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Expires 10/31 for 100,000 Times Viewed # 1 Recommended GIGABIT ROUTER; $116 at Target TP-Link Archer AX3000 Dual Band WiFi 6 MU-MIMO Router

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Target price of $129 less the 10% coupon is $116. Coupon Expires 10/31

#1 Rated by the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

You can get the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) for $116 at TARGET (see below)
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

HOW TO GET IT FOR $116 AT TARGET (2 WAYS)
New price is $129 and then apply the 10% off one electronic item (Target circle coupon). Total came to $116 and change. If you are a target Redcard member get additional 5% Redcard discount[/QUOTE]

10% coupon can be found here (Expires October 31):
https://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=14448551&sdop=1&sdpid=141342461&sdfid=30&lno=1&trd=https%20www%20target%20com%20offers%20targ&pv=&au=&sdtrk=SiteSearchV2Algo1&u2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.target.com%2Foffers%2Ftarget-circle[/QUOTE]

At Walmart, you can get the $99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20) model. Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it. Through Target (see above, you can get the AX 3000 for $116)

WALMART
$99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin.../210201077

FOR ONLY $17 More (Target), you can upgrade from the Archer AX20 (AX1800) to the TP-LINK Archer AX50, i.e., AX 3000,
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

COMPARISON OF AX20 ($99) VS AX50 ($129) [ Thanks - zpeedster_m ]; Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

TP-Link Archer AX50
The best Wi-Fi router
In our tests the TP-Link Archer AX50 created a speedy, responsive network even from across a medium house. You have to spend a lot more on a router—or a mesh kit if you have a very large home—to get anything even a little better. It's our first WI-Fi 6 (802.11ax) router pick.

The TP-Link Archer AX50 is reasonably priced, yet it can handle a growing selection of laptops and smart devices while surpassing the performance of routers that cost twice as much. It's generally speedy and able to reach long range, it has little lag even when the network is busy, and it's a great choice if you have a high-performance internet service plan. It's compatible with Wi-Fi 6, the latest wireless standard, and it comes with built-in security in the form of a lifetime subscription to updates.

TP-Link Archer AX20
If our main pick is unavailable
The Archer AX20 offers fewer features than our pick for a slightly lower price, but in most cases it can keep up in throughput, responsiveness, and ease of setup.

If our pick is out of stock or its price is more than $30 higher, you should consider the TP-Link Archer AX20 instead. The AX20 looks like the AX50 and offers a strong, responsive network that's nearly as good, especially if your house isn't larger than our 2,300-square-foot-test home. But it's not quite as fast at longer ranges, and TP-Link sacrifices a few advanced features and settings in its administration interface to meet the lower price

REVIEWS (Thanks "PeteyTheStriker")
https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.[/QUOTE]

OTHER THINGS TO NOTE:

1. Donknows has a review on the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) this has thoroughly been discredited on this thread.

Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
As was mentioned by me and a few others, that DONGKNOWS review is poorly done. It is not an apples to apples comparison, he used a router with a brand new firmware comparing to an identical router with firmware over 6 months old which had major problems just like any other router around that time. It takes time to work out the bugs and TP-Link, Netgear, Asus to name a few all put out routers with bugged performance with their first set of Wifi 6 routers. So yeah..... Important to make apples to apples instead of reading something without understanding the testing. If he did it the correct way he would have had both side by side on the same firmware.The routers are identical outside USB 3.0 port and Homecare included on one, so you will get identical performance results with the same firmware.

2. CAT7, a CAT 6 or CAT5e cable is needed for gigabit Ethernet. Most cables made for the last 10 years are already 5e, so just saying that cables are usually never a bottleneck.
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Target price of $129 less the 10% coupon is $116. Coupon Expires 10/31

#1 Rated by the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

You can get the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) for $116 at TARGET (see below)
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

HOW TO GET IT FOR $116 AT TARGET (2 WAYS)
New price is $129 and then apply the 10% off one electronic item (Target circle coupon). Total came to $116 and change. If you are a target Redcard member get additional 5% Redcard discount[/QUOTE]

10% coupon can be found here (Expires October 31):
https://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=14448551&sdop=1&sdpid=141342461&sdfid=30&lno=1&trd=https%20www%20target%20com%20offers%20targ&pv=&au=&sdtrk=SiteSearchV2Algo1&u2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.target.com%2Foffers%2Ftarget-circle[/QUOTE]

At Walmart, you can get the $99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20) model. Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it. Through Target (see above, you can get the AX 3000 for $116)

WALMART
$99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin.../210201077

FOR ONLY $17 More (Target), you can upgrade from the Archer AX20 (AX1800) to the TP-LINK Archer AX50, i.e., AX 3000,
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

COMPARISON OF AX20 ($99) VS AX50 ($129) [ Thanks - zpeedster_m ]; Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

TP-Link Archer AX50
The best Wi-Fi router
In our tests the TP-Link Archer AX50 created a speedy, responsive network even from across a medium house. You have to spend a lot more on a router—or a mesh kit if you have a very large home—to get anything even a little better. It's our first WI-Fi 6 (802.11ax) router pick.

The TP-Link Archer AX50 is reasonably priced, yet it can handle a growing selection of laptops and smart devices while surpassing the performance of routers that cost twice as much. It's generally speedy and able to reach long range, it has little lag even when the network is busy, and it's a great choice if you have a high-performance internet service plan. It's compatible with Wi-Fi 6, the latest wireless standard, and it comes with built-in security in the form of a lifetime subscription to updates.

TP-Link Archer AX20
If our main pick is unavailable
The Archer AX20 offers fewer features than our pick for a slightly lower price, but in most cases it can keep up in throughput, responsiveness, and ease of setup.

If our pick is out of stock or its price is more than $30 higher, you should consider the TP-Link Archer AX20 instead. The AX20 looks like the AX50 and offers a strong, responsive network that's nearly as good, especially if your house isn't larger than our 2,300-square-foot-test home. But it's not quite as fast at longer ranges, and TP-Link sacrifices a few advanced features and settings in its administration interface to meet the lower price

REVIEWS (Thanks "PeteyTheStriker")
https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.[/QUOTE]

OTHER THINGS TO NOTE:

1. Donknows has a review on the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) this has thoroughly been discredited on this thread.

Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
As was mentioned by me and a few others, that DONGKNOWS review is poorly done. It is not an apples to apples comparison, he used a router with a brand new firmware comparing to an identical router with firmware over 6 months old which had major problems just like any other router around that time. It takes time to work out the bugs and TP-Link, Netgear, Asus to name a few all put out routers with bugged performance with their first set of Wifi 6 routers. So yeah..... Important to make apples to apples instead of reading something without understanding the testing. If he did it the correct way he would have had both side by side on the same firmware.The routers are identical outside USB 3.0 port and Homecare included on one, so you will get identical performance results with the same firmware.

2. CAT7, a CAT 6 or CAT5e cable is needed for gigabit Ethernet. Most cables made for the last 10 years are already 5e, so just saying that cables are usually never a bottleneck.

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Quote from TenzingS :
Wifi 6e is coming but the 6ghz band is not feasible for any sort of distance. A common analogy is poking holes in milk jug. 2.4 ghz is small hole and shoots milk furthest aka more range. 5ghz is larger hole more flow but less distance and 6ghz largest hole, most flow but least distance
Wow, you sure are great using an analogy. No one will forget this because it is so clear. Thanks!
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Quote from Jsz0301 :
Keep what you have unless your plan is rated for much higher. MU-MIMO and OFDMA on wifi-6 has been broken for awhile and or not working with AX200/201 clients.

I'd honestly wait. These prices aren't exactly that phenomenal.
Yeah I'll definitely wait until the real black friday
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Quote from hisoka187 :
Yeah I'll definitely wait until the real black friday
you mean there is a fake black friday?
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Quote from JoyTan :
I thought the more appropriate baseline AC class is the Archer 9 which is better than the Archer AC1750. I mean if you were recommending an AC router (from as an example only, TP link) would it not be the Archer 9 rather than the Archer AC1750? Thank you.
Archer 9 is AC1900 Rated 5G 1300 AC (3x3) + 2.4G 600 N (3x3)
Archer 7 is AC1750 Rated 5G 1300 AC (3x3) + 2.4G 450 N (3x3)

Radio connectivity is the same between the two routers on AC, but they may perform differently due to different hardware/firmware/configuration/environment.

The problem with the 600 Rating on N is that it goes above standard 64 QAM rates and does.. well nothing.. Nearly every consumer product is limited to the traditional 150mbps per channel which adds up to 450. 600 rating.. turbo or nitroQAM is just marketing fluff intended to sell a product.

That's not saying that an AC1900 router can't have better hardware or design than an AC1750 router. I'm just telling you that the marketing number doesnt mean much. Most households are AC1750 due pricing and ISPs providing similar class routers.

tl;dr its just a number. Just like 2x2 AX1800 and AX3000. They can perform similarly at distance if optimized to the same standards. AX3000 has the advantage of using HT160 blocks, but you need an HT160 client. Benefits are limited to shorter range regardless.

Quote from JoyTan :
you mean it doesn't work?
Last time it was objectively tested. Could have changed, not sure.
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Quote from Jsz0301 :
Archer 9 is AC1900 Rated 5G 1300 AC (3x3) + 2.4G 600 N (3x3)
Archer 7 is AC1750 Rated 5G 1300 AC (3x3) + 2.4G 450 N (3x3)

Radio connectivity is the same between the two routers on AC, but they may perform differently due to different hardware/firmware/configuration/environment.

The problem with the 600 Rating on N is that it goes above standard 64 QAM rates and does.. well nothing.. Nearly every consumer product is limited to the traditional 150mbps per channel which adds up to 450. 600 rating.. turbo or nitroQAM is just marketing fluff intended to sell a product.

That's not saying that an AC1900 router can't have better hardware or design than an AC1750 router. I'm just telling you that the marketing number doesnt mean much. Most households are AC1750 due pricing and ISPs providing similar class routers.

tl;dr its just a number. Just like 2x2 AX1800 and AX3000. They can perform similarly at distance if optimized to the same standards. AX3000 has the advantage of using HT160 blocks, but you need an HT160 client. Benefits are limited to shorter range regardless.

Last time it was objectively tested. Could have changed, not sure.
Thanks for the explanation and keeping it simple to understand. Point made.
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Forgot to add that.
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Thanks for the explanation and keeping it simple to understand. Point made.
Manufacturers kinda put themselves in a hole with AX3000 stuff because future 3x3 devices that are limited to 80mhz blocks technically should perform much better at range... while having a lower "AX2700" marketing classification lol
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Quote from Jsz0301 :
Forgot to add that.


Manufacturers kinda put themselves in a hole with AX3000 stuff because future 3x3 devices that are limited to 80mhz blocks technically should perform much better at range... while having a lower "AX2700" marketing classification lol
I am sure they will think of something but it will take a lot on ingenuity on their part because numbers such as 2700 or 3000 usually stick in one's head.

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Quote from tuna9720 :
Sorry this is another thread's question maybe but I couldn't find the right one.. I just need a budget wireless router that can give me download speed of 400mbps or more..

It's hard to figure out the download speeds by the model number of each router..

Or can anyone tell me what type of specs should I look for, to get those speeds?
Maybe you were in the wrong thread. Maybe you should be in this thread instead? What is your budget?
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Quote from austinxxpipo :
Got the NETGEAR Nighthawk AX4 4-Stream AX3000 Wi-Fi 6 Router (RAX35-100NAS) router in the mail today. Getting 900-1000mbps wired, but over wifi in the next room over only 200mbps. Still an improvement on previous router, which was getting me 50mbps in same spot, but not what I was hoping for.
1. What is the wifi speed in the same room as your router?

2. I wonder whether you are getting more from the Netgear RAX35-100NAS than you would from the Archer AX1800 and AX3000 (in this thread) that are in the same price range.
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Quote from JoyTan :
for what reasons?
Mostly complaints were that it worked great the first month and then started dropping wifi several times a day, speeds get sluggish, possibly due to overheating.

as i mentioned above, seems like buying a router is a crapshoot (seen similar complaints for other routers i've been looking at). I've got three kids in school zoom meetings and me in work telecons and wifi drops would be a big deal.
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Quote from JoyTan :
you mean there is a fake black friday?
These "early Black Friday deals" they're advertising rn. Not gonna fall for it. November 27 deals are gonna be the legit deals
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These "early Black Friday deals" they're advertising rn. Not gonna fall for it. November 27 deals are gonna be the legit deals
ok, understand your perspective. I guess the issue is whether you can wait 5 more weeks or not.
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Quote from TheMightyQuinn :
Mostly complaints were that it worked great the first month and then started dropping wifi several times a day, speeds get sluggish, possibly due to overheating.

as i mentioned above, seems like buying a router is a crapshoot (seen similar complaints for other routers i've been looking at). I've got three kids in school zoom meetings and me in work telecons and wifi drops would be a big deal.
That's only for the AX3000 not the AX 1800, right?
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Quote from JoyTan :
That's only for the AX3000 not the AX 1800, right?
Yes. I haven't read the reviews for the AX1800

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Quote from fillyo :
I've yet to pull the trigger on any upgrade, have had this router for 6 years, no issues.
That's what most people think until they realize that they were totally screwed over. I had a router for 6 +years, and like you, thought why fix what ain't broke. I was getting like 25 mbps over wifi but with the TP-Link Archer AX 20 (AX1800), I am getting like 200 mbps over wifi which is roughly the same full speed as the speed I get from the cable company. The cable line was always for 200gbps but the router I used made the difference between getting 25 mbps or 200 mbps over wifi.

So think again!

You can go to fast.com on your phone over wifi and it will check your wifi speed. Report what you get. Also check that speed against the speed that you have contracted with your internet provider. Yours will be an interesting case to understand and learn. Thanks for your time

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