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US Treasury Series I Savings Bonds Inflation Rate Earnings (Nov '21 - April '22)

(Limit $10K/Year Per Person)

7.12% Interest

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U.S, Government Treasury is currently offering 7.12% Interest Rate in combined Fixed + Inflation Rate Earnings valid on newly issued Series I Savings Bonds purchased from November 2021 through April 2022. Limit of $10,000 / year in interest earnings per person.

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About this offer:
  • How do I buy a Series I bond?
  • What is a Series I bond? (source)
  • "A savings bond that earns interest based on combining a fixed rate and an inflation rate."
  • You may use Series I bonds to:
    • Save in a low-risk product that helps protect your savings from inflation
    • Supplement your retirement income
    • Give as a gift
    • Pay for education
    • Click here for more information about Series I Bonds
  • What interest does a Series I bond earn? (source)
    • A combination of a fixed rate that stays the same for the life of the bond and an inflation rate that is set twice a year.
    • For bonds issued from November 2021 through April 2022, the combined rate is 7.12%

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Note: This popular deal is still available.

U.S, Government Treasury is currently offering 7.12% Interest Rate in combined Fixed + Inflation Rate Earnings valid on newly issued Series I Savings Bonds purchased from November 2021 through April 2022. Limit of $10,000 / year in interest earnings per person.

Thanks to community member dn90003 for sharing this offer.

About this offer:
  • How do I buy a Series I bond?
  • What is a Series I bond? (source)
  • "A savings bond that earns interest based on combining a fixed rate and an inflation rate."
  • You may use Series I bonds to:
    • Save in a low-risk product that helps protect your savings from inflation
    • Supplement your retirement income
    • Give as a gift
    • Pay for education
    • Click here for more information about Series I Bonds
  • What interest does a Series I bond earn? (source)
    • A combination of a fixed rate that stays the same for the life of the bond and an inflation rate that is set twice a year.
    • For bonds issued from November 2021 through April 2022, the combined rate is 7.12%

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Written by BostonGirl
Refer to the forum thread here for more information and details.

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Written by dn90003

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Looks tempting. But these are only rated for inflation as fixed rate is 0%. Once inflation is back down, your rate will go down with it.
In case you're wondering, here's how the rate is computed:
Composite rate =
No, these are govt bonds. They stay in the treasury. I bonds are based on the rate of inflation. They have a fixed rate plus the current rate of inflation. Inflation goes up, you earn more. It was 3.54%. Rates went up on 11/1. To realize the full benefit you need to buy before the rates change on 5/1 and 11/1. No fees or penalties. Hold for a min.of a year. If you cash out in less than 5 years you forfeit 3 months interest. After 5 years, you don't pay anything. You can only buy $10k/yr and then up to an additional $5k if purchased directly from your tax refund.
I bought $10k in denominations of 2,3, 5 so if I want to cash out I can do it in chunks instead of having to cash out $10k.: Better than any CD or bank rate if you want to stay in cash.
By the way, using your tax refund to purchase bonds won't count toward your $10k yearly limit.

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/in...eature.htm

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The fark would you support the fed for? They pumped trillions of dollars out of thin air during the trump years leading to our 8 %+ inflation. Only idiots put there money into that PRIVATE BUSINESS. It is not a federal entity, its just a bunch of people printing money. China was just declared the new superpower financially, so yeah, US money is going to see even more inflation over the next 2 years unless we start another war.
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Quote from bonkman :
This is roughly true in the broad economic sense, though not exactly true because the rates change only every 6 months whereas inflation technically changes instantaneously.
My post wasn't an attempt at a mathematical calculation, but simply a clarification that this product isn't designed to "make" money in terms of actual buying power, just backstop cash from LOSING buying power as a result of inflation. Know your audience.
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not sure who is more annoying.. a crypto owner or cross fitter.
A self-righteous SlickDealer is worse than both of those.
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Quote from samsungs70 :
Noob question: how do I fund my treasury account?
This is the instructions from SD:

"How do I buy a Series I bond?
Must register or sign-in to your free TreasuryDirect.gov account and link a bank account.
Electronically: Online via TreasuryDirect (including through payroll direct deposit)
Paper: By mail when you file your federal tax return
Click here to view a Guided Tour"

I clicked on the Guided Tour. I have followed all the steps in the Guided Tour. My bank account has been linked to my Treasury account which has a Treasury account number created. I was able to log in to my Treasury account. The next step is how do I fund the money. Is $10k the limit one can fund? Thanks.

I guess to buy Series I Savings Bonds, click on the tab 'BuyDirect' next to 'My account' tab and enter the purchase amount max of $10k?
It's not a 2 step process, where you transfer fund first then later buy i-bond. It's 1 step, where you buy I-bond with linked bank money.

Quote from bclizzle :
Can someone teach me the math of this? Is it compound? Let's say you do $100. Assuming 7% sticks, what would it look like in 10 years? And does it max?
7% going forward is unrealistic. Instead, denote the next 6-month unknown rates as r2, r3 r4, ....

Then your money will grow (before penalty) = 100 * (1 + 7.12%/2) * (1 + r2/2) * (1 + r3/2) * ..., where each ( ) is 6 month period. As you can see, it's compounded every 6 months.
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Quote from AndrewL9096 :
My daughter is nine years old if I were to spend $500 on this is there an estimate of how much this might be worth when she turns 18?
In addition to the other replies, don't forget that this will be tax free, if your daughter uses this for education.
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Quote from seasix :
you need to transfer it to your parents so they can redeem it, YOU can't redeem it later.
But you can wait to transfer it, don't know what your thought process is with such an incomplete question.
I mean i will buy in their name and they will redeem it technically..in case something happens to them.. can i take money out as beneficiary?
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Quote from bonkman :
Here's a compound interest calculator [investor.gov]. This bond is compounded semi-annually. These bonds will accrue interest for 30 years. As you likely know, this particular bond type is variable rate, so you can't tell what the final value will be. However, that calculator lets you put in various rates for hi/low estimates.

Math alert:
The compound interest formula is P(t) = P0*(1 + rate/n)^(nt) where the rate is given for some set time (usually a year) and n is the number of times it's compounded. t is the amount of rate periods. So for this bond, the value after t years (assuming it's constantly 7%) is <initial amount> *(1+.07/2)^(2t). In 30 years, that $100 would grow to about $788. (Again, assuming a constant 7%.) If you kept it in for 15 years, however, it would only be worth $281. Such is the power of time with compounding interest. Essentially, a 7% interest rate means that your money doubles every decade, ignoring inflation.

More math alert:
Because Euler's number "e" is the limit of (1+1/n)^n as n approaches infinity, this formula approaches P(t) = Pe^(rt), a formula you may have learned in HS algebra class. This is basically what you'd make if the interest were calculated every instant of every day. You don't actually make infinite money because the rate gets broken up into so many pieces. And if you want to go into a really deep rabbit hole, this irrational number that's used to easily estimate interest rate payouts (at least, if you have a decent calculator) rears its head in some really bizarre "different" cases -- like how likely it is to go 0-for-n when playing a game that has a fixed probability of you winning. It even shows up all the time (usually as its counterpart "natural log," or ln) in optimization problems.

Very good information. I have been just using the formulas in my spreadsheet for years, but never bothered to think about the lower level math behind it. It has been a very long time since high school!

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The OP states:

"Limit of $10,000 / year in interest earnings per person."

This is poorly worded as it indicates that you can only earn 10K yearly in interest.
If I read the actual deal properly the limit is actually a purchase of $10K/year/SSN.

These are drastically different numbers, so I think the OP should be updated to prevent any confusion.
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Inflation goes up because govt gives out free money. Buy bonds with return rates tied to inflation, and give the govt more money.... to hand out... making inflation go up along with your interest rate. Win win!
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According to the Journal of Accountancy

"IF SERIES EE OR SERIES I BONDS ARE CASHED IN to pay for qualifying higher-education costs, taxpayers can exclude the accumulated interest from their income."

https://www.journalofaccountancy....etter.html
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Quote from kadox :
According to the Journal of Accountancy

"IF SERIES EE OR SERIES I BONDS ARE CASHED IN to pay for qualifying higher-education costs, taxpayers can exclude the accumulated interest from their income."

https://www.journalofaccountancy....etter.html
That's a very old article, from 2004. We could buy these with credit cards back then. Smilie

There are qualifications you need to meet now. From a more recent Klipinger article:

If you cash in I bonds or EE bonds issued after 1989 and use the money for eligible college costs, you may not have to pay taxes on the interest you earned. To qualify for the tax break, the bond owner must use the money to pay qualified education expenses for himself, his spouse or a dependent (tuition and fees qualify; room and board do not). The owner also must have been at least 24 years old when the bond was issued. That means the bonds must generally be owned by a parent, not a child. The child can be a beneficiary of the bonds but cannot be a co-owner.

You must also meet income requirements to qualify. You can qualify for the full interest exclusion if your modified adjusted gross income in 2016 is less than $116,300 if married filing jointly or $77,550 for single filers. You can take a partial exclusion if your income is less than $146,300 for joint filers or $92,550 for single filers. The tax break disappears if your income is higher than that.

EDIT to add link: https://www.kiplinger.com/article...ition.html
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Quote from practicalme :
That's a very old article, from 2004. We could buy these with credit cards back then.
Actually they ended that in late 2003 IIRC. But those were the days! You also could cash out after 6 months of holding, didn't have to wait 12 month as one must today. I was pretty active in the fatwallet finance forum back then, there were a bunch of us that figured out to combine this with a 3% cashback card from Farm Bureau Bank to make a really solid, guaranteed rate of return (mostly from the CC cashback). For the most part we weren't even putting up our own capital; at one point I had nearly $200k in credit card balances at 0% intro promo rates, between my wife and I (there was an elaborate subscheme just for that; alternating trashing our credit rating every other year, and moving balances between us).

Anyway, there was one optimization we figured out back then which apparently hasn't changed: bonds earn interest from the 1st day of the month they are purchased. In other words, you buy on 12/31, you earn interest as if you bought 12/1. It was a very big deal when using credit cards, we even line up the closing dates on our FBB cards to time it so the purchase hit at start of cycle and we'd get nearly two months of float. In other words you would have effectively held the bonds for nearly three months before having to pay. But it's still important now, not just for interest calculation purposes, but also because I think this is the date from which the 12mo/5yr counter starts -- not the actual purchase date? In other words, buy today, you can cash out on 12/1/22 or 12/1/26, not have to wait til 12/18/22 or 12/18/26?

I googled to see if this "earns from the first" rule still applies; it apparently does:
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/in...es%20first.

UPDATE: interesting (no pun intended), they only compute interest semiannually though. It used to be monthly interest accrual, only the rate changed every 6/3 months (forget which). This suggests there could be an interesting play in April here; if inflation looks like it has subsided, buy before May 1 to lock this high rate in until 11/1/22. Indeed, that could turn out to be the optimal play here? All depends on the macroeconomic outlook in April ...
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Quote from puddnhead :
Actually they ended that in late 2003 IIRC. But those were the days! You also could cash out after 6 months of holding, didn't have to wait 12 month as one must today. I was pretty active in the fatwallet finance forum back then, there were a bunch of us that figured out to combine this with a 3% cashback card from Farm Bureau Bank to make a really solid, guaranteed rate of return (mostly from the CC cashback). For the most part we weren't even putting up our own capital; at one point I had nearly $200k in credit card balances at 0% intro promo rates, between my wife and I (there was an elaborate subscheme just for that; alternating trashing our credit rating every other year, and moving balances between us).

Anyway, there was one optimization we figured out back then which apparently hasn't changed: bonds earn interest from the 1st day of the month they are purchased. In other words, you buy on 12/31, you earn interest as if you bought 12/1. It was a very big deal when using credit cards, we even line up the closing dates on our FBB cards to time it so the purchase hit at start of cycle and we'd get nearly two months of float. In other words you would have effectively held the bonds for nearly three months before having to pay. But it's still important now, not just for interest calculation purposes, but also because I think this is the date from which the 12mo/5yr counter starts -- not the actual purchase date? In other words, buy today, you can cash out on 12/1/22 or 12/1/26, not have to wait til 12/18/22 or 12/18/26?

I googled to see if this "earns from the first" rule still applies; it apparently does:
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/in...es%20first.

UPDATE: interesting (no pun intended), they only compute interest semiannually though. It used to be monthly ...
You're right, the ability ended on 1/1/04. I have a bunch of bonds from way back then myself.

The buy later in the month has never changed but due to the ACH component, you should buy a day or two prior to the end of the month to allow the transaction to be completed for that month.
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Quote from practicalme :
You're right, the ability ended on 1/1/04. I have a bunch of bonds from way back then myself.

The buy later in the month has never changed but due to the ACH component, you should buy a day or two prior to the end of the month to allow the transaction to be completed for that month.
Point taken (still not sure if I will jump on this though). I still have I bonds from 1/2003 myself, still as paper bonds (never converted to TreasuryDirect). I have a saved calculator list file on my computer from 2004 as well, but I can't get it to load to their calculator site anymore. I pasted one bond # in at random, was a little disappointed it only is getting 5.17% right now. But perhaps it does not reprice until next month? There was also still a fixed component in the return back then (IIRC, 1%), so hopefully started Jan 1 it will be earning 8.12% through 7/1/22?
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Can resident alien, or non-citizen buy this bond

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