VIZIO 65" Class OLED 4K UHD SmartCast TV OLED65-H1 - $1499.99

This is an LG panel I guess? How is Vizio able to undercut the OEM?

I've now owned both the Vizio & LG CX. I had the Vizio Oled for 2 months over the holidays and now an owner of the LG CX. Here's what I'll say...

How are you going to be using it? or what's your environment.

Personally with the LG CX you really don't need a soundbar, the audio is a big step up from the Vizio, If I kept the Vizio I would have gotten a soundbar, so extra $$$.

The LG CX has an OTA channel guide, the Vizio doesn't, if you're a big OTA watcher.

Picture quality tho, they are VERY close, if you're planning on using a soundbar + Apple TV type setup and watching movies endlessly? The Vizio is great, It's a display, don't use the built in OS for content and use an extra Chromecast Stick/apple tv instead.

Gaming... PC Gaming Xbox Series X or PS5 and planning on taking advantage of VRR 120? Eh it's still kinda buggy, BUT having said that, there's like 0 game support right now. If you're PC gaming the LG is better because of the gsync/freesync option, but the PS5/Xbox use HDMI 2.1 for VRR and everyone recommends not using freesync with the Xbox, so both work.

I LOVE my CX, but yeah, I paid more for it, but I think it's worth it for my viewing environment. Also, LG has been making oleds for 10 years now, and it shows, the OS is very mature IMO, everything about it feels mature. This is Vizio's 1st oled, so there are and will be growing pains.

Thanks for your detailed notes!! Even though I've not heard the audio, I'm going to disagree with your advice on using LG TV speakers regardless of how much better they are than Vizio (which I don't doubt at all). Once you go with a 5.1 or better sound system, you're never going back to TV speakers..

Open box by me for $1100. Also an open box Q90T for $1399. Decisions, decisions...

He said compared to a soundbar. Newer OLED (LG and Sony) use the actual display as the speaker (they have voice coils on the back side that vibrate the outer part of the display which functions as the diaphragm), which enables it to put out much better audio, partly due to the size, and partly because its directly radiating sound at you from what your vision is focused on (whereas a lot of TV speakers and sound bars have small diaphragms and radiating out of ports and trying to reflect off of walls or other surfaces)

Will it match quality speakers? No, but that's not what he said and the point he was making is that with the Vizio you'll almost absolutely be spending extra money to buy some better quality audio solution (with many people just buying some fairly cheap but not that cheap soundbar), money which could go to just getting the LG where you're more likely to be satisfied with the audio.

Personally, I'd take high quality stereo over 5.1 and I have absolutely no interest in the XX.X channel mess that is newer surround formats. Modern audio processing can offer most of the surround benefits from 2-4 quality speakers, but unless you're putting that level of quality on just about every speaker, you're not going to match the technical capabilities of higher quality audio equipment (so spending the same total amount on fewer speakers is ultimately still going to give you better final audio quality; this would be even more true if they'd actually offer a mix that is tailored for that instead of just trying to keep people ponying up by adding more channels). Ideally they'd be offering object based audio formats that would adjust based on your speaker setup, EQ'ed for the equipment, room, and even your personal hearing. But that's for a different topic entirely.

With regards to the topic of the thread, the reviews show lots of people disappointed with the Vizio for a variety of reasons and many seem to return it and then buy an LG. The Vizio seems to have enough shortcomings that it wouldn't be worth it.