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Stocking up for Corona virus

940 257 March 1, 2020 at 10:57 AM in Chat
Hey guys,

Is anyone stocking up on "survival items" in fear of the Corona virus? So far I haven't, but I see a lot of the supermarkets empty from people like that here. Are the fears warranted, should I do the same?

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03-04-2020 at 07:43 AM.
03-04-2020 at 07:43 AM.
Quote from ProfessorChaos :
Be glad you're not a doctor.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/0...index.html [cnn.com]

For SDers, here's the recipe to make your own hand sanitizer.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hand...-your-own/ [cbsnews.com]
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03-04-2020 at 08:38 AM.
03-04-2020 at 08:38 AM.
Is $200 a good deal for one bottle of hand sanitizer?
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03-04-2020 at 09:43 AM.
03-04-2020 at 09:43 AM.
Since Pence just changed the guidelines for testing, I expect thousands of cases to show up soon. EEK!
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Zoe Moon
03-04-2020 at 08:30 PM.
03-04-2020 at 08:30 PM.
The schools in WA state are staying open, after a deep clean. The problem with the schools closing is that all the kids will wind up at the mall or shopping center then they'll pass to everyone there.
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03-04-2020 at 11:55 PM.
03-04-2020 at 11:55 PM.
The Corona Virus has gone viral.
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03-05-2020 at 06:31 PM.
03-05-2020 at 06:31 PM.
Quote from Jokester173173 :
Is $200 a good deal for one bottle of hand sanitizer?

It's just isopropyl alcohol, like 50 cents a pint
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Zoe Moon
03-05-2020 at 10:52 PM.
03-05-2020 at 10:52 PM.
You can buy cleaning vinegar on Amazon if you don't mind paying $17.99 per gallon. EEK!


I use it on the litter boxes to kill the bacteria that makes the boxes smell bad, it's normally less than $2.50 at the grocery store.
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Dr. J
03-06-2020 at 05:46 AM.
03-06-2020 at 05:46 AM.
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Why media/gov say "don't panic" yet?

The Washington state people who died in US didn't even come in contact with covid people.

Somebody's not telling the truth.
No, it's likely there are people that have it but never have symptoms (or very slight), thus transmitting it to others. Viruses don't just manifest magically.
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03-06-2020 at 06:15 AM.
03-06-2020 at 06:15 AM.
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Well In a way your ok. You can always eat the cats if there is a run on the grocery stores.....
As much cat food as I keep laying around, I would eat that first. The dry cat food isn't bad at all. I already have a P95 mask that I got at Harbor Freight that I mostly just use when I am scooping the cat boxes.
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03-06-2020 at 06:48 AM.
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I'm not a doctor, and I don't even claim to be very intelligent. But isn't this about the time when the death rate starts dropping off? I don't mean they slow down, but as more tests are made accessible and administered they will come back positive for CV. The rate of contamination stays relatively the same, but the rate of verification increases. I'm not looking to debate it; I just want PC or someone smarter than me to tell me if this is true or not.
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03-06-2020 at 11:53 AM.
03-06-2020 at 11:53 AM.
Quote from chevvy :
I'm not a doctor, and I don't even claim to be very intelligent. But isn't this about the time when the death rate starts dropping off? I don't mean they slow down, but as more tests are made accessible and administered they will come back positive for CV. The rate of contamination stays relatively the same, but the rate of verification increases. I'm not looking to debate it; I just want PC or someone smarter than me to tell me if this is true or not.
I posted in another thread that the issue is basically there are people that have it that will never get symptoms, or very mild, at the very least won't be tested and therefore won't be tallied as a "positive". That presents an issue for assessing the true risk of death from the virus (which is what everybody is worried about). I saw an article in SCMP which explained that places where testing is much more prevalent as a whole (meaning they test big groups of people, not JUST people suspected of having it) like SK, this is why the observed mortality rate is much lower, like 0.5% or less. Sure they aren't capturing ALL of those aforementioned people, but they are certainly presenting a more complete picture of the virus than just counting people that show up at the Dr. with symptoms.

At some point, provided the risk pool stays consistent (e.g. it doesn't infect more, say, nursing homes than high schools), the mortality rate should plateau somewhere, not necessarily drop off or decline. So the other issue is that the mortality statistics are HEAVILY skewed to 70+ - mortality for <20 or so is basically zero, then it ticks up to ~ 0.4% up to the 60's or so, then climbs up to 15%+ for 80+ year olds (this data is mostly from China, early on in the epidemic, which we now know was more severe than it is currently). So if the virus has infected more elderly than young, the "bulk" mortality will be relatively high.

The CDC uses estimates to come up with that figure for the flu ~ 0.1%, because not everyone that comes down with the flu goes into the Dr. and gets tested. To show how squirrely the data can be, in CT they just reported that 65 people have died from the flu in the state thus far, with 2454 hospitalizations and 11149 positive tests. If you run those numbers you'd come up with ~ 0.58% mortality and 22% hospitalization!
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03-06-2020 at 12:24 PM.
03-06-2020 at 12:24 PM.
Quote from chevvy :
I'm not a doctor, and I don't even claim to be very intelligent. But isn't this about the time when the death rate starts dropping off? I don't mean they slow down, but as more tests are made accessible and administered they will come back positive for CV. The rate of contamination stays relatively the same, but the rate of verification increases. I'm not looking to debate it; I just want PC or someone smarter than me to tell me if this is true or not.

The death rate is probably not as high as it appears now due to undercounting of cases that are minimally symptomatic. But it is still likely to be many times higher than flu, which is about 0.1%, and many more people are going to contract Covid-19 because no one has immunity so a large percentage of those exposed will contract the disease. Also, because there is essentially zero herd immunity, many more people will be exposed and thus infected. There is a significant chance there will be upwards of half a million deaths in the US from this crap. I hope strongly I am wrong about this, but it scares me.

The rate of infection will be approximately the same as it is now, but the percent who become infected will be high. Thus, the number of people who get very sick or die will be high.

This is overwhelming the medical system in places where it is getting out of hand like Wuhan, Italy, and Iran. It is only a matter of a short time before it hits the US hard. There are not going to be enough hospital beds and likely not nearly enough ICU beds and ventilators for all the people who are going to need them unless we start instituting "social distancing" right now in the US. That means no person to person contact unless absolutely necessary, working from home if at all possible, avoiding public transit if at all possible, shopping rarely, avoiding restaurants, closing schools with online classes instead, avoiding going to church (look how it spread in South Korea). We need to slow this down to ameliorate the overload on the hospital system as well as give us a chance to catch up on finding possible anti-viral treatments and, ultimately, a vaccine. A vaccine is at lest a year away, realistically, despite the "hunches" of the incompetent.

There is no way the US could be as draconian as the Chinese have been with limiting spread. It is a true "1984" big brother situation there, with mandatory electronic app monitoring of movement, etc.

My friends, get yourself at least a three month supply of medications in case of supply chain interruptions in China or the US. Avoid interpersonal contact. Wash your hands or use antiseptic cleaner frequently.

Good luck everyone.
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Dr. J
03-06-2020 at 12:47 PM.
03-06-2020 at 12:47 PM.
There is basically no such thing as immunity from the flu [webmd.com] (do I really have to post a link, I mean, this is common knowledge); if there were, we wouldn't need flu shots, it would be almost like chicken pox was, hurry up and get it, get it over, and be set for life. In fact, you can get multiple strains per year [healthline.com](again, pretty common knowledge). So, all your sky is falling hysterics about covid don't make any sense.

The oft-cited R0 value [livescience.com] reflects how many people the average person with the disease infects; it's not a constant number and is only a reflection of historical activity.

Please, please please stop the hysterics. You're doing more harm than the actual virus [foxnews.com].
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03-06-2020 at 02:43 PM.
03-06-2020 at 02:43 PM.
Unique situation here in Seattle. Most tech companies have asked people to work from home till the end of the month so supplies are understandably limited.

Local Walgreens has storage containers in the lot. Got some extra TP and OTC meds online shipped to their store. Others must have done the same.
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Zoe Moon
03-06-2020 at 06:49 PM.
03-06-2020 at 06:49 PM.
DH went out for supplies today but did it really early, my asthma and some other things put me in at slightly higher risk level so I stayed home. By the time this is over I may be looking a bit like Gollum. EEK!
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