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09-13-2021 at 06:41 AM.
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DDR5 is out in 2 months with the new Intel chipset. AMD should be sometime next year so it's a relatively good time to upgrade unless you want to wait on 4000 series GPUs.
thanks, will probably go for the AMD next year.
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09-13-2021 at 07:45 AM.
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It should work, but dual channel part would be limited to 32gb (smallest module size x 4).

99.9% of people don't need more than 16GB ram, let alone 32GB. Someone with a Dell 8940 I'm guessing is not a content creator?

If you really NEED more than the 16GB you have, either replace them with this kit and sell yours, or add 16GB of matching ram for much cheaper. If you're a creator, then depending on what you're doing you'd probably be looking at a new PC first.

Edit: also there's a chance your BIOS doesn't recognize the XMP settings of this kit, and might default to 2133. You'd need manual controls, which you might not have.
You are definitely off the mark with 99.9%.

Anyone into video, photography, 3d rendering, many engineering and science applications, many fashion and design applications, some finance applications, etc., All use programs that can eat up huge amounts of RAM. Anyone who does heavy multi tasking with multiple monitors, too.

Using over 16 is not hard at all.
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09-13-2021 at 07:53 AM.
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Thanks in advance, noob here:: Would this work in a Dell 8940 at 2933 or force it down to 2433 if we put this in the open 2 slots (i.e. use all 4 slots; (2 8gb oem dell) + above = 48gb ram.. or memory size mismatch causes complete failure of a faster system..

if memory serves I think dell wants 1.2volts and this is higher? ok maybe thats not good Frown

or more likely I need a computer friend!
I picked up the same machine from the last deal and went through the same process trying to figure out what ram would work. I wound up with KLEVV 32gb KD4AGU88C-32N220D https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08XQ88SZS/ [amazon.com]. 32gb for $120 and running at 2933mz .

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09-13-2021 at 08:22 AM.
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last time i build a PC was like 8-10 years ago, still running on same systems. very tempting to build/upgrade again

Same here. I remember when there good case, memory, HDD, monitor, CPU, GPU, etc deals every week. Now you have to wait weeks or more to piece a build together, and that is generally if you don't need a new GPU. Then add 6mo.
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09-13-2021 at 11:18 AM.
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Same here. I remember when there good case, memory, HDD, monitor, CPU, GPU, etc deals every week. Now you have to wait weeks or more to piece a build together, and that is generally if you don't need a new GPU. Then add 6mo.
my last upgrade/build is still holding up strong. everything is running smooth on Win 7,8 and now 10. so I can probably hold out for next 2-3 years, until the hardware prices come down.
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09-13-2021 at 11:21 AM.
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you don't have to turn off pagefile altogether, you can just preallocate 4-8GB and not allow WIndows to "mis"manage it. That way it goes to RAM more than virtual when you have 32GB avail
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Sounds like your problem is Firefox. Also, don't turn off page file, it's required for crash reports and some programs won't work properly without it enabled
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I respectably disagree. I don't know about 99% of people, doesn't really matter since if you're reading this, you only care about your own computer. I have one system with 16GB and it gets bogged down to page file just from Firefox, until Firefox eventually crashes, and it's at 4GB memory usage for Firefox after it reloads fresh. In fact, if you can just put 32GB in the system and turn off the page file all together and if everything runs fine, your system will be much more responsive. You can't stop Windows from sending your data to the page file. It's obsessed with keeping memory free instead of using it for what you want. But, I do agree you don't NEED it. But I got computers that I been using daily since 2009 or earlier, so not too worried about $100 investment in extra RAM over the lifetime of a computer.
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09-13-2021 at 11:42 AM.
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09-13-2021 at 03:32 PM.
09-13-2021 at 03:32 PM.
Quote from GreenPanther4395 :
You are definitely off the mark with 99.9%.

Anyone into video, photography, 3d rendering, many engineering and science applications, many fashion and design applications, some finance applications, etc., All use programs that can eat up huge amounts of RAM. Anyone who does heavy multi tasking with multiple monitors, too.

Using over 16 is not hard at all.
you're definitely under the slickdeals effect. imagine the distribution of PCs that are being sold into the marketplace. there will be 1000 machines being used as mainstream desktops and laptops for every 1 productivity pc.

https://www.statista.com/statisti...by-vendor/

Vast majority of computers still only have integrated graphics. it's been covered time and time again that games don't need more than 16gb unless you're streaming or doing other things in the background.
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09-13-2021 at 03:33 PM.
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I respectably disagree. I don't know about 99% of people, doesn't really matter since if you're reading this, you only care about your own computer. I have one system with 16GB and it gets bogged down to page file just from Firefox, until Firefox eventually crashes, and it's at 4GB memory usage for Firefox after it reloads fresh. In fact, if you can just put 32GB in the system and turn off the page file all together and if everything runs fine, your system will be much more responsive. You can't stop Windows from sending your data to the page file. It's obsessed with keeping memory free instead of using it for what you want. But, I do agree you don't NEED it. But I got computers that I been using daily since 2009 or earlier, so not too worried about $100 investment in extra RAM over the lifetime of a computer.
actually, it's clear that you only care about your own computer. data shows otherwise.

imagine the distribution of PCs that are being sold into the marketplace. there will be 1000 machines being used as mainstream desktops and laptops for every 1 productivity pc.

https://www.statista.com/statisti...by-vendor/

Vast majority of computers still only have integrated graphics. it's been covered time and time again that games don't need more than 16gb unless you're streaming or doing other things in the background.
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09-14-2021 at 09:17 PM.
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you're definitely under the slickdeals effect. imagine the distribution of PCs that are being sold into the marketplace. there will be 1000 machines being used as mainstream desktops and laptops for every 1 productivity pc.

https://www.statista.com/statisti...by-vendor/

Vast majority of computers still only have integrated graphics. it's been covered time and time again that games don't need more than 16gb unless you're streaming or doing other things in the background.
Huh? What does gpu have to do with ram usage? I have a ten year old gpu in my PC with 64gb ram. I can easily use integrated.

There are many mainstream desktops (or laptops) sold with 32gb ram.
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09-15-2021 at 11:32 PM.
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Huh? What does gpu have to do with ram usage? I have a ten year old gpu in my PC with 64gb ram. I can easily use integrated.

There are many mainstream desktops (or laptops) sold with 32gb ram.
In the consumer space, the average selling price of desktops hovers around $660-$670, and laptops around $750. Obviously you won't find 32GB+ configurations in PCs anywhere close to these price points. Twice as many laptops are sold than desktops, which tend to have smaller memory configurations. Apple even limits its notebooks to only 16GB except on the Macbook Pro 16". Most PCs sold (in units) at retailers are configured with integrated graphics, which almost always has a configuration with 16GB or less RAM. Market share in units of these PCs account for vast majority of consumer sales.

Look at the top 50 laptops or all-in-ones sold on Amazon, and you won't find a single one with more than 16GB RAM. There's one desktop in the top 50 with 32GB RAM, but that's an exception since its selling point is the RTX3080.

And just because someone paid for more RAM doesn't mean they will actually need that much. Just how many content creators and other use case scenarios do you think there are in the world compared to number of students, grandparents, officer workers, etc.?

I am not doubting or dismissing anyone who needs 32GB or more RAM. Clearly, there is a need for many usage cases. But statistically, that may account for 1 in 1000 PCs in use in the world. Likely far less.
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09-16-2021 at 08:57 PM.
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In the consumer space, the average selling price of desktops hovers around $660-$670, and laptops around $750. Obviously you won't find 32GB+ configurations in PCs anywhere close to these price points. Twice as many laptops are sold than desktops, which tend to have smaller memory configurations. Apple even limits its notebooks to only 16GB except on the Macbook Pro 16". Most PCs sold (in units) at retailers are configured with integrated graphics, which almost always has a configuration with 16GB or less RAM. Market share in units of these PCs account for vast majority of consumer sales.

Look at the top 50 laptops or all-in-ones sold on Amazon, and you won't find a single one with more than 16GB RAM. There's one desktop in the top 50 with 32GB RAM, but that's an exception since its selling point is the RTX3080.

And just because someone paid for more RAM doesn't mean they will actually need that much. Just how many content creators and other use case scenarios do you think there are in the world compared to number of students, grandparents, officer workers, etc.?

I am not doubting or dismissing anyone who needs 32GB or more RAM. Clearly, there is a need for many usage cases. But statistically, that may account for 1 in 1000 PCs in use in the world. Likely far less.
Globally just looking at sales numbers that may be true, but that's just skewing the data with lots of poor people in China and India.

In the US, that's entirely inaccurate. Dell has many configurations with 32 or 64 GB. Heck, Costco sells 32gb computers. Costco isn't stocking and selling units that are .1% sellers.

https://www.costco.com/dell-inspi...58981.html

You are just wrong. There are far more than .1% of the US (or industrialized) population that use computers in more intensive manners. Adobe creative cloud alone has 22 million subscribers, and that's just one use and one software maker (and one purchase method).
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09-16-2021 at 09:06 PM.
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Quote from GreenPanther4395 :
Globally just looking at sales numbers that may be true, but that's just skewing the data with lots of poor people in China and India.

In the US, that's entirely inaccurate. Dell has many configurations with 32 or 64 GB. Heck, Costco sells 32gb computers. Costco isn't stocking and selling units that are .1% sellers.

https://www.costco.com/dell-inspi...58981.html

You are just wrong. There are far more than .1% of the US (or industrialized) population that use computers in more intensive manners.
The average selling price data is US only.

Can you tell us number of units sold of their 32GB SKUs vs. others? Can you back up your claims with any other data?
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09-16-2021 at 09:15 PM.
09-16-2021 at 09:15 PM.
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The average selling price data is US only.

Can you tell us number of units sold of their 32GB SKUs vs. others? Can you back up your claims with any other data?
No, and neither have you. There is no data on ram per sale.

Average Sales price doesn't tell you anything. The average is 700$, how much is the top .1%? That Costco unit is priced at 1500$. Double the average selling price is unlikely to be .1%, or even close. Furthermore, you can get a Dell desktop with 32gb for 969$.

Best to go off of numbers of people. .1% of the US population is 330k people. Engineers alone are 3 million. If just 1 in 10 engineers use 32gb or more, you're already at .1% of the population. That doesn't include the myriad other types of users. .1% is outlandishly low.

A few other profession numbers: 250k graphic artists, 120k photographers, another 4 million scientists.
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09-16-2021 at 11:39 PM.
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Quote from GreenPanther4395 :
Best to go off of numbers of people. .1% of the US population is 330k people. Engineers alone are 3 million. If just 1 in 10 engineers use 32gb or more, you're already at .1% of the population. That doesn't include the myriad other types of users. .1% is outlandishly low.

Pure assumption. And United States Bureau of Labor Statistics's 3 million number is a very broad category under "Architecture and engineering occupations", including jobs such as surveyors with high school degrees. Is that the best you can do?
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