Model: Klipsch Reference R-610F 5.1 Home Theater Pack
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Sub is not wireless. Add two more book shelf speakers to ceiling so you get the atmos for $90.
Price breakdown-Individually the two 610f are $299(Adorama) , bookshelf 41M are $90 (Costco), the sub at $149 (Adorama) & center 52C at $224 (Amazon) Total cost=$764. You save 164 with bundle in this post.
Good deal. You could probably pick up the individual pieces for slightly less if you were super patient and found the best deals but this is a really good price to get the whole package.
I bought these at this exact price at Adorama a few months ago. I paired it with Denon S750 AR. I'm no expert so the expectations may vary, but I am very happy with the setup I have that I moved from a 300w 2.1 soundbar.
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Installed this set, and it is really good (compared to the klipsch sound bar I had earlier). Ordered another R-12SW sub at $150 to complement the one in the kit. Great deal for $600.
I'm looking to move from my sound bar but I don't have the space for 5.1. I need just 3.2 any recommendations or can I return the bookshelf's ? Or maybe I can sell them on Facebook.
I'm looking to move from my sound bar but I don't have the space for 5.1. I need just 3.2 any recommendations or can I return the bookshelf's ? Or maybe I can sell them on Facebook.
This set up is much better than a sound bar.
Yes, sell the ones you don't want on Facebook or eBay.
I'm looking to move from my sound bar but I don't have the space for 5.1. I need just 3.2 any recommendations or can I return the bookshelf's ? Or maybe I can sell them on Facebook.
If you're limited in space just go with good bookshelves and one sub.
This model is at the bottom of Klipsch line unless you have listened to these & are the ones you like/want.
Doby Atmos is a format of codec. Any speaker can support atmos if set up correctly. A 5.1.2 set is the starting point of atmos where the first number 5 is the number of ear-level speakers, the second number 1 is the number of subwoofers, and the last number 2 is for overhead speakers.
Mid to high end soundbars can decode Atmos and distribute sound to the aforementioned channels with their integrated chipsets and amplifiers. Take the high end Samsung HW-Q950A for example, it includes 11.1.4 channels but all 15 speaker channels are scrambled in three boxes (excluding the sub) and it works by bouncing sound from walls and ceiling to create the soundstage required by Atmos. If you have the space to place speakers at the proper locations, it can provide much better quality, soundstage, total output, flexibility, and sound effects than a soundbar in the same price range. Soundbars are mostly for easy to set up and use and space saving.
Back to this set, it has the 5.1 part already included so you can add the last .2 yourself for Atmos. Since this is a budget set, a pair of Sony SSCSE currently on sale for 113 completes this perfectly, and you can place it either on top of R-610F or on front wall as heights (recommended). I would also recommend to pick up a second R-12SW currently also on sale for $150 to complete a 5.2.2 system. Dual subs provide significant benefits for a very small cost at this price range, especially that the R-610Fs in this package are lacking in the bass department.
For receivers, you would want a 7.2 channel one. The three Costco ones Denon AVR-S760H (449), Onkyo TX-NR6050 (499), Yamaha TSR-700 (439) all provide great value for the price, with the Denon one a little more popular and reliable in general. However, availability may vary so either one should work well. If you don't need the next-gen features such as hdmi 2.1, additional zone and inputs, etc, you can get Denon AVR-S750H-R from Denon's website for $350 and it is more than sufficient.
These make a great entry level HT Atmos system with total cost of ~1000 with 600 this set, 113 SSCSE, 350 for receiver, minus potential cashback from paypal (120+5% on Adorama), amex offer (30 for Amazon, 25 for Adorama) etc, and it will vastly outperform any soundbar you can get in the current market.
The next step up will require either better quality speakers and woofers, and/or more channels in Atmos (e.g. 7.2.4) and the receiver alone will start at 800 USD, and price of speakers will also at least double to see a noticeable improvement. That will bring you to the real audiophile territory where Klipsch gets even more hates.
This was a tremendous help for my understanding! We got our first home and wife gifted "us" a C1 past month. I am on the fence on upgrading from from LG SJ9 Sound Bar (5.1.2) to this. What would be your take on this matter? Our home has an open floor concept and we do quite often listen to music while cooking and movies/tv show. In your opinion do you think it's worth upgrading to this budget setup? Also, we have two speakers that came prewired that are on the ceiling that i would like to utilize, if possible.
This was a tremendous help for my understanding! We got our first home and wife gifted "us" a C1 past month. I am on the fence on upgrading from from LG SJ9 Sound Bar (5.1.2) to this. What would be your take on this matter? Our home has an open floor concept and we do quite often listen to music while cooking and movies/tv show. In your opinion do you think it's worth upgrading to this budget setup? Also, we have two speakers that came prewired that are on the ceiling that i would like to utilize, if possible.
If I may I would like to interject my opinion on this from my experience.
I would suggest skipping doing object based setup(Atmos/DTS:X) especially if that is your budget range, here is why.
As stevenash2005 pointed out this is a "budget set" which it is Klipsch's very entry level line.
He also mentioned it would "make a great entry level HT Atmos system", that's kinda contradictory of terms IMO.
He went on to state "The next step up will require either better quality speakers" which he is correct.
Here is the issue, a common misconception is people read "Atmos" and automatically thinks it's better.
What often gets overlooked also is placement and angles which is important for optimum quality.
What happens is people try to squeeze in "Atmos" which causes sacrificing the whole quality of the system.
In other words if you have a choice of an entry level "Atmos" setup or a good 5.1 setup, you're better off with a good 5.1.
To go to the "next step up" means upgrading the 5.1 setup.
Often a good 5.1 setup can rival if not outperform a "entry level" Atmos setup in quality of sound.
As stevenash2005 pointed out you can always add "Atmos" later if you really want to move up which he is correct.
You also won't need to buy a 4K receiver unless you need some features on it a slightly older model doesn't.
If or when you do I would suggest shooting for a 5.1.4 object based setup, it's the optimal layout for a home setup.
If I may I would like to interject my opinion on this from my experience.
I would suggest skipping doing object based setup(Atmos/DTS:X) especially if that is your budget range, here is why.
As stevenash2005 pointed out this is a "budget set" which it is Klipsch's very entry level line.
He also mentioned it would "make a great entry level HT Atmos system", that's kinda contradictory of terms IMO.
He went on to state "The next step up will require either better quality speakers" which he is correct.
Here is the issue, a common misconception is people read "Atmos" and automatically thinks it's better.
What often gets overlooked also is placement and angles which is important for optimum quality.
What happens is people try to squeeze in "Atmos" which causes sacrificing the whole quality of the system.
In other words if you have a choice of an entry level "Atmos" setup or a good 5.1 setup, you're better off with a good 5.1.
To go to the "next step up" means upgrading the 5.1 setup.
Often a good 5.1 setup can rival if not outperform a "entry level" Atmos setup in quality of sound.
As stevenash2005 pointed out you can always add "Atmos" later if you really want to move up which he is correct.
You also won't need to buy a 4K receiver unless you need some features on it a slightly older model doesn't.
If or when you do I would suggest shooting for a 5.1.4 object based setup, it's the optimal layout for a home setup.
I don't mind interjection at all, I love learning new stuff the right way.
I understand what you have stated in your reply. Here is what I need to know for starters.
Would this setup that @stevenash2005 stated (5.2.2) would be a big step up from my current LG 5.1.2 soundbar? (I honestly don't know anyone who has a decent set up to ask and go check it out)
I can forego the font two speakers that are pre wired already. They are to close where the front speakers would go as they are closer to the wall then what's shown on Dolby as reference.
I have already have blue tapped everything in the living perviosly per that Dolby link as I was looking to pull the trigger on that 2.2k deal (I just didn't know if it would have been worth the cost)
I dont really care if its Atmos or not.. I just want them to sound good as possible.
Thanks for taking the time to read and help. Much appreciated.
I don't mind interjection at all, I love learning new stuff the right way.
I understand what you have stated in your reply. Here is what I need to know for starters.
Would this setup that @stevenash2005 stated (5.2.2) would be a big step up from my current LG 5.1.2 soundbar? (I honestly don't know anyone who has a decent set up to ask and go check it out)
I can forego the font two speakers that are pre wired already. They are to close where the front speakers would go as they are closer to the wall then what's shown on Dolby as reference.
I have already have blue tapped everything in the living perviosly per that Dolby link as I was looking to pull the trigger on that 2.2k deal (I just didn't know if it would have been worth the cost)
I dont really care if its Atmos or not.. I just want them to sound good as possible.
Thanks for taking the time to read and help. Much appreciated.
Well the best I can do is give an educated guess, two big reasons(among many) I don't know what your impressions are of your soundbar and what your consider a "big step up".
1.- it's at least a step up, worth the price for you, I would not have any idea.
To my point prior, adding "Atmos" height speakers and a 2nd sub doesn't really improve the quality of the sound of those "entry level" 5.1 speakers.
What often happens, people then look for an "upgrade" soon after.
They do it incrementally, often because of budget.
This cost you much more money in the long run.
Speakers are unique in that you don't have to upgrade them unless you want to or they break.
Perfect example is object based soundtracks, if you already have a good 5.1 you just add the two pairs for "Atmos".
I suggest get the good ones now, even if you just do it in pieces.
Example: If Klipsch is the brand you like and you were willing to spend $2.2K.
I would suggest RP line 8000f,600m,504c and SVS or Monolith sub(either one is good).
Just buy them when they each go on sale.
I also welcome discussions and I think supermanrob made a lot of great comments.
For consumer electronics, there are always objective and subjective perspectives to them. I will try to provide as much objective information as possible, and then there will be the subjective parts that you can take with a grain of salts.
For a big open living space as yours, power outputs alone will be fairly important if you want to have a good listening experience from various locations. Your LG soundbar has a 46w rating (which I assume is RMS) and the sub coming with it has a 35w rating. The R-610F is 85w each and they are incredibly sensitive which means they can get much louder with ease. The sub R-12W has a 200w rating. Although it only goes down to 29hz which is deemed inadequate by many audiophiles, I am sure it is still much lower than the one included with the soundbar.
Even if we ignore the differences of of speaker qualities (such as the material and sizes of tweeters and woofers), and the dedicated amps used to drive each of them, the placement alone can provide much better sound separations and soundstage, not to mention that you will have a lot of flexibility to tune them with your AVR and the software that comes with it. So yeah, I think you will see significant improvement going from your soundbar to this speaker set.
Now I want to clarify that although I called this set an "entry level" home theatre system, I also won't hesitate to call it a "high end" sound system. By that, I mean it is going to be better than 99% of any systems used to produce home entertainment sound such as music and movies. Its price, although only around $1000, is also going to be higher than 99% of what people paid. (note, 99% here is not scientific by any means and is my own estimation but you get the idea).
Going from to 1000 to 2000 you are probably going from 99% to 99.9%. Whether its worth it or not is going to entirely depend on your own situations (such as preference, finance, etc).
I think Atmos is a big step up for movies and gaming, even if it's on the very low configuration such as an "entry level" 5.1.2. It is not as significant for music probably. If there is no extra cost for you with your two existing ceiling speakers, why not? Use them. Even multi-channel stereos will sound better.
I would recommend even more for dual sub in your situation, as it not only gives more output power (or equal power with less distortion), it also gives you much better eveness in listening positions so you don't have to get an inferior bass just because you were cooking and were not in the "perfect spot".
My few cents.
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I don't mind interjection at all, I love learning new stuff the right way.
I understand what you have stated in your reply. Here is what I need to know for starters.
Would this setup that @stevenash2005 stated (5.2.2) would be a big step up from my current LG 5.1.2 soundbar? (I honestly don't know anyone who has a decent set up to ask and go check it out)
I can forego the font two speakers that are pre wired already. They are to close where the front speakers would go as they are closer to the wall then what's shown on Dolby as reference.
I have already have blue tapped everything in the living perviosly per that Dolby link as I was looking to pull the trigger on that 2.2k deal (I just didn't know if it would have been worth the cost)
I dont really care if its Atmos or not.. I just want them to sound good as possible.
Thanks for taking the time to read and help. Much appreciated.
The floor standing speakers are R-26FA. If you ignore the dolby atmos aspect of them, are they much different than these? The bookshelf speakers are different models too but they don't seem much different.
A friend of mine has this speaker setup, and it sounds absolutely amazing. Thing is, I don't like how much room these things take up- But dammit, they sound so good. What soundbar can sound this good and loud?
A friend of mine has this speaker setup, and it sounds absolutely amazing. Thing is, I don't like how much room these things take up- But dammit, they sound so good. What soundbar can sound this good and loud?
If you weren't being sarcastic there isn't one but thats not what they are designed for.
You go with a soundbar for the aesthetics and convenience or you can't/won't do true speaker setup.
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Price breakdown-Individually the two 610f are $299(Adorama) , bookshelf 41M are $90 (Costco), the sub at $149 (Adorama) & center 52C at $224 (Amazon) Total cost=$764. You save 164 with bundle in this post.
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Yes, sell the ones you don't want on Facebook or eBay.
If you're limited in space just go with good bookshelves and one sub.
This model is at the bottom of Klipsch line unless you have listened to these & are the ones you like/want.
Mid to high end soundbars can decode Atmos and distribute sound to the aforementioned channels with their integrated chipsets and amplifiers. Take the high end Samsung HW-Q950A for example, it includes 11.1.4 channels but all 15 speaker channels are scrambled in three boxes (excluding the sub) and it works by bouncing sound from walls and ceiling to create the soundstage required by Atmos. If you have the space to place speakers at the proper locations, it can provide much better quality, soundstage, total output, flexibility, and sound effects than a soundbar in the same price range. Soundbars are mostly for easy to set up and use and space saving.
Back to this set, it has the 5.1 part already included so you can add the last .2 yourself for Atmos. Since this is a budget set, a pair of Sony SSCSE currently on sale for 113 completes this perfectly, and you can place it either on top of R-610F or on front wall as heights (recommended). I would also recommend to pick up a second R-12SW currently also on sale for $150 to complete a 5.2.2 system. Dual subs provide significant benefits for a very small cost at this price range, especially that the R-610Fs in this package are lacking in the bass department.
For receivers, you would want a 7.2 channel one. The three Costco ones Denon AVR-S760H (449), Onkyo TX-NR6050 (499), Yamaha TSR-700 (439) all provide great value for the price, with the Denon one a little more popular and reliable in general. However, availability may vary so either one should work well. If you don't need the next-gen features such as hdmi 2.1, additional zone and inputs, etc, you can get Denon AVR-S750H-R from Denon's website for $350 and it is more than sufficient.
These make a great entry level HT Atmos system with total cost of ~1000 with 600 this set, 113 SSCSE, 350 for receiver, minus potential cashback from paypal (120+5% on Adorama), amex offer (30 for Amazon, 25 for Adorama) etc, and it will vastly outperform any soundbar you can get in the current market.
The next step up will require either better quality speakers and woofers, and/or more channels in Atmos (e.g. 7.2.4) and the receiver alone will start at 800 USD, and price of speakers will also at least double to see a noticeable improvement. That will bring you to the real audiophile territory where Klipsch gets even more hates.
https://www.lg.com/us/sound-bars/...-sound-bar <-- Our sound bar
https://www.lg.com/us/sound-bars/...-sound-bar <-- Our sound bar
If I may I would like to interject my opinion on this from my experience.
I would suggest skipping doing object based setup(Atmos/DTS:X) especially if that is your budget range, here is why.
As stevenash2005 pointed out this is a "budget set" which it is Klipsch's very entry level line.
He also mentioned it would "make a great entry level HT Atmos system", that's kinda contradictory of terms IMO.
He went on to state "The next step up will require either better quality speakers" which he is correct.
Here is the issue, a common misconception is people read "Atmos" and automatically thinks it's better.
What often gets overlooked also is placement and angles which is important for optimum quality.
What happens is people try to squeeze in "Atmos" which causes sacrificing the whole quality of the system.
In other words if you have a choice of an entry level "Atmos" setup or a good 5.1 setup, you're better off with a good 5.1.
To go to the "next step up" means upgrading the 5.1 setup.
Often a good 5.1 setup can rival if not outperform a "entry level" Atmos setup in quality of sound.
As stevenash2005 pointed out you can always add "Atmos" later if you really want to move up which he is correct.
You also won't need to buy a 4K receiver unless you need some features on it a slightly older model doesn't.
If or when you do I would suggest shooting for a 5.1.4 object based setup, it's the optimal layout for a home setup.
Here is what that layout should look like:
https://www.dolby.com/about/suppo...tup-guide/
Hope this helps and good luck.
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I would suggest skipping doing object based setup(Atmos/DTS:X) especially if that is your budget range, here is why.
As stevenash2005 pointed out this is a "budget set" which it is Klipsch's very entry level line.
He also mentioned it would "make a great entry level HT Atmos system", that's kinda contradictory of terms IMO.
He went on to state "The next step up will require either better quality speakers" which he is correct.
Here is the issue, a common misconception is people read "Atmos" and automatically thinks it's better.
What often gets overlooked also is placement and angles which is important for optimum quality.
What happens is people try to squeeze in "Atmos" which causes sacrificing the whole quality of the system.
In other words if you have a choice of an entry level "Atmos" setup or a good 5.1 setup, you're better off with a good 5.1.
To go to the "next step up" means upgrading the 5.1 setup.
Often a good 5.1 setup can rival if not outperform a "entry level" Atmos setup in quality of sound.
As stevenash2005 pointed out you can always add "Atmos" later if you really want to move up which he is correct.
You also won't need to buy a 4K receiver unless you need some features on it a slightly older model doesn't.
If or when you do I would suggest shooting for a 5.1.4 object based setup, it's the optimal layout for a home setup.
Here is what that layout should look like:
https://www.dolby.com/about/suppo...tup-guide/ [dolby.com]
Hope this helps and good luck.
I understand what you have stated in your reply. Here is what I need to know for starters.
- Would this setup that @stevenash2005 stated (5.2.2) would be a big step up from my current LG 5.1.2 soundbar? (I honestly don't know anyone who has a decent set up to ask and go check it out)
- I can forego the font two speakers that are pre wired already. They are to close where the front speakers would go as they are closer to the wall then what's shown on Dolby as reference.
- I have already have blue tapped everything in the living perviosly per that Dolby link as I was looking to pull the trigger on that 2.2k deal (I just didn't know if it would have been worth the cost)
I dont really care if its Atmos or not.. I just want them to sound good as possible.Thanks for taking the time to read and help. Much appreciated.
I understand what you have stated in your reply. Here is what I need to know for starters.
- Would this setup that @stevenash2005 stated (5.2.2) would be a big step up from my current LG 5.1.2 soundbar? (I honestly don't know anyone who has a decent set up to ask and go check it out)
- I can forego the font two speakers that are pre wired already. They are to close where the front speakers would go as they are closer to the wall then what's shown on Dolby as reference.
- I have already have blue tapped everything in the living perviosly per that Dolby link as I was looking to pull the trigger on that 2.2k deal (I just didn't know if it would have been worth the cost)
I dont really care if its Atmos or not.. I just want them to sound good as possible.Thanks for taking the time to read and help. Much appreciated.
Well the best I can do is give an educated guess, two big reasons(among many) I don't know what your impressions are of your soundbar and what your consider a "big step up".
1.- it's at least a step up, worth the price for you, I would not have any idea.
To my point prior, adding "Atmos" height speakers and a 2nd sub doesn't really improve the quality of the sound of those "entry level" 5.1 speakers.
What often happens, people then look for an "upgrade" soon after.
They do it incrementally, often because of budget.
This cost you much more money in the long run.
Speakers are unique in that you don't have to upgrade them unless you want to or they break.
Perfect example is object based soundtracks, if you already have a good 5.1 you just add the two pairs for "Atmos".
I suggest get the good ones now, even if you just do it in pieces.
Example: If Klipsch is the brand you like and you were willing to spend $2.2K.
I would suggest RP line 8000f,600m,504c and SVS or Monolith sub(either one is good).
Just buy them when they each go on sale.
Hope this makes sense and helps.
For consumer electronics, there are always objective and subjective perspectives to them. I will try to provide as much objective information as possible, and then there will be the subjective parts that you can take with a grain of salts.
For a big open living space as yours, power outputs alone will be fairly important if you want to have a good listening experience from various locations. Your LG soundbar has a 46w rating (which I assume is RMS) and the sub coming with it has a 35w rating. The R-610F is 85w each and they are incredibly sensitive which means they can get much louder with ease. The sub R-12W has a 200w rating. Although it only goes down to 29hz which is deemed inadequate by many audiophiles, I am sure it is still much lower than the one included with the soundbar.
Even if we ignore the differences of of speaker qualities (such as the material and sizes of tweeters and woofers), and the dedicated amps used to drive each of them, the placement alone can provide much better sound separations and soundstage, not to mention that you will have a lot of flexibility to tune them with your AVR and the software that comes with it. So yeah, I think you will see significant improvement going from your soundbar to this speaker set.
Now I want to clarify that although I called this set an "entry level" home theatre system, I also won't hesitate to call it a "high end" sound system. By that, I mean it is going to be better than 99% of any systems used to produce home entertainment sound such as music and movies. Its price, although only around $1000, is also going to be higher than 99% of what people paid. (note, 99% here is not scientific by any means and is my own estimation but you get the idea).
Going from to 1000 to 2000 you are probably going from 99% to 99.9%. Whether its worth it or not is going to entirely depend on your own situations (such as preference, finance, etc).
I think Atmos is a big step up for movies and gaming, even if it's on the very low configuration such as an "entry level" 5.1.2. It is not as significant for music probably. If there is no extra cost for you with your two existing ceiling speakers, why not? Use them. Even multi-channel stereos will sound better.
I would recommend even more for dual sub in your situation, as it not only gives more output power (or equal power with less distortion), it also gives you much better eveness in listening positions so you don't have to get an inferior bass just because you were cooking and were not in the "perfect spot".
My few cents.
I understand what you have stated in your reply. Here is what I need to know for starters.
- Would this setup that @stevenash2005 stated (5.2.2) would be a big step up from my current LG 5.1.2 soundbar? (I honestly don't know anyone who has a decent set up to ask and go check it out)
- I can forego the font two speakers that are pre wired already. They are to close where the front speakers would go as they are closer to the wall then what's shown on Dolby as reference.
- I have already have blue tapped everything in the living perviosly per that Dolby link as I was looking to pull the trigger on that 2.2k deal (I just didn't know if it would have been worth the cost)
I dont really care if its Atmos or not.. I just want them to sound good as possible.Thanks for taking the time to read and help. Much appreciated.
The floor standing speakers are R-26FA. If you ignore the dolby atmos aspect of them, are they much different than these? The bookshelf speakers are different models too but they don't seem much different.
You go with a soundbar for the aesthetics and convenience or you can't/won't do true speaker setup.