will help with timings. Search for "Ryzen Dram Calculator" and check out some of the videos on it.

On the recommendation, do you care if it has a LED heat spreader or not? If not you can get a 32G kit (2x16 or 4x8) for under $140.
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1wondershow
01-23-2020 at 10:09 AM.
01-23-2020 at 10:09 AM.
For anyone near a microcenter they have the cl 16 version of this ram for $108.99
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andyvho
01-23-2020 at 10:10 AM.
01-23-2020 at 10:10 AM.
Quote from tpaten :
For tuning, there's a handy app that will help with timings. Search for "Ryzen Dram Calculator" and check out some of the videos on it.

On the recommendation, do you care if it has a LED heat spreader or not? If not you can get a 32G kit (2x16 or 4x8) for under $140.
Thanks I will search that and check out some videos. I don't care either way about a heat spreader.

I did find this:

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16...6820232476

Thoughts? RGB is one of those nice to haves.
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Anovascular
01-23-2020 at 10:10 AM.
01-23-2020 at 10:10 AM.
Quote from Expoxur :
It's actually meaning the xmp profiles are for AMD. Ryzen is picky about which ram it's using. However, don't just trust this "For AMD" ram will run at proper speeds on your Ryzen setup. Still check your motherboard's qvl list for it.

QVLs are horribly outdated after the release of the motherboard. The manufacturer rarely updates them.
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