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Nov 22, 2021 11:25 PM

Pioneer 12K BTU Ductless Mini Split Inverter Air Conditioner w/ Heat Pump

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Home Depot has Pioneer Low-Ambient 12,000 BTU 1 Ton 19 SEER Ductless Mini Split Wall Mounted Inverter Air Conditioner with Heat Pump on sale for $614.40. Shipping is free.

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Features:
  • Cooling capacity: 12,000 BTU/hour with 19.0 SEER efficiency
  • Heating capacity: 12,500 BTU/H with 9.5 HSPF efficiency
  • Includes:
    • Indoor (Fan coil) Section
    • Outdoor (Condenser) Section
    • Wireless Remote Controller with Remote Holder
    • 16' Line Set with other installation accessories
    • Free Vibration Absorber Feet

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Home Depot has Pioneer Low-Ambient 12,000 BTU 1 Ton 19 SEER Ductless Mini Split Wall Mounted Inverter Air Conditioner with Heat Pump on sale for $614.40. Shipping is free.

Thanks community member n74740 for sharing this deal

Features:
  • Cooling capacity: 12,000 BTU/hour with 19.0 SEER efficiency
  • Heating capacity: 12,500 BTU/H with 9.5 HSPF efficiency
  • Includes:
    • Indoor (Fan coil) Section
    • Outdoor (Condenser) Section
    • Wireless Remote Controller with Remote Holder
    • 16' Line Set with other installation accessories
    • Free Vibration Absorber Feet

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Nov 23, 2021 5:09 PM
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nathanddrewsNov 23, 2021 5:09 PM
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I get the sense that there's at least one unemployed electrician or HVAC dude thumbs down-ing every post regarding DIY.

Wiring up 240/220 is no more complicated than any other wiring - the breaker you install in your box will make connect two buses instead of the one bus for 120/110. As long as you run the appropriate guage wiring from the breaker to the unit, it's darn simple. Maybe $100 total in wire and a breaker, depending on distance from box.

Now if you're box is full or you lack the skills to recognize black, red, and white wires, definitely call a pro.
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Nov 23, 2021 5:09 PM
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gammaimagr
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Nov 23, 2021 5:09 PM
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Quote from Dh3256 View quoted comment :
You mentioned needing a vacuum pump and gauge set, which are needed to charge the refrigerant. So yes, EPA requires a license to service or install any device or appliance that uses refrigerant [epa.gov]
You do not use the vacuum pump to charge refrigerant! You use it to evacuate the lines (which do NOT have refrigerant in them). How are these allowed to be sold? How is there all the information out there targeted toward the DIY person? Where are the EPA police and when are they coming to arrest all of us and put Home Depot and every place else selling these out of business?
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Nov 23, 2021 5:16 PM
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elefante72Nov 23, 2021 5:16 PM
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Quote from nathanddrews View quoted comment :
I get the sense that there's at least one unemployed electrician or HVAC dude thumbs down-ing every post regarding DIY.

Wiring up 240/220 is no more complicated than any other wiring - the breaker you install in your box will make connect two buses instead of the one bus for 120/110. As long as you run the appropriate guage wiring from the breaker to the unit, it's darn simple. Maybe $100 total in wire and a breaker, depending on distance from box.

Now if you're box is full or you lack the skills to recognize black, red, and white wires, definitely call a pro.
The trick it to get it to the local nec code and a permit so if you have a fire the insurance company doesn't walk away. You can always call your town codes department and nice up. They will usually help.
Nov 23, 2021 5:24 PM
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ElectricalsushiNov 23, 2021 5:24 PM
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Quote from Dh3256 View quoted comment :
You mentioned needing a vacuum pump and gauge set, which are needed to charge the refrigerant. So yes, EPA requires a license to service or install any device or appliance that uses refrigerant [epa.gov]
Bleeding the lines of moisture and debris is not "charging the refrigerant"...
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Nov 23, 2021 5:38 PM
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FireStalkerNov 23, 2021 5:38 PM
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Quote from whiterabbit76 View quoted comment :
To put in 240v line is about $800 for about 6ft run.
🤣🤣🤣
If you're being hosed on the cost by about 5x the price. If someone gave you that price it's because they don't want to do the work, or they think you're a sucker. Or if they're drilling through 6 ft of concrete to run the wire.

Service call for electrician to come out is going to be ~$100-150 for the first hour of work plus materials. The wire for a 6' run is let's say $15 on the high side. Figure about $20 for a circuit breaker.
Nov 23, 2021 5:39 PM
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mikerayeNov 23, 2021 5:39 PM
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I bought the 110v mini w/heat pump off the last deal and installed myself.

You can buy the proper guage from pioneer for about $25. It's only one side and vacuum/
charge port. The mini splits use a different port size than regular HVAC or automotive gauges and will require an adapter OR the pioneer gauge.

You can buy R410 off of eBay and have it shipped to your door. I cut off and re-flared all 4 factory flares and screwed one up which caused a slow leak and didn't show during the 15min vacuum test. After re-flaring all ends again, I vacuumed and let it sit for 5 days while on vacation.

I got a 32oz can of R410 from ebay (Pioneer said lines are pre-filled with 30oz from the factory) and it was $75ish.

My cough"technician"cough charged to proper specs on the gauge and it has been running great for months now.

My only complaint so far is that I can't set the heat below 62 degrees f. It's my 3rd car garage/shop and don't need it that warm when I'm not in there.
Nov 23, 2021 5:39 PM
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cbpelikanNov 23, 2021 5:39 PM
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It says 450sf coverage. Wondering if this is overkill for a 250sf room over my garage with sloped ceiling (7.3' peak height). It's moderately insulated from the surrounding attic.

My concern would be it not running enough to lower humidity.

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Nov 23, 2021 5:42 PM
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DrieStoneNov 23, 2021 5:42 PM
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Quote from ManUnited View quoted comment :
Need help here, I have an 800sq ft garage reasonably insulated, which size/unit should I get?
I'm in a similar boat. 850sqft with high ceilings. I bought a 5000W heater which chews through power when it's on. I'm thinking about getting the 18k one and installing it in the spring. I don't mind it being 80-85 degrees in the summer and 50-55 degrees in the winter. This may work well.
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gammaimagr
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Quote from mikeraye View quoted comment :
I bought the 110v mini w/heat pump off the last deal and installed myself.

You can buy the proper guage from pioneer for about $25. It's only one side and vacuum/
charge port. The mini splits use a different port size than regular HVAC or automotive gauges and will require an adapter OR the pioneer gauge.

You can buy R410 off of eBay and have it shipped to your door. I cut off and re-flared all 4 factory flares and screwed one up which caused a slow leak and didn't show during the 15min vacuum test. After re-flaring all ends again, I vacuumed and let it sit for 5 days while on vacation.

I got a 32oz can of R410 from ebay (Pioneer said lines are pre-filled with 30oz from the factory) and it was $75ish.

My cough"technician"cough charged to proper specs on the gauge and it has been running great for months now.

My only complaint so far is that I can't set the heat below 62 degrees f. It's my 3rd car garage/shop and don't need it that warm when I'm not in there.
Good point on the adapter. I forgot about that. I bought a 2-pack of the adapter off Amazon for about $8 I think. https://www.amazon.com/gohantee-A...NrPXRydWU=
Last edited by n74740 November 23, 2021 at 09:45 AM.
Nov 23, 2021 5:44 PM
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RobertM8Nov 23, 2021 5:44 PM
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Quote from Dh3256 View quoted comment :
Also an EPA license is required to legally work with refrigerants. It may be better to install the unit then hire an HVAC person to charge the refrigerant.
Most electricians have an EPA license as well FYI.
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Nov 23, 2021 6:05 PM
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wingman1659Nov 23, 2021 6:05 PM
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Our community has rated this post as helpful. If you agree, why not thank

From last time this was posted. Great insight and info

"I own 3 pioneer's now. Honestly, for the price, it beats the Mr Cool that is always posted.
Never got the chance to posting the deal either, apologies to anyone.
No I'm not an electrician, nor a HVAC expert.
Regular person who just YT's everything and learn as I go. I did this to save money.
The first pioneer I bought in 17' I think, that was a 12k BTU, much lower SEER than my current ones.
Here's a few pointers and info at a glance:

DIAMANTE series was recently released, aesthetically it looks different, there's a small chart that tells you the difference in the temperatures it can run compared to the other models, it MAY be worth it to look into it, also it comes with 16" line set that can't be changed on the website (you can add or use your own line set to make it longer).
Out of all the models, DIAMANTE series is cheaper.

Second and third bought last year and this year. Both are 12k BTU's and rated at SEER 20 (115v), the 230v drops it down to 19 SEER. This is the DIAMANTE series that I have.

Prices went up by $50 or so dollars since I bought it, probably due to the shortage.

Yes they are made for DIY. Refrigerant is in the compressor (outdoor unit).

Pioneer CONSTANTLY updates their product without mentioning, and IMO, for the better.
My second unit was bought only a few months apart from my third unit.
The condensation line is a different and better quality.
Change in the plastic part that protects the lines inside the wall.
Different anti-vibration pads.

Register your product! It'll give you a 5 year warranty as opposed to 1 year if you don't.

IF you live in Miami, or anywhere near South Florida, go to their warehouse, and pick it up. I made the 2 hour (to and back) to their warehouse and picked it up to save on the delivery charges. Why?
Because Pioneer website COST MORE than their sister website? www.Highseer.com
BOTH websites/companies are the same. And the parent company Parker Davis.
Google PD and their website even has tutorials on taking your minisplit apart or installing it if you need to.
Can't control this through Wi-Fi, but I heard and they promote it on their website, on using the Cielo Breeze AC controller (Amazon it). No experience there but it seems you can control with smart apps/phone as well as a regular thermostat controller.
If you live in a hot area, just leave it on COOL and not Auto. It'll still turn off the outside unit and run when it needs to, but Auto feature sucks, IMO.

Also, hire an electrician if you don't know or can't make the connection, not worth your life.

Tools I invested while l learned back in 17' that I still use today:
5lb R410a refrigerant tank from offerup
Gauge set from Highseer (don't buy automobile gauges)
Pipe cutter from Home Depot
Flare tool from Home Depot
Vacuum pump from Harbor Freight
Adapter from 5/16" SAE to 1/4" SAE (This is a need if you don't have one to connect your gauges to vacuum it)
Proper gloves to mitigate any freeze burns from the refrigerant.

TDLR;
Pioneer is an amazing brand.
5 year warranty on most if not all models now, INCLUDING if you DIY, as long as you register within the timeframe.
Buy at Highseer.com and not Pioneerminisplit.com; same company, same warehouse, same parent company, cheaper.
Go for DIAMANTE series if your okay with 16" line set (and able to run within your temps)
Pickup at warehouse if you live in South Florida.
Wi-Fi module is extra. Look into Cielo Breeze AC Controller"
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Nov 23, 2021 6:07 PM
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MaroonRain139Nov 23, 2021 6:07 PM
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Quote from Shawndak07 View quoted comment :
Good find OP. These are extremely efficient and could easily heat or cool 1000sq ft if it's decently insulated.
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Nov 23, 2021 6:15 PM
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JLC88Nov 23, 2021 6:15 PM
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Quote from RobertM8 View quoted comment :
Most electricians have an EPA license as well FYI.
Probably not. For one - there is roughly 2x more electricians than HVAC technicians and if you ask around most HVAC companies have a limited number of electricians that do just the electrical work and nothing else. I know where I work and dealing with an awful lot of electricians and HVAC techs its about 0% of people dual certified because they don't live in towns with a population under 100. You don't get paid anything extra - and you would have half the space for each trades tools and be really inefficient.

Everyone talking about 'charging' the unit is lame. Non industrial mini-splits come pre-charged for X feet of line set. If you can turn an Allen wrench you can release the refrigerant. Are you legally allowed to in the united states? Not without a license.

Should people be doing this if they were legally allowed to release the refrigerant? Some people. If you know you are going to pressure test and vacuum the lines, can cut and flare your connections, your comfortable drilling a large hole in your house and running electrical, you can pull your own permits, yea why not. I did two single zone and a dual zone install and I love mine to death but its not for most people.
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Nov 23, 2021 6:22 PM
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ParkkuenNov 23, 2021 6:22 PM
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Quote from Coffeelover696969 View quoted comment :
how efficient? anyone know the estimated cost difference between running these vs running a central air system? let's say. 2 of these to cool 2k Sq ft vs 1 central air unit to cool the same area+
don't forget although this says it's for 1,000 sq ft, but it will not heat/cool multi room under 1,000 sq ft, due to only one unit hanging on the wall...

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Nov 23, 2021 6:33 PM
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Shock96Nov 23, 2021 6:33 PM
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Quote from TungV9142 View quoted comment :
how to get 208V?
i thought it's 110 or 220v.
220, 221, whatever it takes…

Seriously a 208v circuit is generally in a 3 phase system. 208v is the net voltage from a pair of 120v 3 phase legs.

220/240 is residential. Essentially 2 120v legs combined.

EDIT-Here is a much better explanation: https://www.answers.com/Q/How_doe..._from_220V

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