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Full Specs directly from Lenovo
Note: Some of the specs on Microsoft's site are wrong. This has a 16:10 2560x1600 display, and not the 1440p as stated on the product page. If the RAM was not soldered (not upgradable), this would have been a great deal.
Dimensions (WxDxH)
356 x 251 x 16.9-18.4 mm (14.02 x 9.88 x 0.67-0.72 inches)
Weight
1.9 kg (4.19 lbs)
SOFTWARE
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64, English
Ethernet
None
WLAN + Bluetooth
11ac, 2x2 + BT5.1
Standard Ports
1x USB 3.2 Gen 1 (Always On)
1x USB-C 3.2 Gen 2 (support data transfer, Power Delivery 3.0 and DisplayPort 1.4)
1x Card reader
1x Headphone / microphone combo jack (3.5mm)
1x USB 3.2 Gen 1
1x HDMI 1.4b
Optional Ports (configured)
1x USB-C 2.0 (support data transfer and Power Delivery 3.0, model with integrated graphics)
SECURITY & PRIVACY
Security Chip
Firmware TPM 2.0
Fingerprint Reader
None
Other Security
IR camera for Windows Hello
SERVICE
Base Warranty
1-year, Depot
Included Upgrade
None
CERTIFICATIONS
Green Certifications
ENERGY STAR 8.0
ErP Lot 3
RoHS compliant
Other Certifications
TÜV Rheinland Low Blue Light (Hardware Solution)
TÜV Rheinland Eyesafe Display
These would be fantastic with upgradable ram. 8GB with a mobile Ryzen CPU can be very tight, sometimes they will have up to 2GB of the ram locked away for the integrated graphics. You won't know for sure until you buy it. I've personally experienced this with other models. Luckily being able to upgrade the ram on those made it a non issue.
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Thanks for posting. Really tempting, but on the fence with the 8GB limitation. For most usera that's fine, but I run VMs which consume as much as I'll give them. Lots of other Lenovos on sale at Microsoft, but the 16" Ideapad pro with 5800H and 16GB is still at full price, $1019. Hoping it gets a cyber Monday discount.
Same here. the 16gb is eligible for the student/military discount ($102) which gets it down to 918, but that is really not enough for basically just 8 gb more of ram. And I cannot find any CB sites or CC cb offers right now for Microsoft.com. I spoke with a rep, and they are adding more laptops on Cyber Monday and these black Friday deals/sales will remain till then assuming they do not sale out, so I am probably going to wait and hope ...
Same here. the 16gb is eligible for the student/military discount ($102) which gets it down to 918, but that is really not enough for basically just 8 gb more of ram. And I cannot find any CB sites or CC cb offers right now for Microsoft.com. I spoke with a rep, and they are adding more laptops on Cyber Monday and these black Friday deals/sales will remain till then assuming they do not sale out, so I am probably going to wait and hope ...
I didn't know about the student discount - even that is probably enough for me - ty!
This seems like an amazing price for the display you're getting and overall good bang for your buck. Curious as to why it's not more popular on SD? I have an older machine running 6gb running just fine for basic browsing and work productivity (word, excel, etc.). Just curious as to why 8 is so bad, and 16 seems to be so desired. Am I setting myself up for failure down the road?
This is a great deal in terms of adding the value of all the parts together, but also weirdly unusable and unbuyable. That screen is something you only see on Laptops that cost twice as much.
Because if you're the type of person who will appreciate the top tier screen on this, you're also the type of person who is likely doing more serious work on your system than browsing the web with a few tabs, and you can't get by with just 8GB of memory.
So weird!
The Intel model is $100 more but uses a Geforce MX450. That actually might be the better buy because at least the video card there has it's own memory, so it's kind of like having 10GB instead of the 8GB in this model.
Last edited by Quaro November 27, 2021 at 03:13 AM.
Very good points, super helpful! But I'd argue you cant find this good of a screen in a machine 3 times it's price in this size. The best sub $1k screen is a MacBook Air but that's only 13". The next closet is a galaxy pro with oled but the resolution is only 1080. To get anything close in this screen size with this resolution you'd be looking at $1600+. Unless I'm missing something, if you're a light pc user but want a gorgeous screen, this is a no brained, no?
Edit: I see the LG gram is $1200. Still, that's the next cheapest laptop I can find with this screen resolution in a 16"
Last edited by NewYorkDeals November 27, 2021 at 05:35 AM.
Very good points, super helpful! But I'd argue you cant find this good of a screen in a machine 3 times it's price in this size....
I'm trying to understand your overall purpose. Are just defending the deal on principle; or, actually weighing a purchase decision?
As for your original curiosity about 8GB vs. 16GB main memory, the rationale is simple: 16GB will accommodate a change/increase in:
the usage demand you put on the laptop and/or
the compute demand that (future) apps (will) put on the laptop.
Before we even get into the above two change scenarios, available RAM is already diminished for laptops that have integrated graphics (i.e., a portion of main memory is allocated to graphical processing). Further, consumer laptop CPUs as a rule cannot be replaced/upgraded.
Now, considering the two change scenarios I mentioned above:
Change/increase in usage demand means you're doing more of some combination of: multitasking (more concurrent apps), crunching more data, using more compute-intensive data;
Change/increase in (future) apps' compute demand is inevitable, as even the common usage apps become bigger (requiring more storage) and more robust (more functionality and commonly more input/output data, etc.) Even the contemporary way software is updated is increasingly storage intensive, as it embraces sub-optimal coding & resource mgt. in favor of timely incremental releases and "improve-as-you-go" refinement.
The aforementioned reasoning implies an important purchasing practice -- while you can't do much (if anything) about CPU, you can in fact 'insure' your laptop's long-term usefulness by buying more rather than less main memory, or at least the ability to add memory.
EDIT: Given the competitive, accelerating pace at which software providers are innovating of late, the 8GB (vs.12GB) vs. 16GB decision is more important than ever...even for the casual computer user.
Hope this helps.
Last edited by jdixon November 27, 2021 at 07:15 AM.
Very good points, super helpful! But I'd argue you cant find this good of a screen in a machine 3 times it's price in this size. The best sub $1k screen is a MacBook Air but that's only 13". The next closet is a galaxy pro with oled but the resolution is only 1080. To get anything close in this screen size with this resolution you'd be looking at $1600+. Unless I'm missing something, if you're a light pc user but want a gorgeous screen, this is a no brained, no?
Edit: I see the LG gram is $1200. Still, that's the next cheapest laptop I can find with this screen resolution in a 16"
Screen Size: 16-inch 2.5K QHD IPS display (2560 x 1600)
Aspect Ratio: 16:10
Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 5600H 3.3GHz up to 4.25GHz
Memory: 8GB 3200MHz DDR4
Hard drive size: 512GB NVMe SSD
Operating System: Windows 11 Home 64 Bit
PC Type: Laptop (non-gaming)
Media Drive: Dolby Atmos
Video (Graphics): AMD Radeon RX Vega6
Ports:
• 1 USB 2.0 Type C (support data transfer and Power Delivery 3.0)
• 2 USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type A
• 1 HDMI
• 1Mic/Headphone combo
Battery: 75WH 4 cell Lithium Polymer (up to 10 Hours battery life)*
Camera: IR 1M
Wireless: 2x2 802.11AX
Bluetooth: Bluetooth 5
Dimensions: 0.67 x 9.88 x 14.02 in (17.02 x 250.95 x 356.11 mm)
Weight: 4.40 lbs (2.00 kg)
Color: Storm Gray
Model Number: 82L500F5US
Backlit Keyboard: Yes
why does any company make it soldered RAM ? they could just leave it open and let folks switch it out....same with bios and other components...should just make them accessible
why does any company make it soldered RAM ? they could just leave it open and let folks switch it out....same with bios and other components...should just make them accessible
Planned obsolescence is the only answer. Manufactures would probably say "to make it slimmer" or and even if it's true I'd much rather have removable ram
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Note: Some of the specs on Microsoft's site are wrong. This has a 16:10 2560x1600 display, and not the 1440p as stated on the product page. If the RAM was not soldered (not upgradable), this would have been a great deal.
Processor
AMD Ryzen 5 5600H (6C / 12T, 3.3 / 4.2GHz, 3MB L2 / 16MB L3)
Graphics
Integrated AMD Radeon Graphics
Chipset
AMD SoC Platform
Memory
8GB Soldered DDR4-3200
Memory Slots
Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel
Max Memory
8GB soldered memory, not upgradable
Storage
512GB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe 3.0x4 NVMe
Storage Support
One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD
Card Reader
4-in-1 Card Reader
Optical
None
Audio Chip
High Definition (HD) Audio, Realtek ALC3287 codec
Speakers
Stereo speakers, 2W x2, optimized with Dolby Atmos
Camera
IR & 720p + ToF Sensor
Microphone
2x, Array
Battery
Integrated 75Wh
Max Battery Life
MobileMark 2018: 13 hr (integrated graphics model)
Power Adapter
95W USB-C (3-pin)
Display
16" WQXGA (2560x1600) IPS 350nits Anti-glare, 60Hz, 100% sRGB
Touchscreen
None
Keyboard
Backlit, English (US)
Case Color
Storm Grey
Surface Treatment
Aluminium Anodizing Stamping
Case Material
Aluminium (Top), Aluminium (Bottom)
Dimensions (WxDxH)
356 x 251 x 16.9-18.4 mm (14.02 x 9.88 x 0.67-0.72 inches)
Weight
1.9 kg (4.19 lbs)
SOFTWARE
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64, English
Ethernet
None
WLAN + Bluetooth
11ac, 2x2 + BT5.1
Standard Ports
1x USB 3.2 Gen 1 (Always On)
1x USB-C 3.2 Gen 2 (support data transfer, Power Delivery 3.0 and DisplayPort 1.4)
1x Card reader
1x Headphone / microphone combo jack (3.5mm)
1x USB 3.2 Gen 1
1x HDMI 1.4b
Optional Ports (configured)
1x USB-C 2.0 (support data transfer and Power Delivery 3.0, model with integrated graphics)
SECURITY & PRIVACY
Security Chip
Firmware TPM 2.0
Fingerprint Reader
None
Other Security
IR camera for Windows Hello
SERVICE
Base Warranty
1-year, Depot
Included Upgrade
None
CERTIFICATIONS
Green Certifications
ENERGY STAR 8.0
ErP Lot 3
RoHS compliant
Other Certifications
TÜV Rheinland Low Blue Light (Hardware Solution)
TÜV Rheinland Eyesafe Display
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Because if you're the type of person who will appreciate the top tier screen on this, you're also the type of person who is likely doing more serious work on your system than browsing the web with a few tabs, and you can't get by with just 8GB of memory.
So weird!
The Intel model is $100 more but uses a Geforce MX450. That actually might be the better buy because at least the video card there has it's own memory, so it's kind of like having 10GB instead of the 8GB in this model.
Edit: I see the LG gram is $1200. Still, that's the next cheapest laptop I can find with this screen resolution in a 16"
As for your original curiosity about 8GB vs. 16GB main memory, the rationale is simple: 16GB will accommodate a change/increase in:
Before we even get into the above two change scenarios, available RAM is already diminished for laptops that have integrated graphics (i.e., a portion of main memory is allocated to graphical processing). Further, consumer laptop CPUs as a rule cannot be replaced/upgraded.
Now, considering the two change scenarios I mentioned above:
- Change/increase in usage demand means you're doing more of some combination of: multitasking (more concurrent apps), crunching more data, using more compute-intensive data;
- Change/increase in (future) apps' compute demand is inevitable, as even the common usage apps become bigger (requiring more storage) and more robust (more functionality and commonly more input/output data, etc.) Even the contemporary way software is updated is increasingly storage intensive, as it embraces sub-optimal coding & resource mgt. in favor of timely incremental releases and "improve-as-you-go" refinement.
The aforementioned reasoning implies an important purchasing practice -- while you can't do much (if anything) about CPU, you can in fact 'insure' your laptop's long-term usefulness by buying more rather than less main memory, or at least the ability to add memory.EDIT: Given the competitive, accelerating pace at which software providers are innovating of late, the 8GB (vs.12GB) vs. 16GB decision is more important than ever...even for the casual computer user.
Hope this helps.
Edit: I see the LG gram is $1200. Still, that's the next cheapest laptop I can find with this screen resolution in a 16"
Aspect Ratio: 16:10
Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 5600H 3.3GHz up to 4.25GHz
Memory: 8GB 3200MHz DDR4
Hard drive size: 512GB NVMe SSD
Operating System: Windows 11 Home 64 Bit
PC Type: Laptop (non-gaming)
Media Drive: Dolby Atmos
Video (Graphics): AMD Radeon RX Vega6
Ports:
• 1 USB 2.0 Type C (support data transfer and Power Delivery 3.0)
• 2 USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type A
• 1 HDMI
• 1Mic/Headphone combo
Battery: 75WH 4 cell Lithium Polymer (up to 10 Hours battery life)*
Camera: IR 1M
Wireless: 2x2 802.11AX
Bluetooth: Bluetooth 5
Dimensions: 0.67 x 9.88 x 14.02 in (17.02 x 250.95 x 356.11 mm)
Weight: 4.40 lbs (2.00 kg)
Color: Storm Gray
Model Number: 82L500F5US
Backlit Keyboard: Yes
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