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Model: LG Electronics 14x SATA Blu-ray Internal Rewriter without Software, Black (WH14NS40)
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Keep in mind that if you have a 12th gen Intel, you won't be able to use this to play standard or 4K Blu-ray movies on your PC because Intel removed some required HDCP security thing from their newest chips (citing that the HDCP handshake protocol is a security vulnerability).
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Any software you want. I think Windows can write a disk natively but I wouldn't go that route. You can buy writing software, like Nero. Or you can download a free program like ImgBurn. To read the disks you don't need any software.
It's funny that everyone downloading the movies using torrents and usenet claim that these drives are absurd and didn't know that the content they download were actually ripped using one of these.
True, but lot of stuff now comes from streaming services too.
True, but lot of stuff now comes from streaming services too.
Streaming services isn't an argument against bluray discs. If you can guarantee that the content I want is always available as long as I pay $15 a month, that would be a strong argument against ripping discs. But content on streaming services comes and goes. They move, and you have to pay for two services instead of one. They disappear because their contracts expire, and so forth. If this doesn't bother you, then you really have nothing valuable to watch because any content is acceptable to you so if one content disappear, you just watch something else.
In reading the specs i'm not sure it will read 4k. Have you researched this?
Out of the box, depending on the firmware, this drive may not support reading commercial / aka movie 4K discs. But if you apply a 4K friendly firmware, then it will allow these optical drives to read 4K discs for ripping only (they will still not allow to play 4K movies). Read here[makemkv.com] for more details
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Why would you want a blu-ray burner?
1. You want to back up your current collection.
2. You live in a area or are going to an area that has spotty internet or no internet (country houses, second homes, RV's) and you want to be able to burn movies onto a blu-ray.
3. Use as a backup device (but thumb drives are so cheap)
4. Use to make music Cd's for your car
I am sure there are more reasons why.
So how does it work.
1. If you own blu-ray that you want to backup to your hard drive you need to eliminate the protection against this. This reminds me of when I purchased one of the last unprotected CD burners many many years ago...
2. You will need to need to be flashed to unlock UHD Reading/Ripping with THIRD party firmware. This is like flashing your wireless router with third party firmware, eg. dd-wrt.
3. You will need ripping software.
Now you are in business.
Personally, this is a lot of work... it may just be easier to use a VPN and download the movie in 4k quality.
This is very much a stretch. If by "legacy" you mean intel i7 and newer i5s along with a GPU with enough VRAM to have some sort of realistic cache. Oh wait, those GPUs sell for hundreds more than their original MSRP even years later (see RX 480). I guess if legacy you mean Original Ryzen sure. Try running this on an athalon or (god help you) bulldozer/piledriver. It may work, but it will be a terrible experience.
Notice 4k can play successfully using Intel Quicksync all the way back to the i3-4000 series.
4th gen, 5th gen, 6th gen.....this year we're on 12th gen Intel cpus.
How many years back?
At least 8 years...
Now that's simply to play 4k into a virtual 4k desktop in windows regardless of the actual monitor limitations (2k or less). You can enable 4k monitor output with an old gpu card with 4k output support.
As for old cpus that have built-in 4k decoding and monitor support, even a slow Atom cpu from 2015 supports that.
Bizarre. I have never heard of anyone to backup any bluray in their collection. Ripping and backing up data are the most common reasons for having one.
In reading the specs i'm not sure it will read 4k. Have you researched this?
These burners were never intended for commercial, pressed 4k Blu-ray movies, and that's why the specs don't mention them.
1. The old school Blu-ray burners could only read pressed Blu-ray movies, up to 50GB and two layers. They could only write up to BD-R DL, 50GB.
2. Then newer Blu-ray burners (these) came along. At the time, commercial pressed discs were still only old school Blu-ray. But writeable discs could go up to three layers, BDXL, 100GB. Since it could write BDXL, it needed to be able to read the BDXL that it wrote.
3. Commercial pressed 4K Blu-ray movies were rolled out, on three layer, 100GB pressed discs. An unintended consequence was now drives that could read BDXL could also read 4K Blu-ray movies!
4. As an anti-piracy measure, the newer firmware was designed to recognize the difference between a BDXL disc that was inserted and a 4K Blu-ray that was inserted, and make the drive refuse to read a 4K Blu-ray Disc.
I would have to second this recommendation. My blu-ray burner, a Pioneer BDR-205 bought in 2010, is still working flawlessly AFAICT. Any CD or DVD ripping or burning gets delegated down to my Pioneer DVR-115L, bought in 2008 and also sill working flawlessly AFAICT. Verbatim for BD-R DL, BD-R SL, DVD+R DL, and DVD+/-R. JVC for CD-R.
My current desktop computer doesn't have a 5.25" slot, so I run both of those drives from external cases, and I only have one external case with SATA for an internal interface. So while an upgrade to 4K would be nice, either buying another external case or kicking the blu-ray burner with a proven record for durability out of position and replacing it with a 4K friendly blu-ray burner with questionable durability, and then hoping that I don't screw something up and brick the drive when I void the warranty downgrading the firmware, and then hoping that the drive itself that no longer has a warranty and has questionable QC actually holds up for a substantial length of time, is a pretty tall order.
EDIT: No one asked but I'll take these drawbacks even one step further. You can make a 1:1 backup of an audio CD onto a CD-R and get it to play in a standalone CD player. You can make a 1:1 backup of a DVD movie onto a DVD+R DL (the maximum size that you would need) and get it to play in a standalone DVD player. You can make a 1:1 backup of a Blu-ray movie onto a BD-R DL (the maximum size that you would need) and get it to play in a standalone Blu-ray player. But you can't make a 1:1 backup of a 4K movie and expect it to play in a standalone player. They make 100GB BDXL media that would be big enough to fit the largest possible 1:1 copy of a 4K movie but if you look at the owners manuals of every single standalone 4K Blu-ray player, they all mention BD-R DL (50GB) being supported but are either silent about BDXL or explicitly state it is not supported. I suspect this is because the Blu-ray Association has not published any standards for authoring 4K content onto BDXL media. Several standalone 4K Blu-ray players have been tested and only one will consistently play BDXL, by accident: the Panasonic UB900. It's hard to find, around $1K if you do find it, and it doesn't do Dolby Vision. So if you want to backup a 4K Blu-ray movie that will play in a standalone player, you can't just do what in effect is a very very large copy+paste and make a 1:1 copy. You have to shrink the original disc down to BD-50 size whether it's by transcoding the whole disc at a lower bitrate, keeping only the main movie, or stripping out unneeded audio tracks and subtitles. I know most people rip the image/disc to a HD/server and play it from there but as you can see I'm very old school lol
3. https://panasonic.jp/diga/
Interestingly, in Japan, still a strong demand for bluray recorders for the hdtv, so they have 4k uhd compatible recorder/players that'll handle 4 layer 128gb bluray discs for recording 4k hdtv broadcasts to disc. (They're also the only country with 24/7 8k broadcasts, 8k tv sales, and the infrastructure for all that programming. https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/...-in-japan/)
4. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13...r-xl-media
Yes, they still sell 4-layer bd-r discs and prices have jumped on 4-layer blanks from $13~ in 2018 to $65 each today >.<
The case where the rips burned to blanks are now not cost effective vs the good ol dvd ripping days. But with nas drives and cheap media players aplenty, rip to files is what all these bluray drives are often used for nowadays.
I do wish they did make cheap bdxl discs for archiving copies of home videos though. Gets tiring migrating files from hard drive to hard drive, even flash drive to flash drive, ever 5-7 years to avoid disc failure, electron migration failure etc, or splitting long movies across multiple 25gb bd-rs.
Good ol DVD-Rs from 2 decades ago still play fine, and Panasonic + Sony has shown bluray ought to last half a century in cold storage.
5. And I'm sure 8k blurays etc will exist given the ridiculous bitrates demanded (even at crap-rate streaming service bitrates, 8k = 4 4k streams...).
But America has always lagged the world since before the analog to hdtv switchover decades ago, and continues to lag years behind the best.
(Still in the beginning phases of 4k atsc 3.0 rollout?! When Japan is doing 8k?!)
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Who is still burning disc and not steaming.Please be apart this decade.
Lol. No home internet here. No home cable. No home satellite. Never had, never will.
Phone for the YouTube, ots hdtv broadcasts, or discs on the lg player here. (And with local libraries renting blurays free, and selling used discs $1-2, far far cheaper to fill my evenings with movie after movie than any streaming subscription.)
Besides, anything worth watching eventually gets shown on broadcast TV someday, so really no need to pay for streaming. Imo.
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and was able to rip a UHD title with MakeMKV.
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The main reason for users of this drive is to update to 4K-rip friendly firmware. Then rip their 4K UHD discs to play using Plex Server or Kodi.
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Why would you want a blu-ray burner?
1. You want to back up your current collection.
2. You live in a area or are going to an area that has spotty internet or no internet (country houses, second homes, RV's) and you want to be able to burn movies onto a blu-ray.
3. Use as a backup device (but thumb drives are so cheap)
4. Use to make music Cd's for your car
I am sure there are more reasons why.
So how does it work.
1. If you own blu-ray that you want to backup to your hard drive you need to eliminate the protection against this. This reminds me of when I purchased one of the last unprotected CD burners many many years ago...
2. You will need to need to be flashed to unlock UHD Reading/Ripping with THIRD party firmware. This is like flashing your wireless router with third party firmware, eg. dd-wrt.
3. You will need ripping software.
Now you are in business.
Personally, this is a lot of work... it may just be easier to use a VPN and download the movie in 4k quality.
Notice 4k can play successfully using Intel Quicksync all the way back to the i3-4000 series.
4th gen, 5th gen, 6th gen.....this year we're on 12th gen Intel cpus.
How many years back?
At least 8 years...
Now that's simply to play 4k into a virtual 4k desktop in windows regardless of the actual monitor limitations (2k or less). You can enable 4k monitor output with an old gpu card with 4k output support.
As for old cpus that have built-in 4k decoding and monitor support, even a slow Atom cpu from 2015 supports that.
https://liliputing.com/2015/04/wh...an-do.html
That's 7 years old.
https://en.m.wikipedia.
https://www.intel.com/content/www...neral.htm
Quicksync makes Intel the God of cheap CPUs because it enables heavy video encoding/decoding even on the slowest, cheapest Intel cpus.
Vista has udf support, so can read discs. Might have issues reading videos and writing discs, but ought to work.
Xp. Need udf drivers to read.
http://wp.xin.at/archives/829?fdx_switche
1. The old school Blu-ray burners could only read pressed Blu-ray movies, up to 50GB and two layers. They could only write up to BD-R DL, 50GB.
2. Then newer Blu-ray burners (these) came along. At the time, commercial pressed discs were still only old school Blu-ray. But writeable discs could go up to three layers, BDXL, 100GB. Since it could write BDXL, it needed to be able to read the BDXL that it wrote.
3. Commercial pressed 4K Blu-ray movies were rolled out, on three layer, 100GB pressed discs. An unintended consequence was now drives that could read BDXL could also read 4K Blu-ray movies!
4. As an anti-piracy measure, the newer firmware was designed to recognize the difference between a BDXL disc that was inserted and a 4K Blu-ray that was inserted, and make the drive refuse to read a 4K Blu-ray Disc.
My current desktop computer doesn't have a 5.25" slot, so I run both of those drives from external cases, and I only have one external case with SATA for an internal interface. So while an upgrade to 4K would be nice, either buying another external case or kicking the blu-ray burner with a proven record for durability out of position and replacing it with a 4K friendly blu-ray burner with questionable durability, and then hoping that I don't screw something up and brick the drive when I void the warranty downgrading the firmware, and then hoping that the drive itself that no longer has a warranty and has questionable QC actually holds up for a substantial length of time, is a pretty tall order.
EDIT: No one asked but I'll take these drawbacks even one step further. You can make a 1:1 backup of an audio CD onto a CD-R and get it to play in a standalone CD player. You can make a 1:1 backup of a DVD movie onto a DVD+R DL (the maximum size that you would need) and get it to play in a standalone DVD player. You can make a 1:1 backup of a Blu-ray movie onto a BD-R DL (the maximum size that you would need) and get it to play in a standalone Blu-ray player. But you can't make a 1:1 backup of a 4K movie and expect it to play in a standalone player. They make 100GB BDXL media that would be big enough to fit the largest possible 1:1 copy of a 4K movie but if you look at the owners manuals of every single standalone 4K Blu-ray player, they all mention BD-R DL (50GB) being supported but are either silent about BDXL or explicitly state it is not supported. I suspect this is because the Blu-ray Association has not published any standards for authoring 4K content onto BDXL media. Several standalone 4K Blu-ray players have been tested and only one will consistently play BDXL, by accident: the Panasonic UB900. It's hard to find, around $1K if you do find it, and it doesn't do Dolby Vision. So if you want to backup a 4K Blu-ray movie that will play in a standalone player, you can't just do what in effect is a very very large copy+paste and make a 1:1 copy. You have to shrink the original disc down to BD-50 size whether it's by transcoding the whole disc at a lower bitrate, keeping only the main movie, or stripping out unneeded audio tracks and subtitles. I know most people rip the image/disc to a HD/server and play it from there but as you can see I'm very old school lol
It is possible to master commercial grade disc images, then simply burn to bdxl.
$$$$
2. https://www.dvdfab.cn/uhd-creator.htm
That's about as close as regular consumers will get.
3. https://panasonic.jp/diga/
Interestingly, in Japan, still a strong demand for bluray recorders for the hdtv, so they have 4k uhd compatible recorder/players that'll handle 4 layer 128gb bluray discs for recording 4k hdtv broadcasts to disc. (They're also the only country with 24/7 8k broadcasts, 8k tv sales, and the infrastructure for all that programming.
https://www.newsshooter
They also have 4k uhd bdxl recordable disc compatible players.
https://panasonic.jp/bdplayer/
4. https://www.anandtech.c
Yes, they still sell 4-layer bd-r discs and prices have jumped on 4-layer blanks from $13~ in 2018 to $65 each today >.<
The case where the rips burned to blanks are now not cost effective vs the good ol dvd ripping days. But with nas drives and cheap media players aplenty, rip to files is what all these bluray drives are often used for nowadays.
I do wish they did make cheap bdxl discs for archiving copies of home videos though. Gets tiring migrating files from hard drive to hard drive, even flash drive to flash drive, ever 5-7 years to avoid disc failure, electron migration failure etc, or splitting long movies across multiple 25gb bd-rs.
Good ol DVD-Rs from 2 decades ago still play fine, and Panasonic + Sony has shown bluray ought to last half a century in cold storage.
https://panasonic.net/cns/blu-ray...media.htm
https://pro.sony/ue_US/technology...sc-archive
5. And I'm sure 8k blurays etc will exist given the ridiculous bitrates demanded (even at crap-rate streaming service bitrates, 8k = 4 4k streams...).
But America has always lagged the world since before the analog to hdtv switchover decades ago, and continues to lag years behind the best.
(Still in the beginning phases of 4k atsc 3.0 rollout?! When Japan is doing 8k?!)
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Phone for the YouTube, ots hdtv broadcasts, or discs on the lg player here. (And with local libraries renting blurays free, and selling used discs $1-2, far far cheaper to fill my evenings with movie after movie than any streaming subscription.)
Besides, anything worth watching eventually gets shown on broadcast TV someday, so really no need to pay for streaming. Imo.
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