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Target price of $129 less the 10% coupon is $116. Coupon Expires 10/31

#1 Rated by the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

You can get the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) for $116 at TARGET (see below)
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

HOW TO GET IT FOR $116 AT TARGET (2 WAYS)
New price is $129 and then apply the 10% off one electronic item (Target circle coupon). Total came to $116 and change. If you are a target Redcard member get additional 5% Redcard discount[/QUOTE]

10% coupon can be found here (Expires October 31):
https://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=14448551&sdop=1&sdpid=141342461&sdfid=30&lno=1&trd=https%20www%20target%20com%20offers%20targ&pv=&au=&sdtrk=SiteSearchV2Algo1&u2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.target.com%2Foffers%2Ftarget-circle[/QUOTE]

At Walmart, you can get the $99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20) model. Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it. Through Target (see above, you can get the AX 3000 for $116)

WALMART
$99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin.../210201077

FOR ONLY $17 More (Target), you can upgrade from the Archer AX20 (AX1800) to the TP-LINK Archer AX50, i.e., AX 3000,
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

COMPARISON OF AX20 ($99) VS AX50 ($129) [ Thanks - zpeedster_m ]; Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

TP-Link Archer AX50
The best Wi-Fi router
In our tests the TP-Link Archer AX50 created a speedy, responsive network even from across a medium house. You have to spend a lot more on a router—or a mesh kit if you have a very large home—to get anything even a little better. It's our first WI-Fi 6 (802.11ax) router pick.

The TP-Link Archer AX50 is reasonably priced, yet it can handle a growing selection of laptops and smart devices while surpassing the performance of routers that cost twice as much. It's generally speedy and able to reach long range, it has little lag even when the network is busy, and it's a great choice if you have a high-performance internet service plan. It's compatible with Wi-Fi 6, the latest wireless standard, and it comes with built-in security in the form of a lifetime subscription to updates.

TP-Link Archer AX20
If our main pick is unavailable
The Archer AX20 offers fewer features than our pick for a slightly lower price, but in most cases it can keep up in throughput, responsiveness, and ease of setup.

If our pick is out of stock or its price is more than $30 higher, you should consider the TP-Link Archer AX20 instead. The AX20 looks like the AX50 and offers a strong, responsive network that's nearly as good, especially if your house isn't larger than our 2,300-square-foot-test home. But it's not quite as fast at longer ranges, and TP-Link sacrifices a few advanced features and settings in its administration interface to meet the lower price

REVIEWS (Thanks "PeteyTheStriker")
https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.[/QUOTE]

OTHER THINGS TO NOTE:

1. Donknows has a review on the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) this has thoroughly been discredited on this thread.

Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
As was mentioned by me and a few others, that DONGKNOWS review is poorly done. It is not an apples to apples comparison, he used a router with a brand new firmware comparing to an identical router with firmware over 6 months old which had major problems just like any other router around that time. It takes time to work out the bugs and TP-Link, Netgear, Asus to name a few all put out routers with bugged performance with their first set of Wifi 6 routers. So yeah..... Important to make apples to apples instead of reading something without understanding the testing. If he did it the correct way he would have had both side by side on the same firmware.The routers are identical outside USB 3.0 port and Homecare included on one, so you will get identical performance results with the same firmware.

2. CAT7, a CAT 6 or CAT5e cable is needed for gigabit Ethernet. Most cables made for the last 10 years are already 5e, so just saying that cables are usually never a bottleneck.
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Target price of $129 less the 10% coupon is $116. Coupon Expires 10/31

#1 Rated by the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

You can get the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) for $116 at TARGET (see below)
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

HOW TO GET IT FOR $116 AT TARGET (2 WAYS)
New price is $129 and then apply the 10% off one electronic item (Target circle coupon). Total came to $116 and change. If you are a target Redcard member get additional 5% Redcard discount[/QUOTE]

10% coupon can be found here (Expires October 31):
https://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=14448551&sdop=1&sdpid=141342461&sdfid=30&lno=1&trd=https%20www%20target%20com%20offers%20targ&pv=&au=&sdtrk=SiteSearchV2Algo1&u2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.target.com%2Foffers%2Ftarget-circle[/QUOTE]

At Walmart, you can get the $99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20) model. Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it. Through Target (see above, you can get the AX 3000 for $116)

WALMART
$99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin.../210201077

FOR ONLY $17 More (Target), you can upgrade from the Archer AX20 (AX1800) to the TP-LINK Archer AX50, i.e., AX 3000,
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

COMPARISON OF AX20 ($99) VS AX50 ($129) [ Thanks - zpeedster_m ]; Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

TP-Link Archer AX50
The best Wi-Fi router
In our tests the TP-Link Archer AX50 created a speedy, responsive network even from across a medium house. You have to spend a lot more on a router—or a mesh kit if you have a very large home—to get anything even a little better. It's our first WI-Fi 6 (802.11ax) router pick.

The TP-Link Archer AX50 is reasonably priced, yet it can handle a growing selection of laptops and smart devices while surpassing the performance of routers that cost twice as much. It's generally speedy and able to reach long range, it has little lag even when the network is busy, and it's a great choice if you have a high-performance internet service plan. It's compatible with Wi-Fi 6, the latest wireless standard, and it comes with built-in security in the form of a lifetime subscription to updates.

TP-Link Archer AX20
If our main pick is unavailable
The Archer AX20 offers fewer features than our pick for a slightly lower price, but in most cases it can keep up in throughput, responsiveness, and ease of setup.

If our pick is out of stock or its price is more than $30 higher, you should consider the TP-Link Archer AX20 instead. The AX20 looks like the AX50 and offers a strong, responsive network that's nearly as good, especially if your house isn't larger than our 2,300-square-foot-test home. But it's not quite as fast at longer ranges, and TP-Link sacrifices a few advanced features and settings in its administration interface to meet the lower price

REVIEWS (Thanks "PeteyTheStriker")
https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.[/QUOTE]

OTHER THINGS TO NOTE:

1. Donknows has a review on the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) this has thoroughly been discredited on this thread.

Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
As was mentioned by me and a few others, that DONGKNOWS review is poorly done. It is not an apples to apples comparison, he used a router with a brand new firmware comparing to an identical router with firmware over 6 months old which had major problems just like any other router around that time. It takes time to work out the bugs and TP-Link, Netgear, Asus to name a few all put out routers with bugged performance with their first set of Wifi 6 routers. So yeah..... Important to make apples to apples instead of reading something without understanding the testing. If he did it the correct way he would have had both side by side on the same firmware.The routers are identical outside USB 3.0 port and Homecare included on one, so you will get identical performance results with the same firmware.

2. CAT7, a CAT 6 or CAT5e cable is needed for gigabit Ethernet. Most cables made for the last 10 years are already 5e, so just saying that cables are usually never a bottleneck.

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#1: Not a problem. Thanks. By the way, does the AX3000 support network printing?
#2: I will swap out the modem. I guess because they they sent me a modem/voice device, does it mean I have to get rid of the Arris Voice MTA that I have as well?

Nice that there is no rental fee on the modem/voice device. I can't believe Spectrum is so nice.
Its not listed in the AX3000 manual either, could just be a oversite though since they expect a lot of people to have wireless printers by now.

https://static.tp-link.com/2019/2..._UG_V1.pdf

I know comcast allows users to use both, so I believe you might be able to use both as well. That is up to Spectrum and how they operate so I cant speak for sure.
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im still rocking my netgear r7800.
im in a 1bdrm apartment so it covers me fine but now my cell and laptop have wifi 6. debating the move to a wifi 6 router and which.

most of my devices are 5ghz ac. some 2.4ghz iot devices.

ill probably wait till black friday
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
Its not listed in the AX3000 manual either, could just be a oversite though since they expect a lot of people to have wireless printers by now.

https://static.tp-link.com/2019/2..._UG_V1.pdf

I know comcast allows users to use both, so I believe you might be able to use both as well. That is up to Spectrum and how they operate so I cant speak for sure.
Thanks.
If I want to see the SB 6141, do I need to delete anything that's stored on it? If so, what is the process? Thanks.
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Thanks.
If I want to see the SB 6141, do I need to delete anything that's stored on it? If so, what is the process? Thanks.
Nothing to be done but get it removed off your account from spectrum.
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
This is the lowest price its ever been currently. I actually think this is the new normal price for it. This X20/AX1800 for an extra $20 over the AX1500 I would say is a great pick up cause of the quad core processor alone. On top of that you get more total bandwidth too 1.8Gbps vs the 1.2Gbps o the AX1500. You also get a USB port for attaching storage which the AX1500 did not have.

I believe this is the new replacement for the AX1500 entry level router, and they might be discontinuing the AX1500 quietly.



Dont own it, but reviewers are reporting 800 Mbps within the same room as the router, and around 450Mbps around 30ish feet away.

This is if your using a wifi 6 client, if your using wifi 5 gear you wont see much of a change from your current speeds.
Thank you. I'll go for the Ax1800 then. Know the difference between AX21 and AX20 tho?

Also I'm seeing $130 for ax3000
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
Nothing to be done but get it removed off your account from spectrum.
Thanks.

I activated the CISCO Technicolor DPC3216 but am getting weird testing results on speedof.me, which gives me a download speed of 125 to 150 mbps

whereas, several other speed tests give me approx. 230 mbps (Spectrum speed test, ATT speed test, fast.com, speedtest.net, easy.net/speedtest/)

Note that before I swapped the modem to the CISCO , the Motorola SB 6141 gave me 230 mbps on speedofme.com, which is higher than that of CISCO Technicolor DPC3216 (125 to 150 mbps).

What's going on?

Update: Just ran Speedof.me and am now getting a reading of 196 gbps then 5 minutes later 145 gbps then 160 gbps. Still far much lower than the 230 mbps of other tests and the Motorola. Could you give me your insight?
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Thank you. I'll go for the Ax1800 then. Know the difference between AX21 and AX20 tho?

Also I'm seeing $130 for ax3000
AX21 vs AX20, improved ventilation design, that's it.

If you can afford it go for the AX3000 it is the next step up and worth the extra $30.

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Quote from JoyTan :
Thanks.

I activated the CISCO Technicolor DPC3216 but am getting weird testing results on speedof.me, which gives me a download speed of 125 to 150 mbps

whereas, several other speed tests give me approx. 230 mbps (Spectrum speed test, ATT speed test, fast.com, speedtest.net, easy.net/speedtest/)

Note that before I swapped the modem to the CISCO , the Motorola SB 6141 gave me 230 mbps on speedofme.com, which is higher than that of CISCO Technicolor DPC3216 (125 to 150 mbps).

What's going on?

Update: Just ran Speedof.me and am now getting a reading of 196 gbps then 5 minutes later 145 gbps then 160 gbps. Still far much lower than the 230 mbps of other tests and the Motorola. Could you give me your insight?
The newer modems are more sensitive to issues in wiring and problems in the area. Try it out for 24 hours and see if you see any improvement, if it does not stabilize it might mean that there are issues with your home wiring which are not allowing it to work at optimal speeds. You should not expect over 200Mbps anything over 200Mbps is bonus. If your old modem is not deactivated off your account you can always switch back to if you dont want to deal with the hassle of having someone come out and inspect everything.
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AX21 vs AX20, improved ventilation design, that's it.

If you can afford it go for the AX3000 it is the next step up and worth the extra $30.
Oh ok no wonder the prices were almost the same. I'd get the ax3000 is the ps5 my laptop and phone will take full advantage of it. Only bad thing I heard about ax3000 is heat
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
The newer modems are more sensitive to issues in wiring and problems in the area. Try it out for 24 hours and see if you see any improvement, if it does not stabilize it might mean that there are issues with your home wiring which are not allowing it to work at optimal speeds. You should not expect over 200Mbps anything over 200Mbps is bonus. If your old modem is not deactivated off your account you can always switch back to if you dont want to deal with the hassle of having someone come out and inspect everything.
1. I am OK for now and will try tests again tomorrow.
2. By the way, I used to have a splitter with one coax cable connected to the Arris voice and another connected to the Motorola SB6141. Since now voice and internet are on one device, I don't need a splitter connected direct. I assume this is plus.
3. Again, to confirm:
I can sell the SB 6141 without having "to delete" anything from it. I just need to make sure it is deactivated on Spectrum. Correct?
4. Can I sell the Arris or have to delete anything on it? Likewise, do I need to delete anything from my TP Link 841? If there is no value to these two, I assume this goes straight to the recycle/trash?

Thanks for all your help.
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Quote from JoyTan :
1. I am OK for now and will try tests again tomorrow.
2. By the way, I used to have a splitter with one coax cable connected to the Arris voice and another connected to the Motorola SB6141. Since now voice and internet are on one device, I don't need a splitter connected direct. I assume this is plus.
3. Again, to confirm:
I can sell the SB 6141 without having "to delete" anything from it. I just need to make sure it is deactivated on Spectrum. Correct?
4. Can I sell the Arris or have to delete anything on it? Likewise, do I need to delete anything from my TP Link 841? If there is no value to these two, I assume this goes straight to the recycle/trash?

Thanks for all your help.
Yes, removing the splitter will actually improve your signal going into the modem so it can help get better speeds.

The arris also has to be removed off your account, before you can do anything with it. The router, just to be on the safe side you can press and hold the reset button with a paper clip for 20-30 seconds while its plugged in and it will reset the device, but for the most part there is nothing important on there besides your old password for your wifi network if someone were to access it and bypass the password you set on it, they could see it.

Yes you can sell it, not sure how much of a value you will get from selling it, but yes they can be recycled too.

Enjoy the new router!
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Quote from sovandara_chea :
The Costco one is better because it has MU-MIMO, this is needed if you plan to have a lot of devices on the router (Wifi Home automations). I have the Walmart edition and currently it's a bit struggling with 33 devices (28 on 2.4 Ghz and 5 on 5 GHz)
That's whole lot of nothingness ... I have one phone and one laptop w/ wifi off 99% of the time. What are the cheapest alternatives?
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In other words you're saying mid-high end WiFi 5 > lowest end WiFi 6 router
Yes. I have a Linksys WRT32XB ($40 Walmart clearance deal). It's not the best router by any means but it blows this $100 TP-Link router out of the water. I read a lot of reviews of this TP-Link and it's a joke because people are so clueless. By looking at their bragging screenshots on their reviews, they assume that after hooking up this Wi-Fi 6 router all their old AC devices will be magically compatible with Wi-Fi 6 and they're going to be getting 400mbps when they only pay for 300mbps with their internet provider. Sighs... Of course, if you're coming from a 2005 $20 2.4GHz only N router you're going to see a major improvement on your 5GHz AC capable devices. Over 90% of the devices sold today will not allow you to benefit from the Wi-Fi 6 AX tech. If you are are using your modems' built in router any AC router will be a significant upgrade. But this will not magically give you faster download / upload speeds than you would get connected to an Ethernet cable directly into your router. It doesn't work this way. Unless more than half of my personal devices happen to be fully compatible with Wi-Fi 6 AX, I'm not upgrading to a Wi-Fi 6 router. Especially when they're not tri band or fully compatible with all previous bands. All of my recent modern devices, like my gaming laptop and gaming desktop are AC compatible and are capable of downloading and uploading at around 600Mbps on a 1Gbps fiber connection. The other night I downloaded a game on my Xbox One X at close to 350Mbps which is plenty fast over Wi-Fi, well over 1GB download per minute. I have 44 smart light bulbs, 2 smart wall plugs, 3 Google Chromecast, 3 Google Home speakers, 3 smart sound bars with Google Assistant, 5 laptops, 1 gaming desktop, 3 smart TVs, Wi-Fi Android powered car stereo, 4 smart phones, 2 iPads. All of these devices (well over 60 total) can be connected simultaneously with my Linksys router. The vast majority of these devices only operate in the 2.4GHz band so they will not benefit from Wi-Fi 6 AX.
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There's a reason walmart's Ax3000 is different than the Ax50 like $20 difference. If a simple firmware upgrade gets you AX50 performance great. I got a refurb AX50 from Amazon for $135.99 My old TP-Link Archer C7 I got long time ago for $66 was lagging and I live in a crowded wifi signal area. I have Verizon fios and C7 was lucky to get over 50 this refurb AX50 getting over 230. With 2 kids remote learning I wanted to future-proof and get wifi 6 tech and not worry for coupe years. Plus with this refurb from Amazon if it flakes back it goes and there will defin, be more router deals black fri, cyber mon and x-mas. I coulda gotten something less for +/- $100 but after researching wifi 6 routers the AX50 is a top choice.

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Is the Amazon item (link below) identical to the Walmart one in the deal. The amazon one states "ax20" but the walmart doesn't:

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Wi...85288G3M/?

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Quote from zpeedster_m :
There's a reason walmart's Ax3000 is different than the Ax50 like $20 difference. If a simple firmware upgrade gets you AX50 performance great. I got a refurb AX50 from Amazon for $135.99 My old TP-Link Archer C7 I got long time ago for $66 was lagging and I live in a crowded wifi signal area. I have Verizon fios and C7 was lucky to get over 50 this refurb AX50 getting over 230. With 2 kids remote learning I wanted to future-proof and get wifi 6 tech and not worry for coupe years. Plus with this refurb from Amazon if it flakes back it goes and there will defin, be more router deals black fri, cyber mon and x-mas. I coulda gotten something less for +/- $100 but after researching wifi 6 routers the AX50 is a top choice.
I couldn't get your bottomline. Are you saying the AX50 is worth the $30 difference over the AX20?
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