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Good card and a nice price. But nand and SSD prices are slowly falling so may not be such a good deal a month or two down the road, if you can wait. I am waiting for SSDs in this performance tier to fall to $100 or below.

For the 1TB m.2, this card currently has the best performance/price. Same controller and NAND as the Crucial P1 but faster. So I would recommend this over the Crucial. If WD black falls to this price, it might be a toss up, not that anybody would notice the difference except while running some benchmark tests. So between Crucial, Adata and WD I would go for the best deal. Samsungs are overpriced and the rest of the pack fall a tier below these. I would avoid the HP OEMs.

Edit: I take the recommendations for this card back. I misread the deal as being for the 8200 pro for which the above comments apply.
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Good card and a nice price. But nand and SSD prices are slowly falling so may not be such a good deal a month or two down the road, if you can wait. I am waiting for SSDs in this performance tier to fall to $100 or below.

For the 1TB m.2, this card currently has the best performance/price. Same controller and NAND as the Crucial P1 but faster. So I would recommend this over the Crucial. If WD black falls to this price, it might be a toss up, not that anybody would notice the difference except while running some benchmark tests. So between Crucial, Adata and WD I would go for the best deal. Samsungs are overpriced and the rest of the pack fall a tier below these. I would avoid the HP OEMs.
The crucial p1 does not use the same tlc nand. P1 uses qlc nand and will have clearly inferior performance for some workloads.

That said this is a dramless drive and performs pretty badly itself for some workloads and those workloads are probably more common than those the p1 is bad for. https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/reviews/adata-xpg-sx6000-ssd,6331.html the Intel 660p is almost the same as the p1 and is in the comparison charts for this article.

I can't really recommend this dramless drive or any of the current qlc drives as a general recommendation without knowing specifically what types of usage was intended. For a generally recommendable drive you need to move up $20-$30 to something like the sx8200 instead.
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The crucial p1 does not use the same tlc nand. P1 uses qlc nand and will have clearly inferior performance for some workloads.

That said this is a dramless drive and performs pretty badly itself for some workloads and those workloads are probably more common than those the p1 is bad for. https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/r...,6331.html the Intel 660p is almost the same as the p1 and is in the comparison charts for this article.

I can't really recommend this dramless drive or any of the current qlc drives as a general recommendation without knowing specifically what types of usage was intended. For a generally recommendable drive you need to move up $20-$30 to something like the sx8200 instead.
I disagree. Dramless SSDs are fine as secondary drives. QLC is completely fine for your every day user, and that includes gamers. No reason to spend more money when there is no noticeable difference in day to day usage for the vast majority of people.
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I disagree. Dramless SSDs are fine as secondary drives. QLC is completely fine for your every day user, and that includes gamers. No reason to spend more money when there is no noticeable difference in day to day usage for the vast majority of people.
If someone is buying this as secondary drive then it's fine. But in my case, my motherboard only has 1 M.2 slot, I would buy a DRAM nvme drive and TLC nand, I am not seeing saving $20 is worth.
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I would buy this now! This China debacle is getting worse and America will really feel the difference soon if things don't change.
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The crucial p1 does not use the same tlc nand. P1 uses qlc nand and will have clearly inferior performance for some workloads.

That said this is a dramless drive and performs pretty badly itself for some workloads and those workloads are probably more common than those the p1 is bad for. https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/r...,6331.html the Intel 660p is almost the same as the p1 and is in the comparison charts for this article.

I can't really recommend this dramless drive or any of the current qlc drives as a general recommendation without knowing specifically what types of usage was intended. For a generally recommendable drive you need to move up $20-$30 to something like the sx8200 instead.
You are correct about dramless. I misread the product as the 8200 pro which is the card I would recommend, not this one.

About QLC, I am not that convinced it is a real issue for non-enterprise uses. We went through a similar debate with switch from MLC to TLC. The knock against QLC isn't peformance as much as longevity.

With need for higher and higher densities at reasonable cost, QLCs are here to stay and won't die before the PC becomes obsolete. The edge cases are of theoretical interest.
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A much better dramless drive is available at the same price today. Wd blue sn550 for 112.99. Also at Newegg. Promo code required which I don't have handy.
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Good card and a nice price. But nand and SSD prices are slowly falling so may not be such a good deal a month or two down the road, if you can wait. I am waiting for SSDs in this performance tier to fall to $100 or below.

For the 1TB m.2, this card currently has the best performance/price. Same controller and NAND as the Crucial P1 but faster. So I would recommend this over the Crucial. If WD black falls to this price, it might be a toss up, not that anybody would notice the difference except while running some benchmark tests. So between Crucial, Adata and WD I would go for the best deal. Samsungs are overpriced and the rest of the pack fall a tier below these. I would avoid the HP OEMs.
Why do you say avoid HP SSDs? I have the HP EX950, and it has really good performance.
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Why do you say avoid HP SSDs? I have the HP EX950, and it has really good performance.
Primarily because they are orphans whose support and warranty backing is unclear. Even the firmware updates seem to come from third parties.

EX950 is an excellent performer. But I wouldn't purchase it at the same price as another comparable from a brand that is actively in the business of selling it and supporting it.
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Why do you say avoid HP SSDs? I have the HP EX950, and it has really good performance.
it 's good while working, warranty is a nightmare when you try to get a replacement.
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A much better dramless drive is available at the same price today. Wd blue sn550 for 112.99. Also at Newegg. Promo code required which I don't have handy.
Thats the one i wanted but ordered the the other blue ssd by mistake had to return it and can no longer use the 10% off promo
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If someone is buying this as secondary drive then it's fine. But in my case, my motherboard only has 1 M.2 slot, I would buy a DRAM nvme drive and TLC nand, I am not seeing saving $20 is worth.
That's ultimately your choice then. Most people necessarily do not care about such things. For me, 20 dollars spent elsewhere would result in more noticeable differences in performance. Such as an extra 20 dollars in a better cooler for better overclocks. Or 20 dollars in fans for your case for better temps and boost clocks for the GPU.
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You are correct about dramless. I misread the product as the 8200 pro which is the card I would recommend, not this one.

About QLC, I am not that convinced it is a real issue for non-enterprise uses. We went through a similar debate with switch from MLC to TLC. The knock against QLC isn't peformance as much as longevity.

With need for higher and higher densities at reasonable cost, QLCs are here to stay and won't die before the PC becomes obsolete. The edge cases are of theoretical interest.
People seem to always complain about the endurance of QLC, but they never realize that 99% of people will never even come close to the endurance rating within the lifespan of their PC. Just as Linus said, they're fine.
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I would buy this now! This China debacle is getting worse and America will really feel the difference soon if things don't change.
ADATA Is headquartered in Taiwan
Most NAND is made in South Korea (although Micron is actually HQ in Idaho, lol)
The controllers can come from any number of foundries across the world.
PCBs are mostly made in China these days, but can be made anywhere relatively cheap.

Power supplies and cases would-be/have-been most affected by increased tariffs as they are all pretty much exclusively made in China. The other PC component manufacturing facilities could be re-located (if they haven't been already). China isn't the "cheap labor" it once was, and the main advantage is the tooling and industrial engineering that is already there. So, convenience really.
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