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Win 10 reboots since the ongoing updates
June 2, 2021 at
01:07 PM
I have a HP Compaq 6200 Pro SFF Intel 5 pc - I did upgrade HDD, Ram, Video card
BIOS J01 v02.28 March 24th 2015
Its been working fine.
With this never ending updates, now it reboots in the middle of my work. No blue screen.
How to fix this?
HP has 2014 BIOS - but my PC has March 2015 BIOS - how is it possible?
https://support.hp.com/us-en/driv...pc/5037900
Update:
- Soon after I bought this on NewEgg, I installed the Video Card - will get back with the year of purchase
- a year ago, I put larger 2nd HDD.
- a year ago, I added more memory
BIOS J01 v02.28 March 24th 2015
Its been working fine.
With this never ending updates, now it reboots in the middle of my work. No blue screen.
How to fix this?
HP has 2014 BIOS - but my PC has March 2015 BIOS - how is it possible?
https://support.hp.com/us-en/driv...pc/5037900
Update:
- Soon after I bought this on NewEgg, I installed the Video Card - will get back with the year of purchase
- a year ago, I put larger 2nd HDD.
- a year ago, I added more memory
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Last longer as in, have slightly more powerful capable graphics so as to be more useful, maybe.
Last longer as in, extend the lifespan of the device, very unlikely.
It's possible that it's occasionally (under higher load) drawing a bit more power than the system can deliver and that's causing the 'black screens'.
GeForce 8400GS: P/N: 512-P3-1300-LR
https://www.newegg.com/evga-gefor...6814130
System Requirements Minimum of a 350 Watt power supply. (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 18 Amps.)
But I have used this PC for a while in the same config. Only lately I have these issues.
Perhaps something else is drawing more power in the PC?
I am thinking of going back to the OS install that is 1yr old and it worked fine. After installing, I am going to stop updates - I found how to do it.
This new install still did reboot - event viewer seems to say something to do win 10 DCOM or similar issue.
Thoughts, advice?
GeForce 8400GS: P/N: 512-P3-1300-LR
https://www.newegg.com/evga-gefor...6814130
System Requirements Minimum of a 350 Watt power supply. (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 18 Amps.)
But I have used this PC for a while in the same config. Only lately I have these issues.
Perhaps something else is drawing more power in the PC?
By the specs you post above it's underpowered by 100 watts.
To me, the math is simple.
By the specs you post above it's underpowered by 100 watts.
To me, the math is simple.
1) It worked flawlessly for years - what changed?
2) I thought if the power demand is guy, it will work over the spec and fail quicker - its not black & white - the spec says 100-240v 4A. So watt is at least 400!
1) It worked flawlessly for years - what changed?
2) I thought if the power demand is guy, it will work over the spec and fail quicker - its not black & white - the spec says 100-240v 4A. So watt is at least 400!
Video cards do fail, the fans are often one of the first things to go. Issues related to a diver update are possible. It could also be an early sign the PSU or mother board is starting to fail.
Years ago, I had a case fan in an older computer seize up resulting in my hard drives being cooked while I was out of town. A MOSFET in the power supply of a computer of mine that's similar in age to yours exploded last year.
1) It worked flawlessly for years - what changed?
2) I thought if the power demand is guy, it will work over the spec and fail quicker - its not black & white - the spec says 100-240v 4A. So watt is at least 400!
Some folks get 3 years and it dies, and some get 5 and beyond.
If the hardware lasts longer than 3 years, that's bonus time IMO.
When you get beyond 5 you are rolling the dice and the odds are getting worse and worse every day.
Does the box only have an add-in vid card or does it have a built in card in addition to the add-in?
If the latter, I'd pull the card and see if it can do what you want.
if the former, then I'd try some other card if you had one or could get one really cheap. I would not spend any serious $ as this is a crap-shoot at best.
1 other possibility to try....burn a Linux boot CD and run the box from that as that would help eliminate the windows drivers from the equation.
Error log - actually warning - I did not find anything else other than system reboot after failure:
The machine-default permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
{C2F03A33-21F5-47FA-B4BB-156362A2F239}
and APPID
{316CDED5-E4AE-4B15-9113-7055D84DCC97}
to the user DESKTOP-xxx\Owner SID (S-1-5-21-3530535213-4219387118-2373425608-1001) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application container Microsoft.Windows.ShellExperienceHost_10.0.19041.1023_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy SID (S-1-15-2-155514346-2573954481-755741238-1654018636-1233331829-3075935687-2861478708). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.
https://appuals.com/how-to-fix-th...ion-error/
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Video cards do fail, the fans are often one of the first things to go. Issues related to a diver update are possible. It could also be an early sign the PSU or mother board is starting to fail.
Years ago, I had a case fan in an older computer seize up resulting in my hard drives being cooked while I was out of town. A MOSFET in the power supply of a computer of mine that's similar in age to yours exploded last year.
- HP Compaq - SFF machines
I have 2 machines, intel and Phenom. Both were rebooting.
- To avoid the issue you had, is it enough to monitor the temp periodically?
Is there anything else you recommend?
I guess, older cars need more attention - let me do it to this PC too!
See if any of the fans look funny as they spin (with the machine on).
Make sure your data is backed up.
Save / watch for a deal on a new/newer computer.
Don't leave older computers turned on when your gone for days at a time.
- The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
{2593F8B9-4EAF-457C-B68A-50F6B8EA6B54}
and APPID
{15C20B67-12E7-4BB6-92BB-7AFF07997402}
to the user DESKTOP-xxx\Owner SID (S-1-5-21-3530535213-4219387118-2373425608-1001) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application container Unavailable SID (Unavailable). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.
CPU fan is running fine.
Case fine - for SFF, I have not seen it yet.
2) Win OS - I freshly installed the 12months old version and set it to not to auto upgrade. I did so since there are many people having issues with WinOS lately. More like in June.
Ran the Youtube for several hrs and no issues with the faulty video card in. Just removed it and looking for another one as I like an HDMI port.
Is there a way to see how much power the pc uses?
Because though the PS was designed for 240W, it is capapble of powering more just that its life span could be affected.
Other than the PS concern, I have solved all my PC issues. Thanks guys for tips and asking me questions. The issues were:
- Win OS: went back to older version and disabled auto upgrade. PC demand went up and MS team got excited and did a choppy job with their software
- Video Card works even if the fan does not move without temp issues. But I have swapped it. Failed one has lifetime warranty.
- MS works calendar issue got resolved when I use the older version of win10
- Eudora - I forgot to update the files to avoid the certificate error issues.
PS: I am someone always come back and report what worked or not!
Video cards do fail, the fans are often one of the first things to go. Issues related to a diver update are possible. It could also be an early sign the PSU or mother board is starting to fail.
They said power supply being 240W is not an issue unless I am gaming.
For the faulty fan, he said, I can disconnect the fan and use it with the heat sink - also pointed me to 37mm replacement fan on eBay - from China it cost $10. If you rotate the fan, there are 3 screws that would remove the fan/motor assembly. Other is put in a fan that will below air on the heat sink.
Where is the heat sensor located? How does the PC knows the temp of the Video card?
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The new card with fan working runs around 50C
The article below states "But the average GPU temp while gaming should be around 65 degrees Celsius to 75 degrees Celsius".
https://www.cputemper.c
Apparently modern cards fan got turned off at temp below 60C. Mine is not modern and fan motor bearing must have failed resulting in bearing sound.