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03-23-2021 at 07:09 AM.
03-23-2021 at 07:09 AM.
Here's another option using the RTL9210 with the same feature set as the one in the OP for $1 more and it looks (to me) a bit nicer:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...2NUY&psc=1
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03-23-2021 at 07:38 AM.
03-23-2021 at 07:38 AM.
I am often pulling ssds for work so this enclosure has been great. Works with both keys and most do not.
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03-23-2021 at 07:48 AM.
03-23-2021 at 07:48 AM.
I have SSK one and it works well.
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03-23-2021 at 09:32 AM.
03-23-2021 at 09:32 AM.
This or ROG Strix Arion? There's a huge price difference.
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03-23-2021 at 09:34 AM.
03-23-2021 at 09:34 AM.
Quote from Hat-Trick :
Here's another option using the RTL9210 with the same feature set as the one in the OP for $1 more and it looks (to me) a bit nicer:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...2NUY&psc=1 [amazon.com]

It looks like this one tops out at 2TB. Right now, that most likely won't be a problem for most people. But if you plan to keep this and use it for migrating data as you upgrade computers, the 2TB limitation may limit its functional life.
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03-23-2021 at 09:37 AM.
03-23-2021 at 09:37 AM.
If you are willing to wait for delivery from China, the JEYI i9 GTR is a great RTL9210 based aluminum encloser. I was really impressed with the build quality and performance.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3...subject_15
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03-23-2021 at 09:38 AM.
03-23-2021 at 09:38 AM.
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How is this compare to
https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Ty...08RVC6F9Y/ [amazon.com]

Sabrent USB 3.2 Type-C Tool-Free Enclosure for M.2 PCIe NVMe and SATA SSDs (EC-SNVE)
Reviewer said it use RTL9210B
I just bought that one for a WD 1Tb NVMe. I like the no screw design. It got hot loading initially loading it with music so i temporarily pointed a fan at it and it ran perfect. It came with a extra rubber grommet thing for holding the drive down. They make it easier to install and remove drives.
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03-23-2021 at 09:54 AM.
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Yes, if you have that, there's no question that this is the right move for speed. I should have mentioned that I was wondering for USB3, where the speed of that interface would be the bottleneck, taking speed differences off the table.


So once that's not a factor, is it less problematic just to go SATA SSD?
Even at full speed, you can't tell the difference between NVMe and SATA in most use cases. The reason is that storage speeds are measured in MB/s, while your perception of how fast a drive is (how long you have to wait) is the inverse - sec/MB. Being the inverse means that the bigger MB/s becomes, the less difference it makes. And it's the smaller MB/s operations which make the biggest difference.

Imagine you're copying a folder with 100 MB of small files (documents), and 1 GB of large files.(movies). You have a NVMe SSD with 3 GB/s sequential speeds, 30 MB/s 4k speeds. And a SATA SSD with 500 MB/s sequential speeds, and 60 MB/s 4k speeds. Which is faster? Obviously the NVMe drive right? There's 10x more large file data than small, and it's 6x faster at large file speeds while the SATA drive is only 2x faster at small file speeds. So everything is in favor of the NVMe drive, right?

NVMe: (100MB / 30 MB/s) +.(1000 MB / 3000 MB/s) = 3.33 sec + 0.33 sec = 3.67 sec
SATA: (100 MB / 60 MB/s) + (1000 MB / 500 MB/s) = 1.67 sec + 2 sec = 3.67 sec

Surprise! They take the same amount of time. Because wait time is the inverse of MB/s, it's the smaller MB/s speeds (the 4k read/write speeds) which make the biggest difference in most use cases. And since 4k read/write speeds still aren't anywhere close to hitting the SATA 3 bandwidth limit, most of the time you won't be able to tell the difference between a SATA SSD and NVMe SSD.

The only time the NVMe SSD has a clear advantage is if you regularly work with lots of large files. Like video editing. Otherwise, you should just ignore the sequential speeds, and concentrate on getting a SSD with fast 4k speeds (NVMe or SATA). That will make a bigger difference in most uses cases than faster sequential speeds. All other things being equal, the NVMe drive will be faster than SATA. But SATA is usually cheaper and in most cases you won't be able to tell the difference. And if you're able to get a SATA SSD with faster 4k speeds because of the lower price, it may very well end up performing faster (albeit imperceptibly) than the NVMe SSD.

(Incidentally, the same problem occurs with fuel mileage. Fuel consumption is measured in volume / distance, so most of the world measures it in liters per 100 km. The US uses the inverse - MPG. This results in car buyers in the US obsessing over high MPG vehicles, when they actually make very little difference. Small improvements in the efficiency of low MPG vehicles (trucks and buses) OTOH make a huge difference in amount of fuel consumed. e.g. Going from 20 to 21 MPG (a 5% increase in MPG) actually saves you more fuel than going from 50 to 55 MPG (a 10% increase). And going from 6 MPG to 6.1 MPG (a 1.7% increase) saves even more fuel for the same distance traveled.)
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03-23-2021 at 12:31 PM.
03-23-2021 at 12:31 PM.
Anyway to use with old mac air ssd?
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natofrombombato
03-23-2021 at 12:45 PM.
03-23-2021 at 12:45 PM.
I am pretty sure I have this unitek nvme enclosure unless this is a different version internally. Looks just like mine. Anyway I was just ok with it. It works fine on the 5gbps usb ports, but when on 10gbps usb ports when transfer speeds were high going from my internal nvme to the nvme in this enclosure it would freeze up. I ended up just installing the nvme inside my pc mainly to make sure it was not the drive at fault. Internal nvme to internal nvme worked fast with no freezing this time.

It was only the usb 10gbps speeds not the usb 5gbps that had issue. Sorry for saying it weird, but I am not real hip to if it is called usb 3.1 gen 1 vs usb 3.1 gen 2. Just shooting from the hip.
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03-23-2021 at 01:08 PM.
03-23-2021 at 01:08 PM.
Quote from Solandri :
Even at full speed, you can't tell the difference between NVMe and SATA in most use cases. The reason is that storage speeds are measured in MB/s, while your perception of how fast a drive is (how long you have to wait) is the inverse - sec/MB. Being the inverse means that the bigger MB/s becomes, the less difference it makes. And it's the smaller MB/s operations which make the biggest difference.

Imagine you're copying a folder with 100 MB of small files (documents), and 1 GB of large files.(movies). You have a NVMe SSD with 3 GB/s sequential speeds, 30 MB/s 4k speeds. And a SATA SSD with 500 MB/s sequential speeds, and 60 MB/s 4k speeds. Which is faster? Obviously the NVMe drive right? There's 10x more large file data than small, and it's 6x faster at large file speeds while the SATA drive is only 2x faster at small file speeds. So everything is in favor of the NVMe drive, right?

NVMe: (100MB / 30 MB/s) +.(1000 MB / 3000 MB/s) = 3.33 sec + 0.33 sec = 3.67 sec
SATA: (100 MB / 60 MB/s) + (1000 MB / 500 MB/s) = 1.67 sec + 2 sec = 3.67 sec

Surprise! They take the same amount of time. Because wait time is the inverse of MB/s, it's the smaller MB/s speeds (the 4k read/write speeds) which make the biggest difference in most use cases. And since 4k read/write speeds still aren't anywhere close to hitting the SATA 3 bandwidth limit, most of the time you won't be able to tell the difference between a SATA SSD and NVMe SSD.

The only time the NVMe SSD has a clear advantage is if you regularly work with lots of large files. Like video editing. Otherwise, you should just ignore the sequential speeds, and concentrate on getting a SSD with fast 4k speeds (NVMe or SATA). That will make a bigger difference in most uses cases than faster sequential speeds. All other things being equal, the NVMe drive will be faster than SATA. But SATA is usually cheaper and in most cases you won't be able to tell the difference. And if you're able to get a SATA SSD with faster 4k speeds because of the lower price, it may very well end up performing faster (albeit imperceptibly) than the NVMe SSD.

(Incidentally, the same problem occurs with fuel mileage. Fuel consumption is measured in volume / distance, so most of the world measures it in liters per 100 km. The US uses the inverse - MPG. This results in car buyers in the US obsessing over high MPG vehicles, when they actually make very little difference. Small improvements in the efficiency of low MPG vehicles (trucks and buses) OTOH make a huge difference in amount of fuel consumed. e.g. Going from 20 to 21 MPG (a 5% increase in MPG) actually saves you more fuel than going from 50 to 55 MPG (a 10% increase). And going from 6 MPG to 6.1 MPG (a 1.7% increase) saves even more fuel for the same distance traveled.)
I can't really follow your logic, but why exactly is your SATA slower at 4K than the NVMe?
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03-23-2021 at 01:42 PM.
03-23-2021 at 01:42 PM.
I got this last time it was on sale. The usb c cable that it came with did not work. I contacted the supplier on Amazon and they just sent me a whole new box since they couldn't send the cable separately.

So far seems to work fine, but I haven't used it much.
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cirewu
03-23-2021 at 02:39 PM.
03-23-2021 at 02:39 PM.
Quote from asdfrat :
I can't really follow your logic, but why exactly is your SATA slower at 4K than the NVMe?
NVMe interface has a 64k command queue while AHCI has a 32, so theoretically it can 2000x parallel operations. If you're accessing one block at a time, then it should be a wash, but if you're accessing sequentially or randomly many blocks, then NVMe is much faster due to the increased parallelism. In practice, since we're talking about interfaces here, the implementation have to take advantage of this -- but, while I could be totally wrong, I'm fairly sure the bottom 1% slowest NVMe drives (1-percentile) are probably faster than the 90th-percentile AHCI drive.

This part of the conversation is kind of moot as USB/PHY latency is going to dominate the small file operations and it won't matter.
EDIT: a quick Google says USB3 on Windows has a best-case one-way latency of 1ms, which is kind of an eternity with respect to 1GB/s, which would be 1MB/ms, or 256 4k blocks per millisecond. Put it another way, you could've transferred 256 blocks in the time it took your protocol to send the message down. (I know I'm kinda mixing the units of time with through-put, but it's just to emphasize the point.)
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03-23-2021 at 03:11 PM.
03-23-2021 at 03:11 PM.
For those on the fence, this thing works great and the RTL chipset is always the way to go ... no issues here and a great way to image your HD when you upgrade to a larger capacity.
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natofrombombato
03-23-2021 at 07:08 PM.
03-23-2021 at 07:08 PM.
Quote from dasoahc :
For those on the fence, this thing works great and the RTL chipset is always the way to go ... no issues here and a great way to image your HD when you upgrade to a larger capacity.

I assume you mean hdd. Have you tried to transfer a 1080p bluray rip at usb 3.1 gen 2 or whatever 10Gbps speeds from an internal nvme? Mine locked up.
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