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Details on how to understand the Mortgage basics and information that I understand for your learning can be accessed on this post (Click this hyperlink to go to the post); If you are new to this process and have questions this is a Must Read before asking question on the forum!
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
Shahhere
Old Thread - https://slickdeals.net/e/1223863-03-06-2009-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-30year-5-15year-5-arm-s-etc
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
All listed lenders are here because I shopped them and have encountered competitive pricing and not because I get any sort of a kickback....use this as a gauge for the latest but note that things can change week to week, day to day and even hour to hour:
07/14/2021 2.875% Better.com- Will consider Lender Match to beat Competitors and combine with Amex cashback (Click here for additional Forum thread details). Amex's "Digital Assist" Team @ 800-297-7500
07/14/2021 2.875% LoanDepot.com - Is competitive but works better if you have another offer for them. My LO Luke Dean
[email protected] 949-652-4521
07/14/2021 BSMFunding (David Pressel) - Call to get the latest rates (no published online). Very competitive rates; get everything in writing via email!
https://bsmfunding.mymortgage-onl...essel.html
David Pressel (NMLS: 562175)- Branch Manager - Phone: 908-208-2036
[email protected]
07/14/2021 2.5% LoanCabin [loancabin.com] - Most Competitive but refinance times have grow to almost 6 months for many people so proceed with caution as recent reviews indicate normal 1 month closing. Generally do not charge for big Lender Fees (A+B on LE) as they are under $100 in most cases; esp if appraisal is waived for your scenario.30 Year Fixed Jumbo Best Rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down):
07/14/2021 3% LenderFi - Competitive but might be slow and not work on beating other lender rates.
TBD15 year Fixed:
07/14/2021 2.0 % Better.com; matches Bankrate rates for themselves.Title Company Comparisions:
07/04/2020 2.5% NIH Credit Union with Lender Credit
RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).Alphabetical list of other lenders (some could be non-proven without direct member experiences posted here):
ALTTitle.com
https://www.valerotitle.com/ - Texas only.
- AimLoan - Will provide LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull https://www.amerisave.com/
- Better.com https://better.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - HighTechLending http://www.hightechlen
ding.co/Default.aspx - Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ Eric from IM is super rude so good luck dealing with this guy! - LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com [lenderfi.com]if the link wont work try this backend link: https://app.lenderfi.com/app/sign...r/lenderfi
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - Owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Provident Funding - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ - RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility traviscu.org - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
Shahhere
Old Thread - https://slickdeals.net/e/1223863-03-06-2009-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-30year-5-15year-5-arm-s-etc
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Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
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I think a lot of people get confused with regards to "no closing cost". Specifically I think that is with regards to A+B+C (as referenced in this post by volcomssj48 - https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
As per volcomssj48, this is a good place to go for a basic understanding of the LE (Loan Estimate) that should be provided to you by each lender once you give all of your information: https://www.consumerfin I'm in NJ so I can't really shop Title Insurance much as it's the cost is regulated by the state, however in other states, you can really cut down some of the costs in section "C". |
http://www.mortgagenew
Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Better.com https://better.com/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
- LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.co
m/ - owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility [traviscu.org] - Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
- RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - HighTechLending https://hightechlending
.mortgagewebcen ter.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - AimLoan - will give LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull
https://www.amerisave.com/ - Provident - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ Best Credit Back with 60% LTV or better. - Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ Skip these guys. They are being rude to Slickdealers. In one occasion they have explicitly said they don't want to do business with people from Slickdeals. They also have an approach where they give you the best rate initially and just raise it more each time you ask. - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - Annie Mac https://www.annie-mac.com/ Licensed in these states https://www.annie-mac.com/page/licensed-states/
- Rate Rabbit https://www.raterabbit.
com/ Licensed in MA and others [raterabbit.com]
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
For those needing clarity on LC closing costs, I was on the same boat. See what they charge here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r30ecea...t.png
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Here is a photo of my loan estimate from Loan Cabin, my lender credits should be closer to 3K based on my initial conversations with Bob so i'm following up with him on that.
I do see title insurance in my estimate. I reached out to Owning but I didn't quality for the no cost refinance option since my LTV was 73%, it has to be 50% or lower when I spoke to them. |
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Step0: Acronyms used in this thread:
Step1: The goal is to get a formal Loan Estimate (LE) from any lender you apply with and provide them your Social Security to do a Hard Pull. Note that for Mortgage related SS Hard pulls they are combined as a single inquiry and do not drop your credit score like individual credit card applications as this applies to Student Loan and Auto Loan shopping as well and is looked at a 14-45 day window. Step2: Understanding the Loan Estimate (LE) - A LE has been vastly standardized compared to the old Good Faith Estimate (GFE) and so the A-L letters correspond to he same(ish) information in this new standard format: Step3: Closing Cost shopping: Applying:
Step4: Apply to 5-15 places to yield the best results when shopping. Apply to your local Banks but note that many smaller mortgage companies have a higher threshold for rates and credits in your favor. Applying means that you'll have to provide your Social Security# and some preliminary data in an application to get documents sent to you such as a Loan Estimate (LE). Note from above that Mortgage, Student & Car Loan Hard Pulls are groups as single hits and won't drop your credit score in most cases for 14-45 days. Below are the most competitive lenders that I've encountered for my scenario with my own feedback:
30 Year rates to use for other rate platforms and please note that my rate will not necessarily mean you'll get that rate as market and individual changes will determine that and even your negotiation pull will determine that: Not all Lender will service your state so keep looking and look for other local smaller lenders and banks.
Step5: While applying take note to provide and send/upload all documents to the lender in as little of a time as possible as many lenders will drop your application if it's not received in 2 business days. Normal documentation: Step6: Title Company. As noted above you are allowed to pick your own Title company and in many cases you'll find competitive rates here with large savings compared to the Lender's preferred Title Company. Title Companies I've used in the past with good success and others: Step7: Negative points.
Step8: Breakeven Calculations and understanding money factor
Credit Score Analysis for my case:
- -3 point drop - Dec into January for refinance and was probably just the hard pull hitting the scores.
- -12 point drop - March after the loan funded this is unusually high as before it has been only a 6 point drop so not sure what else caused this big drop.
- +6 point Gain - June right before another refinance start; probably just recovering with on time payments etc.
- -3 point drop - Refinance applications put for multiple lenders (dozen).
- -3 point drop - July early, I think this is attributed to me applying late to Watermark for example.
So based on the trends I'll see another drop once the loan is secured and on the books of 7-12 points. My credit was in 830+ and is currently hanging out at 815 from Transunion (will vary by company).Putting it all together (thanks Zwitterion for the inspiration):
Lenders offer what's called a "Par Rate" which is their internal rate almost or no "points" or percentages on the loan amount. From there you can "Buy Down" the rate by paying points to get a lower rate or take a higher rate and get a "Credit" against the loan amount.
In standard scenario you want the best rate you can get without paying a lot of closing costs and getting the most credit towards your closing cost in section J of LE. The payoff calculation in standard scenarios is the net cost out of pocket after "Closing Costs" such as Origination Fee (Section A in LE), Credit Check, Flood Cert, MERs, Appraisal (Section B in in LE), Title Fees (Section C in LE) minus any Lender Credit from Section J in LE divided by the monthly payment difference between the original rate and the new rate is your breakeven point in months. Other costs in E-G section of the LE are considered costs you are paying for one way or another and shouldn't be calculated in your costs calculations. For example If you are paying $2000 in D (A+B+C=D) and getting aren't getting any credit in section J of LE it would take you 20 months to after which you will start saving on the interest of the loan if you are saving $100 a month between your higher original rate and the new refinance rate (e.g. Going from 3.75% to 2.75% and your monthly payments going from $1100 to $1000 = $100 a month savings). $2000 / $100 = 20 months = 1.6 Years
Aggressive Refinancing:
In non-standard or aggressive scenarios when the rates are trending down; markets are competitive; or if you know you won't live in the property after a certain time; or if the lender is giving large credits many people will take the said higher rate and take "Credit" to close the loan. The math behind this is that after you pay off the unavoidable "Closing Costs" in (A+B+C) and the credit you are getting would go towards that you pocket money after closing. Breakeven for this calculation is calculated by taking the 2 new rates and taking the difference between them. So for example your new refinance rate is 2.75% for which you are not getting any credit but your monthly payment will be $1000 vs 3% rate for which the lender is going to give you -$5000 credit to close the loan. In this example you your 2.75% monthly payments are at $1000 vs 3% being $1015 and so an increase of $15 a month more in monthly payments. Take the "closing costs" $2000 – "Credit" $5000 = $3000 coming back to you and you divide that by the month difference of $15 = $3000/$15 = 200 months before you start to pay a higher interest on the 3% higher loan amount.
In the second scenario if the breakeven is more than 4 Years before you start paying more in interest on the higher % loan should be considered as advantageous options. This is just a personal limit and for some it might be higher but in the examples where you have a scenario that leads to 80 or 100 or 200 months you are getting money upfront and if you invest that money moderately that break even becomes even longer and in your favor. There are regulations that prevent lenders from providing you extreme credits but even in instances where a large credit it provided it can be paid towards your Taxes and Escrows from Section E-I and the lender can rebate up to $2000 after all said and done before its considered a cash-out refinance.
Using the aggressive refinancing scenario many people can refinance multiple times over and over and in some instances 4-5 times in a calendar year. The big reason to keep doing this is so that you are making money after the loan closes and all the closing costs from (ABC) are paid and that money is left over. Few things to consider here
Shahhere
Lender: owning.com (Operates only in CA)
Loan Type: Refinance, 30yr Fixed Conventional
Loan: Jumbo, ~650k
LTV: 65%
Rate: 2.99%
Points: 0.25
Appraisal: Waived
Closing Costs: $1600
You should definitely check out this lender, I did my research and had multiple competing offers from different lenders but none could beat this lender. Most of the other offers were not even close. I'm interested to see if anyone else has a better offer for a Jumbo.
#1. It is important, when negotiating with multiple lenders, to understand your out of pocket costs. Some of these out of pocket costs include prepaid interest, home insurance, escrow, etc that should be ignored when comparing other offers. Some charge more and some charge less but it is basically noise when comparing as you are paying for yourself.
#2. Other costs like underwriting fees, appraisal fee, document fee, points, etc are the true expenses to you when closing and needs to be compared against other offers.
Goal should be to lower your true OOP closing costs (#2) as much as possible. If rates go further down south in the near future would you be able to refinance again if your current OOP costs (down the drain) are higher?!
Always get a loan estimate (LE) from a lender with a rate lock. There are lot of players (lenders) out there who low ball other offers but these players cannot give you a LE with rate locked. Its a great tactic by them to put you in limbo and trying to earn your business.
Some lenders try to roll in the closing costs into your loan amount there by increasing the loan amount but $0 in OOP costs. Try not to get sucked into it. Know your numbers, and always go for what you can afford.
I've had 2.99% on 15 yr for about 5 yrs now. Would love to switch to 2.25% but don't think this exists?
Lender: owning.com
Loan: Jumbo
Rate: 2.99%
Points: 0.25
Closing Costs: $1600
You should definitely check out this lender, I did my research and had multiple competing offers from different lenders but none could beat this lender. Most of the other offers were not even close. I'm interested to see if anyone else has a better offer for a Jumbo.
Lender: owning.com
Loan: Jumbo
Rate: 2.99%
Points: 0.25
Closing Costs: $1600
You should definitely check out this lender, I did my research and had multiple competing offers from different lenders but none could beat this lender. Most of the other offers were not even close. I'm interested to see if anyone else has a better offer for a Jumbo.
Refinance or new loan?
Lender: owning.com
Loan: Jumbo
Rate: 2.99%
Points: 0.25
Closing Costs: $1600
You should definitely check out this lender, I did my research and had multiple competing offers from different lenders but none could beat this lender. Most of the other offers were not even close. I'm interested to see if anyone else has a better offer for a Jumbo.
I have a 30 year at 2.75% with $1000 back in points on almost a $230K loan with LoanCabin so you'll need to post your Loan and other items to get a true compare. I assume this is also for a Jumbo as you noted that in the later part which might make sense as the Jumbo Rates are higher.
The biggest problem I see is that this is for California only based on the input fields on their website........
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I've had 2.99% on 15 yr for about 5 yrs now. Would love to switch to 2.25% but don't think this exists?
I got 2.5% fixed for 15 yr with some lender credit at NIH credit union.
Check credit unions. The rates vary a lot between credit unions (I have accounts at many credit unions to have access to their products). I closed mid May on mine.
I've had 2.99% on 15 yr for about 5 yrs now. Would love to switch to 2.25% but don't think this exists?
I just refi'ed from 3.5% 20 year loan to 15 year loan and got 2.625% with no points/fees. Mortgage amount was about 400k.
Also, how much is the usual closing cost for loan cabin? I got 5k lender credits from better.com with a 3% rate