My price research indicates that the Lorex 4K UHD 8-Channel 2TB DVR Security System is $20 Lower (4.45% Savings) than the next best reputable merchant.
I have a security consulting company that provides custom security solutions for homes, businesses, and government.
Buy good cameras, buy a compatible switch, attach it to a server with good software. Most systems run between 1500 and 3500 depending on different aspects.
View from your phone, secure data, physical data, and nearly lossless resolution.
I replace lots of these type systems, people are rarely happy in the long run and I replace them.
Did some research on Lorex NVRs and DVRs some time ago - Apparently the app is thrash. Can someone who owns Lorex confirm whether the viewing through the app works?
I have a Lorex system, POE, 4 4k cameras with lights and sound built in. Mobile app works fine on Android.
I have a Lorex system, POE, 4 4k cameras with lights and sound built in. Mobile app works fine on Android.
Awesome, thank you for the response. I got spooked when I checked the reviews on the app market for Lorex. I'm in the market for the Lorex 8 camera POE, NVR, lights and sound.
Awesome, thank you for the response. I got spooked when I checked the reviews on the app market for Lorex. I'm in the market for the Lorex 8 camera POE, NVR, lights and sound.
To be fair the app has terrible reviews in app store, i think a rating of about 2.2 avg. However the app was last updated Dec 2020 so it still does get support.
It alerts me when there is motion and I can chime in and watch whenever I want which are the two main things I need from the software.
I picked up one of those Costco deals, 8 cameras (Lorex E891AB-E 4K Ultra HD Smart Deterrence IP Camera) w NVR. It even comes with all the ethernet cable you need as well. Ended up selling 4 of the cameras on FB marketplace because I didn't need them.
My LaView 5MP DVR system (a rebranded/decontented of the popular circa-2015 Hikvision DS-7208HUI) does 5M@12fps 4M15 3M18 2M30 (the bundled cameras can output 5M12 5M20 4M30 so the fps limit is with the encoder chip, not the camera or cable). 5M12 appears stuttery during daytime and streaky at night (unable to identify moving cars but OK for pedestrians) so I set each of my camera's fps (5M12 or 4M15) according to where it's pointing at. The Lorex's 8M@7fps would only be good for bright area with little movement. It appears that this Lorex uses a last-gen H.26x encoding chip (same bandwidth as my LaView) and encode at 7fps just so they could claim 4K/8M resolution.
In comparison, the circa-2018 Hikvision DS7208HTI 4K/8MP DVR does 8M12 5M20 4M30 3M18 2M30.
Last edited by FatFaluz April 23, 2021 at 04:09 PM.
I'd reject the premise that you'd need to run ethernet in the first place though. The installed base for CCTV alone keeps siamese cabling relevant. Hence why we're talking about 4k DVRs now.
The POE groupthink has gotten thick around here.
Baluns just convert media type. You still only have 2 conductors. You need at least 4 for half duplex. A simple balun wouldn't work. Any actual analog to digital converter to make it work would end up being more expensive. POE is the future. You gave more bandwidth, redundancy and the ability to offload more duties to the camera. If you're already on bnc then something like this still has its uses but if you're running new lines I'd definitely spring a bit extra for POE.
Baluns just convert media type. You still only have 2 conductors. You need at least 4 for half duplex. A simple balun wouldn't work. Any actual analog to digital converter to make it work would end up being more expensive. POE is the future. You gave more bandwidth, redundancy and the ability to offload more duties to the camera. If you're already on bnc then something like this still has its uses but if you're running new lines I'd definitely spring a bit extra for POE.
And your "benefits" listed are a perfect example of the problem of people looking at a security product as a consumer product. You want more bandwidth than any camera system will ever use (as I've said before, modulated data link over coax exceeds a gigabit), you list redundancy as a benefit (I suspect from cameras that have internal memory) which is actually a kludge to fix failures of network protocol for the data link, and offloading duties to the camera (especially when that camera is in a harsh environment) is not a good thing. It distributes potential for failure.
Security isn't about bells and whistles or bullet points. It's about a dependable solution. The problem here is that we have a bunch of people shopping for "security" devices as consumer products. Siamese camera connection with central processing is the most tried and true method available. You can talk all you want about the future, but this is still today, and today a good professional TVI/CVI system will be more dependable than one on IP.
That said, it's all largely pointless discussion here anyway. People looking to buy these things on slickdeals are best described as hobbyists. Even if they get good equipment there's little chance of them installing/configuring it properly. I've tried to help more in depth in the past and people usually just end up giving up when I don't have some blanket "set x to y and put camera here here and here (even though I've no clue about your house/neighborhood)." If you want anything more than a few webcams mounted here and there (which is what most people are pretending are security cameras...they're glorified webcams), they need to be contacting a professional to do it properly. I've worked in this field before and the amount of disrespect for security integrators vs something like a plumber in terms of valuing their expertise is just stupid.
And your "benefits" listed are a perfect example of the problem of people looking at a security product as a consumer product. You want more bandwidth than any camera system will ever use (as I've said before, modulated data link over coax exceeds a gigabit), you list redundancy as a benefit (I suspect from cameras that have internal memory) which is actually a kludge to fix failures of network protocol for the data link, and offloading duties to the camera (especially when that camera is in a harsh environment) is not a good thing. It distributes potential for failure.
Security isn't about bells and whistles or bullet points. It's about a dependable solution. The problem here is that we have a bunch of people shopping for "security" devices as consumer products. Siamese camera connection with central processing is the most tried and true method available. You can talk all you want about the future, but this is still today, and today a good professional TVI/CVI system will be more dependable than one on IP.
That said, it's all largely pointless discussion here anyway. People looking to buy these things on slickdeals are best described as hobbyists. Even if they get good equipment there's little chance of them installing/configuring it properly. I've tried to help more in depth in the past and people usually just end up giving up when I don't have some blanket "set x to y and put camera here here and here (even though I've no clue about your house/neighborhood)." If you want anything more than a few webcams mounted here and there (which is what most people are pretending are security cameras...they're glorified webcams), they need to be contacting a professional to do it properly. I've worked in this field before and the amount of disrespect for security integrators vs something like a plumber in terms of valuing their expertise is just stupid.
"Security integrators"? Come on dude.
Should have respect for the guy who wants to "tune" my TV with a light meter too?
This reads like having some "audiophile" telling you your 192kbps MP3s are garbage and OGG Vorbis is all he'll listen to... Meanwhile you just want something to play while you work out.
Should have respect for the guy who wants to "tune" my TV with a light meter too?
This reads like having some "audiophile" telling you your 192kbps MP3s are garbage and OGG Vorbis is all he'll listen to... Meanwhile you just want something to play while you work out.
Yes, a security integrator is a (usually, depends on where) licensed professional that puts together a security solution that may involve surveillance, usually involves a monitored alarm system, and even goes out to contracting with landscapers. Yes, they are trained professionals, and yes, they do know a hell of a lot more about security than you do.
Did some research on Lorex NVRs and DVRs some time ago - Apparently the app is thrash. Can someone who owns Lorex confirm whether the viewing through the app works?
I can confirm. I have a lorex nvr and while the system itself is awesome as stand alone nvr, I wish I had known about the remote viewing problems. The app won't connect to the nvr at all. Can't even see it. I've called s couple times and emailed. No luck. They say the same stupid stuff every time, offer no solution and pretend like it's something on your end. It's absolutely pathetic. I spent $1000 on mine so I'm not too happy about it especially since I bought an la view system a few years back and the app works beautifully on it and it was only $135 brand new with 4 cameras and 1tb on spoe. I think I'm going to set it back up along side my new system so I can remote view again
Did some research on Lorex NVRs and DVRs some time ago - Apparently the app is thrash. Can someone who owns Lorex confirm whether the viewing through the app works?
I bought the 8 channel NVR system with bullet cams last year from Costco. I think the app is OK. No real issues with it and I'm able to view it on multiple devices (currently using iPhones).
My complaint with the system would be that the motion detection is WAY too sensitive.
Last edited by Alex_03 April 25, 2021 at 07:34 AM.
I have a security consulting company that provides custom security solutions for homes, businesses, and government.
Buy good cameras, buy a compatible switch, attach it to a server with good software. Most systems run between 1500 and 3500 depending on different aspects.
View from your phone, secure data, physical data, and nearly lossless resolution.
I replace lots of these type systems, people are rarely happy in the long run and I replace them.
This is probably good advice, but the price may be a hurdle of entry for some.
Sadly at this price point sacrifices will be made......then we will be calling you for a proper system
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I have a security consulting company that provides custom security solutions for homes, businesses, and government.
Buy good cameras, buy a compatible switch, attach it to a server with good software. Most systems run between 1500 and 3500 depending on different aspects.
View from your phone, secure data, physical data, and nearly lossless resolution.
I replace lots of these type systems, people are rarely happy in the long run and I replace them.
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this was at costco last month for $100 or $150 less
https://www.costco.com/lorex-4k-u...75117.html
Buy good cameras, buy a compatible switch, attach it to a server with good software. Most systems run between 1500 and 3500 depending on different aspects.
View from your phone, secure data, physical data, and nearly lossless resolution.
I replace lots of these type systems, people are rarely happy in the long run and I replace them.
Awesome, thank you for the response. I got spooked when I checked the reviews on the app market for Lorex. I'm in the market for the Lorex 8 camera POE, NVR, lights and sound.
It alerts me when there is motion and I can chime in and watch whenever I want which are the two main things I need from the software.
I picked up one of those Costco deals, 8 cameras (Lorex E891AB-E 4K Ultra HD Smart Deterrence IP Camera) w NVR. It even comes with all the ethernet cable you need as well. Ended up selling 4 of the cameras on FB marketplace because I didn't need them.
Recording Frame Rate
8/16ch: 4K@7fps; 5Mp@12fps; 4MP/3MP@15fps; 1080P@ 25/30fps (NTSC)
My LaView 5MP DVR system (a rebranded/decontented of the popular circa-2015 Hikvision DS-7208HUI) does 5M@12fps 4M15 3M18 2M30 (the bundled cameras can output 5M12 5M20 4M30 so the fps limit is with the encoder chip, not the camera or cable). 5M12 appears stuttery during daytime and streaky at night (unable to identify moving cars but OK for pedestrians) so I set each of my camera's fps (5M12 or 4M15) according to where it's pointing at. The Lorex's 8M@7fps would only be good for bright area with little movement. It appears that this Lorex uses a last-gen H.26x encoding chip (same bandwidth as my LaView) and encode at 7fps just so they could claim 4K/8M resolution.
In comparison, the circa-2018 Hikvision DS7208HTI 4K/8MP DVR does 8M12 5M20 4M30 3M18 2M30.
Reolink has several affordable 5mp options that are pretty good.
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I'd reject the premise that you'd need to run ethernet in the first place though. The installed base for CCTV alone keeps siamese cabling relevant. Hence why we're talking about 4k DVRs now.
The POE groupthink has gotten thick around here.
Baluns just convert media type. You still only have 2 conductors. You need at least 4 for half duplex. A simple balun wouldn't work. Any actual analog to digital converter to make it work would end up being more expensive. POE is the future. You gave more bandwidth, redundancy and the ability to offload more duties to the camera. If you're already on bnc then something like this still has its uses but if you're running new lines I'd definitely spring a bit extra for POE.
https://smile.amazon.co
Works fine with TVI and CVI
And your "benefits" listed are a perfect example of the problem of people looking at a security product as a consumer product. You want more bandwidth than any camera system will ever use (as I've said before, modulated data link over coax exceeds a gigabit), you list redundancy as a benefit (I suspect from cameras that have internal memory) which is actually a kludge to fix failures of network protocol for the data link, and offloading duties to the camera (especially when that camera is in a harsh environment) is not a good thing. It distributes potential for failure.
Security isn't about bells and whistles or bullet points. It's about a dependable solution. The problem here is that we have a bunch of people shopping for "security" devices as consumer products. Siamese camera connection with central processing is the most tried and true method available. You can talk all you want about the future, but this is still today, and today a good professional TVI/CVI system will be more dependable than one on IP.
That said, it's all largely pointless discussion here anyway. People looking to buy these things on slickdeals are best described as hobbyists. Even if they get good equipment there's little chance of them installing/configuring it properly. I've tried to help more in depth in the past and people usually just end up giving up when I don't have some blanket "set x to y and put camera here here and here (even though I've no clue about your house/neighborhood)." If you want anything more than a few webcams mounted here and there (which is what most people are pretending are security cameras...they're glorified webcams), they need to be contacting a professional to do it properly. I've worked in this field before and the amount of disrespect for security integrators vs something like a plumber in terms of valuing their expertise is just stupid.
https://smile.amazon.co
Works fine with TVI and CVI
And your "benefits" listed are a perfect example of the problem of people looking at a security product as a consumer product. You want more bandwidth than any camera system will ever use (as I've said before, modulated data link over coax exceeds a gigabit), you list redundancy as a benefit (I suspect from cameras that have internal memory) which is actually a kludge to fix failures of network protocol for the data link, and offloading duties to the camera (especially when that camera is in a harsh environment) is not a good thing. It distributes potential for failure.
Security isn't about bells and whistles or bullet points. It's about a dependable solution. The problem here is that we have a bunch of people shopping for "security" devices as consumer products. Siamese camera connection with central processing is the most tried and true method available. You can talk all you want about the future, but this is still today, and today a good professional TVI/CVI system will be more dependable than one on IP.
That said, it's all largely pointless discussion here anyway. People looking to buy these things on slickdeals are best described as hobbyists. Even if they get good equipment there's little chance of them installing/configuring it properly. I've tried to help more in depth in the past and people usually just end up giving up when I don't have some blanket "set x to y and put camera here here and here (even though I've no clue about your house/neighborhood)." If you want anything more than a few webcams mounted here and there (which is what most people are pretending are security cameras...they're glorified webcams), they need to be contacting a professional to do it properly. I've worked in this field before and the amount of disrespect for security integrators vs something like a plumber in terms of valuing their expertise is just stupid.
"Security integrators"? Come on dude.
Should have respect for the guy who wants to "tune" my TV with a light meter too?
This reads like having some "audiophile" telling you your 192kbps MP3s are garbage and OGG Vorbis is all he'll listen to... Meanwhile you just want something to play while you work out.
Should have respect for the guy who wants to "tune" my TV with a light meter too?
This reads like having some "audiophile" telling you your 192kbps MP3s are garbage and OGG Vorbis is all he'll listen to... Meanwhile you just want something to play while you work out.
I bought the 8 channel NVR system with bullet cams last year from Costco. I think the app is OK. No real issues with it and I'm able to view it on multiple devices (currently using iPhones).
My complaint with the system would be that the motion detection is WAY too sensitive.
Buy good cameras, buy a compatible switch, attach it to a server with good software. Most systems run between 1500 and 3500 depending on different aspects.
View from your phone, secure data, physical data, and nearly lossless resolution.
I replace lots of these type systems, people are rarely happy in the long run and I replace them.
Sadly at this price point sacrifices will be made......then we will be calling you for a proper system
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Buy good cameras, buy a compatible switch, attach it to a server with good software. Most systems run between 1500 and 3500 depending on different aspects.
View from your phone, secure data, physical data, and nearly lossless resolution.
I replace lots of these type systems, people are rarely happy in the long run and I replace them.