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Samsung.com offers Eligible Samsung Education / Employee Discount Customers: 2TB Samsung 870 QVO Series 2.5" MLC V-Nand Internal Solid State Drive (MZ-77Q2T0B/AM) on sale for $161.99 when you follow instructions below. Shipping is free.

Thanks community member FrozenBeer for sharing this deal

Deal Instructions:
  1. Sign in with your eligible Samsung account that qualifies for Samsung Education or Employee Perks Program (EPP) Discounts
    • EDU Discount Members: Click here while signed-in to activate your EDU discount
    • EPP Discount Members: Click here while signed-in to activate your EPP discount
  2. Click here for 2TB Samsung 870 QVO Series 2.5" MLC V-Nand Internal Solid State Drive
  3. Add to cart
  4. Proceed to checkout
  5. Your total will be $161.99 + free shipping.
About the Product:
  • 2TB capacity
  • Samsung 4-Bit MLC V-NAND
  • Up to 560 MBps Max Sequential Read Speeds
  • Up to 530 MBps Max Sequential Write Speeds
  • 2.5" SATA Form Factor
  • Improved random access speed/sustained performance

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SAMSUNG 870 QVO SATA III 2.5" SSD 2TB

only $161 with EDU discount Not as good as the Amazon deal from March, but $161 is still pretty decent.

https://www.samsung.com/us/comput...7q2t0b-am/

**warranty is only 3-year**


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There's no quality difference in the chips. Flash memory stores data by placing a charge at a certain voltage inside a cell. QLC just uses more voltage levels per cell. SLC has 2 voltage levels (1 bit). MLC has 4 (2 bits). TLC has 8 (3 bits). QLC has 16 (4 bits). And the planned PLC has 32 voltage levels per cell (5 bits).

Because of the finer gradations of voltages at higher bit counts, it's slower to write. You have to be more careful placing the proper charge in the cell, and reading it back. Sometimes they even resort to reading it multiple times, and averaging the result to get the "correct" voltage measurement.

Because the charge slowly leaks out over time, the voltage gradually drops, eventually resulting in data loss. The more bits per cell, the smaller a drop before the data is lost. And the shorter the longevity of the data (unless the drive regularly refreshes the charge, which decreases the lifespan of the cell).

These are all consequences of using more voltage levels per cell. Nothing to do with the chips themselves.

Note that this puts these high-capacity QLC and PLC SSDs between a rock and a hard place. They're too slow for enthusiast use (unless you do a ton of SLC buffering). And they have poor reliability for long-term storage. So if you don't want to use them if you need to fast data access, and you don't want to use them if you need to write a little data and leave it there a long time, what exactly are you supposed to use them for? The caching performance is gonna have to be stellar, or they're going to have to prove its long duration endurance for QLC to be accepted.

The cost savings is not that big a deal either.

Say SLC costs $100 per TB of flash cells (NAND)
MLC would be $50, a $50 savings per GB compared to SLC
TLC would be $33, a $17 savings per GB compared to MLC
QLC would be $25, an $8 savings per GB compared to TLC
PLC would be $20, a $5 savings per GB compared to QLC

QLC is pretty close to the point where I would just rather pay the extra $8 (about $15 at retail) for the better speed and reliability of TLC. (The endurance issues with TLC have largely been canceled out by increases in drive size. A 1 TB SSD has 4x the write endurance of a 250 GB SSD, 8x that of a 125 GB SSD. Maybe that might be a niche for QLC in a decade, when a 10 TB SSD costs $100, and endurance is a non-issue.)
Devil's advocate: because it's cheaper memory and it's not intended to survive enthusiast use like TLC and MLC (higher quality chips). This is a business decision. You wouldn't sell a cow and warrant that it could fly.
Still waiting to replace my 1TB nvme ssd I bought three years ago for $69. Samsung, SK Hynix and Micron please stop colluding to milk the consumer at 1-2TB kkthx. We are ready to be cheated at 4-8TB.

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fishbomb
06-14-2021 at 04:45 PM.
06-14-2021 at 04:45 PM.
Wait for the 2TB Crucial MX500's to be this price again like they were last month imo
Reference https://slickdeals.net/f/15048901-crucial-mx500-2tb-sata-ssd-153-99?src=SiteSearchV2Algo1
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FrozenBeer
06-14-2021 at 05:41 PM.
06-14-2021 at 05:41 PM.
Quote from fishbomb :
Wait for the 2TB Crucial MX500's to be this price again like they were last month imo
Reference https://slickdeals.net/f/15048901-crucial-mx500-2tb-sata-ssd-153-99?src=SiteSearchV2Algo1
I had two of the Crucial SSDs in two different computers that went bad without any warning. First one was after 4 month and the second was after 6 months.(both within the same year) Fortunately I have been backing up my data religiously ever since 4 years ago when I lost almost 10 years of digital photos/videos. Frown
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06-14-2021 at 08:36 PM.
06-14-2021 at 08:36 PM.
We are unable to process your request at this time.
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06-15-2021 at 07:33 AM.
06-15-2021 at 07:33 AM.
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Looks like our Cash back site that starts with an R is giving another 10% back bringing this to an all time low of $144 for me
Why would some oneThumbs down this post?
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06-15-2021 at 08:14 AM.
06-15-2021 at 08:14 AM.
Employee discount and cash back also got me one at $144. Thanks.
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06-15-2021 at 11:41 AM.
06-15-2021 at 11:41 AM.
ehhh maybe if it was EVO never heard of this one
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justanothergeek
06-15-2021 at 11:48 AM.
06-15-2021 at 11:48 AM.
Quote from SlickDealir :
Hence, they're cheaper (sorry I couldn't type as many words LOL)
I think you owe Solandri a bit more credit than that. So many comments on SD are "thanks but no thanks..." or "wish it was better..." and I often wonder why people need to push "submit" on a post that offers no value to the community at large. Solandri puts quite a bit of effort into a post that actually helps people learn and your response is "I said the same thing with fewer words.."? really?
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Jaggsta
06-15-2021 at 12:09 PM.
06-15-2021 at 12:09 PM.
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3 Year warranty??
Sounds like they don't have much faith in their drives, why should we?

QLC memory less endurance 2TB drive has 720TBW endurance. While 2TB EVO uses TLC memory with 1200TBW

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15...-refreshed
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06-15-2021 at 12:24 PM.
06-15-2021 at 12:24 PM.
Quote from Jaggsta :
QLC memory less endurance 2TB drive has 720TBW endurance. While 2TB EVO uses TLC memory with 1200TBW

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15...-refreshed [anandtech.com]
Big difference, thanks!
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06-15-2021 at 12:49 PM.
06-15-2021 at 12:49 PM.
Quote from Solandri :
There's no quality difference in the chips. Flash memory stores data by placing a charge at a certain voltage inside a cell. QLC just uses more voltage levels per cell. SLC has 2 voltage levels (1 bit). MLC has 4 (2 bits). TLC has 8 (3 bits). QLC has 16 (4 bits). And the planned PLC has 32 voltage levels per cell (5 bits).

Because of the finer gradations of voltages at higher bit counts, it's slower to write. You have to be more careful placing the proper charge in the cell, and reading it back. Sometimes they even resort to reading it multiple times, and averaging the result to get the "correct" voltage measurement.

Because the charge slowly leaks out over time, the voltage gradually drops, eventually resulting in data loss. The more bits per cell, the smaller a drop before the data is lost. And the shorter the longevity of the data (unless the drive regularly refreshes the charge, which decreases the lifespan of the cell).

These are all consequences of using more voltage levels per cell. Nothing to do with the chips themselves.

Note that this puts these high-capacity QLC and PLC SSDs between a rock and a hard place. They're too slow for enthusiast use (unless you do a ton of SLC buffering). And they have poor reliability for long-term storage. So if you don't want to use them if you need to fast data access, and you don't want to use them if you need to write a little data and leave it there a long time, what exactly are you supposed to use them for? The caching performance is gonna have to be stellar, or they're going to have to prove its long duration endurance for QLC to be accepted.

The cost savings is not that big a deal either.
  • Say SLC costs $100 per TB of flash cells (NAND)
  • MLC would be $50, a $50 savings per GB compared to SLC
  • TLC would be $33, a $17 savings per GB compared to MLC
  • QLC would be $25, an $8 savings per GB compared to TLC
  • PLC would be $20, a $5 savings per GB compared to QLC
QLC is pretty close to the point where I would just rather pay the extra $8 (about $15 at retail) for the better speed and reliability of TLC. (The endurance issues with TLC have largely been canceled out by increases in drive size. A 1 TB SSD has 4x the write endurance of a 250 GB SSD, 8x that of a 125 GB SSD. Maybe that might be a niche for QLC in a decade, when a 10 TB SSD costs $100, and endurance is a non-issue.)

Man I love your optimism with the 10TB for a bill in a decade.... Hope you are right!
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06-15-2021 at 01:10 PM.
06-15-2021 at 01:10 PM.
Quote from elnino2783 :
I just need gaming storage. Is this any good for that?
Yes, it's good for a gamming drive, and not good for anything else.
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06-15-2021 at 01:30 PM.
06-15-2021 at 01:30 PM.
Quote from Solandri :
There's no quality difference in the chips. Flash memory stores data by placing a charge at a certain voltage inside a cell. QLC just uses more voltage levels per cell. SLC has 2 voltage levels (1 bit). MLC has 4 (2 bits). TLC has 8 (3 bits). QLC has 16 (4 bits). And the planned PLC has 32 voltage levels per cell (5 bits).

Because of the finer gradations of voltages at higher bit counts, it's slower to write. You have to be more careful placing the proper charge in the cell, and reading it back. Sometimes they even resort to reading it multiple times, and averaging the result to get the "correct" voltage measurement.

Because the charge slowly leaks out over time, the voltage gradually drops, eventually resulting in data loss. The more bits per cell, the smaller a drop before the data is lost. And the shorter the longevity of the data (unless the drive regularly refreshes the charge, which decreases the lifespan of the cell).

These are all consequences of using more voltage levels per cell. Nothing to do with the chips themselves.

Note that this puts these high-capacity QLC and PLC SSDs between a rock and a hard place. They're too slow for enthusiast use (unless you do a ton of SLC buffering). And they have poor reliability for long-term storage. So if you don't want to use them if you need to fast data access, and you don't want to use them if you need to write a little data and leave it there a long time, what exactly are you supposed to use them for? The caching performance is gonna have to be stellar, or they're going to have to prove its long duration endurance for QLC to be accepted.

The cost savings is not that big a deal either.
  • Say SLC costs $100 per TB of flash cells (NAND)
  • MLC would be $50, a $50 savings per GB compared to SLC
  • TLC would be $33, a $17 savings per GB compared to MLC
  • QLC would be $25, an $8 savings per GB compared to TLC
  • PLC would be $20, a $5 savings per GB compared to QLC
QLC is pretty close to the point where I would just rather pay the extra $8 (about $15 at retail) for the better speed and reliability of TLC. (The endurance issues with TLC have largely been canceled out by increases in drive size. A 1 TB SSD has 4x the write endurance of a 250 GB SSD, 8x that of a 125 GB SSD. Maybe that might be a niche for QLC in a decade, when a 10 TB SSD costs $100, and endurance is a non-issue.)
Excellent post. Great information. Much I knew, but now I my knowledge has been updated! Nevermind the posts that said you were verbose.. I appreciated it.

In general, this drive is a good price point for 2TB for most users, but I fall into your category of needing long term reliability, so it is not for me.
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06-15-2021 at 04:07 PM.
06-15-2021 at 04:07 PM.
Anyone having issues adding to cart? I just see "where to buy" and then I click "buy on samsung" and then it just redirects me to the same page with the "where to buy" option.
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06-15-2021 at 04:32 PM.
06-15-2021 at 04:32 PM.
Is this better then the Crucial MX500 2tb for $150 a few weeks ago?
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