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Details on how to understand the Mortgage basics and information that I understand for your learning can be accessed on this post (Click this hyperlink to go to the post); If you are new to this process and have questions this is a Must Read before asking question on the forum!
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
Shahhere
Old Thread - https://slickdeals.net/e/1223863-03-06-2009-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-30year-5-15year-5-arm-s-etc
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
All listed lenders are here because I shopped them and have encountered competitive pricing and not because I get any sort of a kickback....use this as a gauge for the latest but note that things can change week to week, day to day and even hour to hour:
07/14/2021 2.875% Better.com- Will consider Lender Match to beat Competitors and combine with Amex cashback (Click here for additional Forum thread details). Amex's "Digital Assist" Team @ 800-297-7500
07/14/2021 2.875% LoanDepot.com - Is competitive but works better if you have another offer for them. My LO Luke Dean
[email protected] 949-652-4521
07/14/2021 BSMFunding (David Pressel) - Call to get the latest rates (no published online). Very competitive rates; get everything in writing via email!
https://bsmfunding.mymortgage-onl...essel.html
David Pressel (NMLS: 562175)- Branch Manager - Phone: 908-208-2036
[email protected]
07/14/2021 2.5% LoanCabin [loancabin.com] - Most Competitive but refinance times have grow to almost 6 months for many people so proceed with caution as recent reviews indicate normal 1 month closing. Generally do not charge for big Lender Fees (A+B on LE) as they are under $100 in most cases; esp if appraisal is waived for your scenario.30 Year Fixed Jumbo Best Rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down):
07/14/2021 3% LenderFi - Competitive but might be slow and not work on beating other lender rates.
TBD15 year Fixed:
07/14/2021 2.0 % Better.com; matches Bankrate rates for themselves.Title Company Comparisions:
07/04/2020 2.5% NIH Credit Union with Lender Credit
RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).Alphabetical list of other lenders (some could be non-proven without direct member experiences posted here):
ALTTitle.com
https://www.valerotitle.com/ - Texas only.
- AimLoan - Will provide LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull https://www.amerisave.com/
- Better.com https://better.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - HighTechLending http://www.hightechlen
ding.co/Default.aspx - Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ Eric from IM is super rude so good luck dealing with this guy! - LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com [lenderfi.com]if the link wont work try this backend link: https://app.lenderfi.com/app/sign...r/lenderfi
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - Owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Provident Funding - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ - RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility traviscu.org - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
Shahhere
Old Thread - https://slickdeals.net/e/1223863-03-06-2009-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-30year-5-15year-5-arm-s-etc
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Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
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I think a lot of people get confused with regards to "no closing cost". Specifically I think that is with regards to A+B+C (as referenced in this post by volcomssj48 - https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
As per volcomssj48, this is a good place to go for a basic understanding of the LE (Loan Estimate) that should be provided to you by each lender once you give all of your information: https://www.consumerfin I'm in NJ so I can't really shop Title Insurance much as it's the cost is regulated by the state, however in other states, you can really cut down some of the costs in section "C". |
http://www.mortgagenew
Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Better.com https://better.com/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
- LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.co
m/ - owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility [traviscu.org] - Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
- RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - HighTechLending https://hightechlending
.mortgagewebcen ter.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - AimLoan - will give LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull
https://www.amerisave.com/ - Provident - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ Best Credit Back with 60% LTV or better. - Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ Skip these guys. They are being rude to Slickdealers. In one occasion they have explicitly said they don't want to do business with people from Slickdeals. They also have an approach where they give you the best rate initially and just raise it more each time you ask. - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - Annie Mac https://www.annie-mac.com/ Licensed in these states https://www.annie-mac.com/page/licensed-states/
- Rate Rabbit https://www.raterabbit.
com/ Licensed in MA and others [raterabbit.com]
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
For those needing clarity on LC closing costs, I was on the same boat. See what they charge here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r30ecea...t.png
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Here is a photo of my loan estimate from Loan Cabin, my lender credits should be closer to 3K based on my initial conversations with Bob so i'm following up with him on that.
I do see title insurance in my estimate. I reached out to Owning but I didn't quality for the no cost refinance option since my LTV was 73%, it has to be 50% or lower when I spoke to them. |
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What was the end date on the Rocket Mortgage offer? Again, hardly anyone has mentioned them here so I doubt their rates are competitive at all...
Shahhere
When comparing the two offers, it is most important to understand what is a true comparable. When looking at fees, it is important to only compare things that are specific to each lender. The things to compare are listed in sections A, B, C and letter J under lender credit.
Sections E, F and G are going to be the same for each lender, and therefore these fees should not be compared. Taxes are determined by the government, pre-paids will depend on your closing date, property taxes will also be determined by the government and insurance payments will be determined by the insurance company.
Background: refi from 4.00 to 3.25 with better.com back in Feb. Locked with LoanDepot on 7/6 at 2.75 with 30yrs fixed conventional with following info:
Loan Amount: 485K
LTV: 58%
Debt to Income: 24%
Credit Score: 790+
A= $1595
B = $112 (Already paid $20 for credit report to lock the rate)
C= $900
I= $1056
D+I = 3663
Lender Credits: $4768
I saw someone can get 2.625 with Watermark and Loan Cabin. My LO at LoanDepot said he can try to price match, but need to send competitive LE up high to do so. He's pretty cool guy. Seems responsive to text and email. Also I kinda like loanDepot interface and everything is via web. Will try on Monday to shop around and see.
Anyhow, this is another helpful thread. Normally lurking in Hot Deals forum, but someone was nice enough to link from Better.com thread. I believe it was OP. Thanks again. Looking forward to hearing feedback from SDers.
Sidenote: Anyone's trying to get $100 from Better.com if they couldn't match it
What was the end date on the Rocket Mortgage offer? Again, hardly anyone has mentioned them here so I doubt their rates are competitive at all...
Shahhere
Quick one, I saw one your mortgage basics that you say that waivering escrow of insurance and RE tax cause a .25% higher rate. I've asked brokers a number of times on this and they always its a matter of preference and no difference. If I have a locked rate LE with no escrow can I ask the lender to put on escrows and expect my rate to drop with all else the same?
I shopped for a 20 year loan for about $230K with no escrow impounding I have a 800+ credit score, high income / low debt, and my house is worth about #1.2M on Zillow.
I received quotes from Watermark, Loan Depot, Northpointe, Better.com, NavyFed, Prospect Financial, Lenderfi, DirectFincial, Aimloan, and others.
Most of the offers were 2.875% to 3.0% (or higher) w/ high closing costs which made the refinance a non-starter.
Watermark provide a quote and then a LE for 2.5% 20 year with no escrow account for $300 in points and $3000 in Loan Costs (Line D of LE). They tried but could not get the appraisal waived.
I thought this sounded to be good to be true and have not seen anyone offering a 2.5% 20 year that comes close to this price. Most lenders require $4-5K in points for this rate. Better said they could not offer 2.5% - 20 year loan and could not match it. I had another competitive LE for 2.75% and Better was able to beat it by $1000.
At Better, I was able to get a 2.75%, 20 year, no escrow for $1780 in closing costs (LE line D). I am also eligible for the $2500 AMEX credit and cost waiver for the appraisal With this AMEX credit, it covers my total closing costs and I will have a $100 extra in my pocket after closing.
For the monthly payment, the cost difference will be $20 more for the 2.75%.
Has anyone completed the process and closed with Watermark with a similar rate/LE? I am a little concerned the cost will go higher as the loan progresses. I have had several lenders state this is "to good to be true"
I shopped for a 20 year loan for about $230K with no escrow impounding I have a 800+ credit score, high income / low debt, and my house is worth about #1.2M on Zillow.
I received quotes from Watermark, Loan Depot, Northpointe, Better.com, NavyFed, Prospect Financial, Lenderfi, DirectFincial, Aimloan, and others.
Most of the offers were 2.875% to 3.0% (or higher) w/ high closing costs which made the refinance a non-starter.
Watermark provide a quote and then a LE for 2.5% 20 year with no escrow account for $300 in points and $3000 in Loan Costs (Line D of LE). They tried but could not get the appraisal waived.
I thought this sounded to be good to be true and have not seen anyone offering a 2.5% 20 year that comes close to this price. Most lenders require $4-5K in points for this rate. Better said they could not offer 2.5% - 20 year loan and could not match it. I had another competitive LE for 2.75% and Better was able to beat it by $1000.
At Better, I was able to get a 2.75%, 20 year, no escrow for $1780 in closing costs (LE line D). I am also eligible for the $2500 AMEX credit and cost waiver for the appraisal With this AMEX credit, it covers my total closing costs and I will have a $100 extra in my pocket after closing.
For the monthly payment, the cost difference will be $20 more for the 2.75%.
Has anyone completed the process and closed with Watermark with a similar rate/LE? I am a little concerned the cost will go higher as the loan progresses. I have had several lenders state this is "to good to be true"
Watermark was used and recommended by many people before I put them on the thread so its not a no name company for sure. Their online review are good as well and I understand it can be manipulated but this is from reputable websites.
If you have a locked rate I dont think your numbers should change as most lender including WM overestimate costs as there are limits on how much higher they can go from a LE to the final Paperwork (Legal rules).
Shahhere
When I bought my house I did not waive, but after they sold my loan and a few months passed, I got the new company to waive escrow for no cost. I'm taking the same gamble again.
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The lock is listed in the top right of the LE. I am assuming if the lock is shown on the LE, then it is locked. Another lender told me its not locked until you receive some lock paperwork from underwriting. .
The lock is listed in the top right of the LE. I am assuming if the lock is shown on the LE, then it is locked. Another lender told me its not locked until you receive some lock paperwork from underwriting. .
No, the rate lock is the rate lock and will be indicated on the LE along with when its valid for. The lender can still pull your application if you do not submit certain paperwork they need for underwriting in a timely fashion which at times is 2-3 days.
Shahhere
My LTV would be between 55% to 65%. Credit score 780+. Loan balance $171k.
You can also get a loan estimate from them and then get Better to match. There are of course a lot of other places on here that people mentioned. This site just gives you real rates upfront on their website.
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Homework and Understanding:
Step1: The goal is to get a formal Loan Estimate (LE) from any lender you apply with and provide them your Social Security to do a Hard Pull. Note that for Mortgage related SS Hard pulls they are combined as a single inquiry and do not drop your credit score like individual credit card applications as this applies to Student Loan and Auto Loan shopping as well and is looked at a 14-45 day window. Step2: Understanding the Loan Estimate as they are overall in a standard format: Step3: Closing Cost shopping: Applying:
Step4: Apply to 5-15 places to yield the best results when shopping. Apply to your local Banks but note that many smaller mortgage companies have a higher threshold for rates and credits in your favor. Applying means that you'll have to provide your Social Security# and some preliminary data in an application to get documents sent to you such as a Loan Estimate (LE). Note from above that Mortgage, Student & Car Loan Hard Pulls are groups as single hits and won't drop your credit score in most cases for 14-45 days. Below are the most competitive lenders that I've encountered for my scenario with my own feedback:
30 Year rates to use for other rate platforms and please note that my rate will not necessarily mean you'll get that rate as market and individual changes will determine that and even your negotiation pull will determine that: Not all Lender will service your state so keep looking and look for other local smaller lenders and banks.
Step5: While applying take note to provide and send/upload all documents to the lender in as little of a time as possible as many lenders will drop your application if it's not received in 2 business days. Normal documentation: Step6: Title Company. As noted above you are allowed to pick your own Title company and in many cases you'll find competitive rates here with large savings compared to the Lender's preferred Title Company. Title Companies I've used in the past with good success and others: Step7: Negative points.
Step8: Breakeven Calculations and understanding money factor
Shahhere
Would it be helpful to note that different lenders may list different (sometimes wildly different) amounts in boxes F and G on their LEs but that the final F and G costs will generally be the same with every lender? This might help people compare apples to apples when looking at different LEs, and also warn people that their final costs at closing may be higher (sometimes by thousands) than on an LE.