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Target price of $129 less the 10% coupon is $116. Coupon Expires 10/31

#1 Rated by the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

You can get the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) for $116 at TARGET (see below)
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

HOW TO GET IT FOR $116 AT TARGET (2 WAYS)
New price is $129 and then apply the 10% off one electronic item (Target circle coupon). Total came to $116 and change. If you are a target Redcard member get additional 5% Redcard discount[/QUOTE]

10% coupon can be found here (Expires October 31):
https://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=14448551&sdop=1&sdpid=141342461&sdfid=30&lno=1&trd=https%20www%20target%20com%20offers%20targ&pv=&au=&sdtrk=SiteSearchV2Algo1&u2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.target.com%2Foffers%2Ftarget-circle[/QUOTE]

At Walmart, you can get the $99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20) model. Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it. Through Target (see above, you can get the AX 3000 for $116)

WALMART
$99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin.../210201077

FOR ONLY $17 More (Target), you can upgrade from the Archer AX20 (AX1800) to the TP-LINK Archer AX50, i.e., AX 3000,
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

COMPARISON OF AX20 ($99) VS AX50 ($129) [ Thanks - zpeedster_m ]; Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

TP-Link Archer AX50
The best Wi-Fi router
In our tests the TP-Link Archer AX50 created a speedy, responsive network even from across a medium house. You have to spend a lot more on a router—or a mesh kit if you have a very large home—to get anything even a little better. It's our first WI-Fi 6 (802.11ax) router pick.

The TP-Link Archer AX50 is reasonably priced, yet it can handle a growing selection of laptops and smart devices while surpassing the performance of routers that cost twice as much. It's generally speedy and able to reach long range, it has little lag even when the network is busy, and it's a great choice if you have a high-performance internet service plan. It's compatible with Wi-Fi 6, the latest wireless standard, and it comes with built-in security in the form of a lifetime subscription to updates.

TP-Link Archer AX20
If our main pick is unavailable
The Archer AX20 offers fewer features than our pick for a slightly lower price, but in most cases it can keep up in throughput, responsiveness, and ease of setup.

If our pick is out of stock or its price is more than $30 higher, you should consider the TP-Link Archer AX20 instead. The AX20 looks like the AX50 and offers a strong, responsive network that's nearly as good, especially if your house isn't larger than our 2,300-square-foot-test home. But it's not quite as fast at longer ranges, and TP-Link sacrifices a few advanced features and settings in its administration interface to meet the lower price

REVIEWS (Thanks "PeteyTheStriker")
https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.[/QUOTE]

OTHER THINGS TO NOTE:

1. Donknows has a review on the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) this has thoroughly been discredited on this thread.

Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
As was mentioned by me and a few others, that DONGKNOWS review is poorly done. It is not an apples to apples comparison, he used a router with a brand new firmware comparing to an identical router with firmware over 6 months old which had major problems just like any other router around that time. It takes time to work out the bugs and TP-Link, Netgear, Asus to name a few all put out routers with bugged performance with their first set of Wifi 6 routers. So yeah..... Important to make apples to apples instead of reading something without understanding the testing. If he did it the correct way he would have had both side by side on the same firmware.The routers are identical outside USB 3.0 port and Homecare included on one, so you will get identical performance results with the same firmware.

2. CAT7, a CAT 6 or CAT5e cable is needed for gigabit Ethernet. Most cables made for the last 10 years are already 5e, so just saying that cables are usually never a bottleneck.
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Target price of $129 less the 10% coupon is $116. Coupon Expires 10/31

#1 Rated by the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

You can get the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) for $116 at TARGET (see below)
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

HOW TO GET IT FOR $116 AT TARGET (2 WAYS)
New price is $129 and then apply the 10% off one electronic item (Target circle coupon). Total came to $116 and change. If you are a target Redcard member get additional 5% Redcard discount[/QUOTE]

10% coupon can be found here (Expires October 31):
https://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=14448551&sdop=1&sdpid=141342461&sdfid=30&lno=1&trd=https%20www%20target%20com%20offers%20targ&pv=&au=&sdtrk=SiteSearchV2Algo1&u2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.target.com%2Foffers%2Ftarget-circle[/QUOTE]

At Walmart, you can get the $99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20) model. Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it. Through Target (see above, you can get the AX 3000 for $116)

WALMART
$99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin.../210201077

FOR ONLY $17 More (Target), you can upgrade from the Archer AX20 (AX1800) to the TP-LINK Archer AX50, i.e., AX 3000,
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

COMPARISON OF AX20 ($99) VS AX50 ($129) [ Thanks - zpeedster_m ]; Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

TP-Link Archer AX50
The best Wi-Fi router
In our tests the TP-Link Archer AX50 created a speedy, responsive network even from across a medium house. You have to spend a lot more on a router—or a mesh kit if you have a very large home—to get anything even a little better. It's our first WI-Fi 6 (802.11ax) router pick.

The TP-Link Archer AX50 is reasonably priced, yet it can handle a growing selection of laptops and smart devices while surpassing the performance of routers that cost twice as much. It's generally speedy and able to reach long range, it has little lag even when the network is busy, and it's a great choice if you have a high-performance internet service plan. It's compatible with Wi-Fi 6, the latest wireless standard, and it comes with built-in security in the form of a lifetime subscription to updates.

TP-Link Archer AX20
If our main pick is unavailable
The Archer AX20 offers fewer features than our pick for a slightly lower price, but in most cases it can keep up in throughput, responsiveness, and ease of setup.

If our pick is out of stock or its price is more than $30 higher, you should consider the TP-Link Archer AX20 instead. The AX20 looks like the AX50 and offers a strong, responsive network that's nearly as good, especially if your house isn't larger than our 2,300-square-foot-test home. But it's not quite as fast at longer ranges, and TP-Link sacrifices a few advanced features and settings in its administration interface to meet the lower price

REVIEWS (Thanks "PeteyTheStriker")
https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.[/QUOTE]

OTHER THINGS TO NOTE:

1. Donknows has a review on the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) this has thoroughly been discredited on this thread.

Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
As was mentioned by me and a few others, that DONGKNOWS review is poorly done. It is not an apples to apples comparison, he used a router with a brand new firmware comparing to an identical router with firmware over 6 months old which had major problems just like any other router around that time. It takes time to work out the bugs and TP-Link, Netgear, Asus to name a few all put out routers with bugged performance with their first set of Wifi 6 routers. So yeah..... Important to make apples to apples instead of reading something without understanding the testing. If he did it the correct way he would have had both side by side on the same firmware.The routers are identical outside USB 3.0 port and Homecare included on one, so you will get identical performance results with the same firmware.

2. CAT7, a CAT 6 or CAT5e cable is needed for gigabit Ethernet. Most cables made for the last 10 years are already 5e, so just saying that cables are usually never a bottleneck.

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Quote from kcooldude :
Okay this comments section is way out of line. I have a simple question, tp link ax50 or tp link ac4000? Both are same price, which one should I get?
AX50 is the winner, AC4000 while triband has only a very average 5Ghz performance. It could not beat a lot of routers within its own price range.

Quote from sampsonti :
Help. My sister just purchased this router. This is the issue. She has DSL modem/router. She has that covering her upstairs. Downstairs she had a linksys routernthat died and hooked this one up. Now the one upstairs does not work. I know there is a conflict but have no idea where. Anyone?
How did she have the old linksys router connected? Cause right now, your not giving enough information to help you.

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Hi,
I connected the router. What really bugs me is that tplink's site to log into your router is NOT SECURE!!! Do you know why this is the case? It is not https just http and the browser gives a warning accordingly. What's going on?? Wouldn't one's setting passwords and SSID be visible to the whole world?
Its nothing to worry about, you can continue on with the setup. No it wont be visible and your logging in locally, so only things on the network can see things currently, after you change the password from the default it becomes secure.
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
AX50 is the winner, AC4000 while triband has only a very average 5Ghz performance. It could not beat a lot of routers within its own price range.



How did she have the old linksys router connected? Cause right now, your not giving enough information to help you.



Its nothing to worry about, you can continue on with the setup. No it wont be visible and your logging in locally, so only things on the network can see things currently, after you change the password from the default it becomes secure.
I read reviews that the 5ghz on ac4000 is bad. Thank you for commenting. How about the range on the ax50? What do you think about overall range of ax50 vs ac4000?
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Isn't this 89.99 at microcenter? Got one for the parents ax router
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
AX50 is the winner, AC4000 while triband has only a very average 5Ghz performance. It could not beat a lot of routers within its own price range.



How did she have the old linksys router connected? Cause right now, your not giving enough information to help you.



Its nothing to worry about, you can continue on with the setup. No it wont be visible and your logging in locally, so only things on the network can see things currently, after you change the password from the default it becomes secure.
Ethernet cable into the linksys router. Something in setting is amiss. Modem/ router to Old linksys router which is dead otherwise I would see what those settings were...MAC address conflict?
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I read reviews that the 5ghz on ac4000 is bad. Thank you for commenting. How about the range on the ax50? What do you think about overall range of ax50 vs ac4000?
I dont own one so I can only guess, The AC4000 has a full 360 degree antenna configuration so it might have slightly better coverage in corners of the house, but outside of that I believe they will be pretty similar.


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Ethernet cable into the linksys router. Something in setting is amiss. Modem/ router to Old linksys router which is dead otherwise I would see what those settings were...MAC address conflict?
What is the model of the DSL gateway 2wire model or something else?

Did she have a ethernet cable going from her second floor down to the old Linksys? You cant use two routers in standard router mode, you have to either switch the TP-link to an access point or turn off the routing of the DSL gateway or else you cause a conflict. To change the operation mode, go into the advanced setting tab of the router, go into the operation mode and switch to access point. Depending on the size of the place I would completely turn off the router in the DSL gateway and only use the Tplink as the router for the place, most of those gateways suck.
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Isn't this 89.99 at microcenter? Got one for the parents ax router
I dunno, link it to us and we can tell you.
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Its nothing to worry about
Thanks.

Separately, I can't thank you enough! What I found is incredible speed. I am contracted with my cable provider to get 200 mbps. The modem brings in 235 mbps (so a little more) when directly connected to the PC WITHOUT a router. With the modem connected to the router, my PC continues to get approx. 235 mbps with the $99 Archer AX20 (In contrast, my "old" TP-LINK router rated with boasted speeds of 300N, reduced the 235 mbps to just 75 mbps.)

When checking speeds over wifi (over the AX 20's 5G connection), I continue to get speeds of 220 - 235 mbps (compared to just 25 Mbps wifi speed of my old TP-Link 300N router).

Bottomline: Wow!!! The AX20 for $99 sustained the full 235 mbps that came through the modem and to the PC (via the router) and sustained this same speed over 5G wifi as well! (I didn't test on the AX20's other 2.3 Ghz band).

I am so happy. A great $99 investment! It looks like I didn't need the higher $129 model but given the strong performance of this router, I would recommend paying the extra $30 for even more future-proofing.

Thanks again for the excellent recommendation and guidance on this thread!
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
I dont own one so I can only guess, The AC4000 has a full 360 degree antenna configuration so it might have slightly better coverage in corners of the house, but outside of that I believe they will be pretty similar.




What is the model of the DSL gateway 2wire model or something else?

Did she have a ethernet cable going from her second floor down to the old Linksys? You cant use two routers in standard router mode, you have to either switch the TP-link to an access point or turn off the routing of the DSL gateway or else you cause a conflict. To change the operation mode, go into the advanced setting tab of the router, go into the operation mode and switch to access point. Depending on the size of the place I would completely turn off the router in the DSL gateway and only use the Tplink as the router for the place, most of those gateways suck.
Thank you. She says I did this years ago. Ethernet cable from modem/ router to old linksys. Linking the modem/ router to other modem. I vaguely remember this but i don't think I turned anything on/ off in each router. Some reason I think I changed the MAC address on old linksys. She says I printed and wrote out what I did but can she find it😳.....it's given her great coverage. Used different WiFi names on each floor.
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Quote from JoyTan :
Thanks.

Separately, I can't thank you enough! What I found is incredible speed. I am contracted with my cable provider to get 200 mbps. The modem brings in 235 mbps (so a little more) when directly connected to the PC WITHOUT a router. With the modem connected to the router, my PC continues to get approx. 235 mbps with the $99 Archer AX20 (In contrast, my "old" TP-LINK router rated with boasted speeds of 300N, reduced the 235 mbps to just 75 mbps.)

When checking speeds over wifi (over the AX 20's 5G connection), I continue to get speeds of 220 - 235 mbps (compared to just 25 Mbps wifi speed of my old TP-Link 300N router).

Bottomline: Wow!!! The AX20 for $99 sustained the full 235 mbps that came through the modem and to the PC (via the router) and sustained this same speed over 5G wifi as well! (I didn't test on the AX20's other 2.3 Ghz band).

I am so happy. A great $99 investment! It looks like I didn't need the higher $129 model but given the strong performance of this router, I would recommend paying the extra $30 for even more future-proofing.

Thanks again for the excellent recommendation and guidance on this thread!
Welcome, you will be good for quite a few years with it.

Quote from sampsonti :
Thank you. She says I did this years ago. Ethernet cable from modem/ router to old linksys. Linking the modem/ router to other modem. I vaguely remember this but i don't think I turned anything on/ off in each router. Some reason I think I changed the MAC address on old linksys. She says I printed and wrote out what I did but can she find it😳.....it's given her great coverage. Used different WiFi names on each floor.
Copying macs and whatnot does not make sense for this, just do what I suggested, go into advanced and change it to an AP and you should be good to go.
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Went ahead and told the kid to order me the ax50. I can always have her return it if a better deal comes on BF. Just sucks that I'd have to drive 40min to do that but I need to fill up cans of real gas for the winter anyway so not a wasted drive Smilie
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I Don't have much knowledge in frequency or wave but how can one router network is better than mesh network? For one router network the closer you are to the router the better signal you get. So if I set up a mesh of 3 points spread out to cover a 4000sqt house is still much better than one in the middle of the house, right?
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Went ahead and told the kid to order me the ax50. I can always have her return it if a better deal comes on BF. Just sucks that I'd have to drive 40min to do that but I need to fill up cans of real gas for the winter anyway so not a wasted drive Smilie
The value of the gas, time and effort will be more than the cost of the savings in a BF deal.
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Quote from JoyTan :
Hi,
I connected the router. What really bugs me is that tplink's site to log into your router is NOT SECURE!!! Do you know why this is the case? It is not https just http and the browser gives a warning accordingly. What's going on?? Wouldn't one's setting passwords and SSID be visible to the whole world?
Http what though? If you are doing the pretty typical 192.168.x.x (varies based on router) you aren't actually connecting to the outside. If you go to your friends house and do the same thing, you try to connect to their router. This is because most consumer router's intranet (network in your house) is 192.168.x.x as the IPs. If you look for your internet IP address (given by your ISP) it is likely something totally different. I think a lot of Comcast are like 68.x.x.x or something.

I have the X20 or whatever is the new low end Mesh with WiFi 6. It uses an app. My old TP Link router and every previous router I have ever used or helped someone set up has gone through 192.168.x.x.
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Quote from FaithfulHamster1779 :
Http what though? If you are doing the pretty typical 192.168.x.x (varies based on router) you aren't actually connecting to the outside. If you go to your friends house and do the same thing, you try to connect to their router. This is because most consumer router's intranet (network in your house) is 192.168.x.x as the IPs. If you look for your internet IP address (given by your ISP) it is likely something totally different. I think a lot of Comcast are like 68.x.x.x or something.

I have the X20 or whatever is the new low end Mesh with WiFi 6. It uses an app. My old TP Link router and every previous router I have ever used or helped someone set up has gone through 192.168.x.x.
You are right of course. I did not realize it was internal (going into you own computer; not external). Thanks for responding.

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Quote from Mwins :
I Don't have much knowledge in frequency or wave but how can one router network is better than mesh network? For one router network the closer you are to the router the better signal you get. So if I set up a mesh of 3 points spread out to cover a 4000sqt house is still much better than one in the middle of the house, right?
For a larger house, yes mesh will be better in almost all cases if you want close to optimal speeds for all your devices. This still means you have to place your modem and first mesh node (main node) in a central point of the house though. If you daisy chain where you have a modem/node in the far left and you keep running a node after a node after a node, your final node speeds will be abysmal at the farthest right point of the house. You want to make sure when setting up the mesh, each node/unit has the least possible jumps to make to get back to the node(main node) that's tied to the modem for best speeds.

For houses under 2000-2400 sq ft a single "HIGH END" router if placed in the center or centralish location can cover and also handle all the devices with less issues. Yes on the outskirts of your signal you will get lower speeds, but in reality as long as your getting 40ish Mbps on any device there should be nothing in the online world you cant do. 40 Mbps is the requirement for 4k streaming and probably the most labor intensive besides mass downloading that someone can do, even gaming does not require faster speeds.
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