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expired Posted by fruman44 • Sep 29, 2021
Sep 29, 2021 5:57 PM
Costco Members: Denon AVR-S760H 7.2-Channel 8K Ultra HD AV Receiver
(In-Warehouse Purchase Only)$440
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If his device had broken 5 months ago and he returned it, that's one thing. But, to go and return it because there's suddenly a different device? "Come on, man." It's literally the reason why they changed the unlimited return policy to 90 days for electronics, because people were grossly taking advantage of it.
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Any AVR from a reputably company will be sufficient for the majority of the population regardless of price point or speaker system when properly set up with a sub in real life situations.
For a more detailed explanation see below.
Look at the sensitivity rating of your speakers. It's expressed in dB/W or dB/V. That's how loud the speaker will play at 1W at 1M distance. For example, a speaker with a sensitivity rating of 87dB/W will play at 87dB at 1W at 1M. You lose 6dB for every doubling of distance and it requires a doubling of power to increase the volume by 3dB. So at 7' which is just over 2M you are just shy of 81dB at 1W of power. You need 2W to get to 84dB and 4W to get back to 87dB at 2M.
Dolby reference is 85dB with 105dB peaks from each satellite speaker. That would be 0dbs on a properly calibrated AVR volume display. Taking the above information you will need 256W/CH to achieve Dolby reference volumes. Sounds like a lot, but that is in an ideal set up for a proper theater set up. in reality though, you will never require that much power.
First of all, unless you plan on playing at reference, you will not be playing your system at full reference levels. In a well treated room that is properly set up, it will be very loud. Not uncomfortably so, but still loud. Most home theaters will not fit in that category. Remember, 85dB is per speaker. Run 5 speakers at that level and it'll be higher than 85dB. Most setups will fall into the poorly treated room. You will be hearing quite a bit of secondary reflected sounds coming from your speakers. It's this reflected sound coming from your walls, floors and ceilings that give the perception that the volume is uncomfortably loud. So most people in this scenario will not be turning up the volume to reference levels. Just lowering the volume to -3dBs on the AVR display means you've lowered your power requirements from 256W to 128W. Going down to -6dBs means you now only need 64W. -9dBs only requires 32W. Now you should start to understand why most people need a lot less power from an AVR than they think.
Next thing to consider is that bass takes the lion's share of the power requirements. In a properly set up system with a sub, you should set all your speakers to small and crossover to a sub for the lower octaves. So now that 32W required to listen at -9dBs drops significantly. I would say it's safe to say at least 50% of the load is taken away if you cross over at 80Hz. Now we're down to 16W/CH required at -9dBs at 2M. Even then 16W is, IMO a worst case scenario.
I can tell you in my set up, I have 86dB/2.83V 4ohm speakers and I have measured
I wanted to get this receiver to future-proof myself in light of the HDMI decoder chip debacle that plagued the TSR-700 (and earlier Denons). So far, all I've got is degraded video from the PS5.
Perhaps the Denon S760H is more stringent with how it processes video. Maybe it's a bit too new and Denon needs to release a firmware update.
Just a word of warning for anyone in the same boat as me. I'm still a fan of this unit, and if you're in the market for either the Denon or the Yamaha, for the extra $40 I'd go Denon despite this issue.
People who have ever listened to an even moderately decent home theater setup would never ask this question.
Cost has nothing to do with whether or not a an AVR will work in a person's system regardless of what title you want to give the person or what speakers they have. I'm not even sure what constitutes a "serious audiophile".
Smart, cost conscious people buy lowest cost products based on whether it fits their needs. They don't assume a products performance based on price. Just because a person owns a $100K pair of speakers doesn't mean they need a $10K receiver or $1K/ft. speaker wires made from the tears of a unicorn.
Compared to that and my other AVR which is a roughly 2006 Onkyo budget model, the build feels cheap immediately. The settings layout seems very familiar, which I'll put in the "Con" category because I'm comparing 2 Denon receivers with the same crap setup interface built 17 years apart. I get that if it ain't broke don't fix it...but this doesn't apply if it's a steaming heap you're happy to never have to deal with after initial setup.
It's paired with a set of Klipsch EPIC II 200w floor speakers, matching center and rear surrounds, and 10" sub - so definitely not in the same class of equipment. I thought it might be fine because I honestly never play anything even a third of what these speakers can do, and volume is definitely not an issue.
I have 2 significant deal-breaker issues, the first is less niche and that's the horrific distortion and attenuation that occurs with the MultEQ profiles enabled. Movie and Music modes sound just awful. Pure mode sounds much better, but still lacks the definition I'm used to from the old receiver.
The second is that it advertises Google assistant support and I guess that's technically true, but the caveat is that it can only change tracks (back or next) or power the unit on or off, but it cannot be used to play anything from a service, ie no "play whateversong by whomever".
In the past I used a Chromecast Audio for this function and the AVR was just left on the input except for the rare instances I changed it for either a movie or the record player. Now eARC does its thing and switches audio to the TV every time it's powered on so I would have to manually set the input before asking the google assistant to play, which is just annoying. I'm working around that by using an OG Chromecast which technically works, but it turns the TV on every time to pass the output to the TV which processes it through some kind of filter that leaves it sounding flat by the time it gets back to the AVR.
Overall, I'd rather just live without ARC. Ah well, it was a nice idea ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Difference between Audyssey Multeq VS Multeq XT Vs Multeq XT32 [audiosciencereview.com]
Now I am convinced I don't want anything without XT32, and am willing to wait around for a discount on an AVR-X3700H, if ever. I saw this in store yesterday (Irvine, CA), and from the logo on the box, plus what I could find in the manual, it seems like this unit has regular MultEQ. My old receiver has MultEQ XT, so I'd at least like to step up from there.
Edit: Linker seems to keep adding a stray "=" to the end of the URL, breaking the link.
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I'm interested in that combination and wanted to hear what owners think of it.
I'm interested in that combination and wanted to hear what owners think of it.
Heres the deal in my opinion:
A) If you want to get into Home Theater as a hobby, this isn't a good starter point, you probably want to skip this low level and get something "better". You can probably buy separates that will be better for a similar price. Any HT enthusiast would suggest putting this $ into a 3.1 system and later buy the additional 2.X.2. But this advice is again, if you want to get into speakers as a hobby that you'll upgrade frequently and ultimately will cost thousands and thousands of dollars.
B) You want something thats set and forget and WAY better than any sound bar, then this is an incredible set. I got them since i had a budget, and these fit into it as a full setup (cheaper than high end soundbars too). I dont plan on updating them anytime soon, one purchase (well really three...need the AV receiver and a sub) and i was done and it comes with all the benefits of Costco. The Atmos isn't incredible (upfiring never is), but it pairs well with this receiver.
Just a warning, this set gets delivered as one giant box...its like half the size of a car. If they have it in store, its usually $100 less, and it goes on sale for $100 off fairly frequently (i think it was $200 off at one point).
Heres the deal in my opinion:
A) If you want to get into Home Theater as a hobby, this isn't a good starter point, you probably want to skip this low level and get something "better". You can probably buy separates that will be better for a similar price. Any HT enthusiast would suggest putting this $ into a 3.1 system and later buy the additional 2.X.2. But this advice is again, if you want to get into speakers as a hobby that you'll upgrade frequently and ultimately will cost thousands and thousands of dollars.
B) You want something thats set and forget and WAY better than any sound bar, then this is an incredible set. I got them since i had a budget, and these fit into it as a full setup (cheaper than high end soundbars too). I dont plan on updating them anytime soon, one purchase (well really three...need the AV receiver and a sub) and i was done and it comes with all the benefits of Costco. The Atmos isn't incredible (upfiring never is), but it pairs well with this receiver.
Just a warning, this set gets delivered as one giant box...its like half the size of a car. If they have it in store, its usually $100 less, and it goes on sale for $100 off fairly frequently (i think it was $200 off at one point).
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Heres the deal in my opinion:
A) If you want to get into Home Theater as a hobby, this isn't a good starter point, you probably want to skip this low level and get something "better". You can probably buy separates that will be better for a similar price. Any HT enthusiast would suggest putting this $ into a 3.1 system and later buy the additional 2.X.2. But this advice is again, if you want to get into speakers as a hobby that you'll upgrade frequently and ultimately will cost thousands and thousands of dollars.
B) You want something thats set and forget and WAY better than any sound bar, then this is an incredible set. I got them since i had a budget, and these fit into it as a full setup (cheaper than high end soundbars too). I dont plan on updating them anytime soon, one purchase (well really three...need the AV receiver and a sub) and i was done and it comes with all the benefits of Costco. The Atmos isn't incredible (upfiring never is), but it pairs well with this receiver.
Just a warning, this set gets delivered as one giant box...its like half the size of a car. If they have it in store, its usually $100 less, and it goes on sale for $100 off fairly frequently (i think it was $200 off at one point).
I set these up with the Denon 760 over the weekend. I plan to do another Audyssey calibration based on tips I've read online. I know this is best practice, but did you set your individual speaker crossover to 80 hz and all as "Small"? Just wondering if you had any suggestions to further optimize my Denon setup based on your experience with the same speakers? Audyssey automatically set my Fronts to 40 hz (or might have been full band I can't recall), center at 100 hz, surrounds at 80 hz and front Dolby's at 40 hz.