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expiredDerickamiles posted May 4, 2022 8:04 AM

Pioneer 12K BTU Ductless Mini Split Inverter Air Conditioner w/ Heat Pump

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Home Depot has Pioneer 12K BTU Ductless Mini Split Inverter Air Conditioner w/ Heat Pump (WYT012ALFI19RL) for $584.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Community Member Derickamiles for finding this deal.

Product Features:
  • Cooling capacity of 12,000 BTU/hour with 20.0 SEER efficiency
  • Heating capacity of 12,000 BTU/H with 10.0 HSPF efficiency
  • Voltage of 110V - 120V, 60Hz, 1Ph
  • Complete system set including indoor fan coil section, outdoor condenser section, wireless remote controller with remote holder, 16 ft. line set with other installation accessories and free vibration absorber feet for the condensing unit
  • R410A pre-charged outdoor unit, accommodating line lengths up to 25 ft. long

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  • About this deal:
    • This price is $195 lower (25% savings) than the list price of $799.99
    • Price valid 5/4 while supplies last.
  • About this product:
    • Rating of 86% from over 350 Home Depot customer reviews.
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Home Depot has Pioneer 12K BTU Ductless Mini Split Inverter Air Conditioner w/ Heat Pump (WYT012ALFI19RL) for $584.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Community Member Derickamiles for finding this deal.

Product Features:
  • Cooling capacity of 12,000 BTU/hour with 20.0 SEER efficiency
  • Heating capacity of 12,000 BTU/H with 10.0 HSPF efficiency
  • Voltage of 110V - 120V, 60Hz, 1Ph
  • Complete system set including indoor fan coil section, outdoor condenser section, wireless remote controller with remote holder, 16 ft. line set with other installation accessories and free vibration absorber feet for the condensing unit
  • R410A pre-charged outdoor unit, accommodating line lengths up to 25 ft. long

Editor's Notes

Written by powerfuldoppler | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • This price is $195 lower (25% savings) than the list price of $799.99
    • Price valid 5/4 while supplies last.
  • About this product:
    • Rating of 86% from over 350 Home Depot customer reviews.
  • About this store:
    • Details of Home Depot's return policy here.
  • Please read the Forum Thread for more deal discussion.

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May 4, 2022 6:36 PM
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petpMay 4, 2022 6:36 PM
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Are heat pumps like this adequate for the Northeast, where it can get to 20 degrees (or less) in the winter? Will they be straining to keep things warm? i think ive heard theyre not great, but looking for someone with real world experience. for comparison i currently have steam radiators.

thanks
May 4, 2022 6:36 PM
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slugmanMay 4, 2022 6:36 PM
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I have installed 2 of 3 ductless mini splits since December. I had no prior HVAC experience except recharging car AC.

The Pioneer unit (which I haven't installed yet) came with little bits that the LG units I installed lacked and were a PITA to find. The Pioneer manual sucks. LG has an installation manual that is excellent and most of the info is general so download that. Youtube is your friend (AC Service Tech and HVAC School if I remember right).

You get an indoor unit and an outdoor unit, lineset (meaning two "flexible" copper pipes with flare fittings [skinny liquid and fat vapor lines]), the communications cable between the IDU and ODU (14awg 4 conductor-- this was really hard to find locally), and the . The outdoor unit has a sticker on it with useful info like breaker size (min/max) and refrigerant charge (ODU ships with refrigerant in it but only for a certain piping length).

I had an electrician install the breakers and I help him run the wiring. I had to get double 110v breakers to make space for a 220 breaker. The breaker size is printed on the ODU and then of course it has to match the manufacturer of your panel. I needed 10/3 and 12/3 conductor wiring in my area even though my units didn't need the extra wire. You need a service disconnect (these basically come in two sizes at Home Depot, 30a or 60a, and fused or non-fused [check whether you have to buy separate fuses basically]).

Other stuff I bought:
2.5" hole saw to make the holes in the walls
Liquid tight cable housing and fittings where your high voltage wiring exists the house. Comes in two sizes but the larger size wasn't that much more expensive
Nylog Blue which you put on all the flare fittings
I bought a small adjustable wrench to go with my large one because it's easy to over tighten the brass flare fittings. Fit was kinda tight near the ODU too


Things I learned:
HVAC technicians are expensive, so I did all the installation work (except breaker) and called one out to double check my work, nitrogen pressure test and vacuum which requires tools that aren't economical for one installation and it's also got quite a learning curve. I did this with my first unit.

If you can stick to the lineset length that the unit comes pre-charged for, you'll skip the step of having to add or remove refrigerant

the outdoor unit vibrates kinda a lot. I have mine wall mounted on rubber feet outside the garage under an overhang and I can hear it in the garage throbbing. If it wasn't bolted down it would walk away. The bozos who installed my original system just put it on the ground outside free standing and it had constant issues until it filled with snow and ice and died.

don't install the indoor unit over a doorway. There's lots of wood (header) up there. Oops. I have zero carpentry experience so...

Double check your wiring and then check it again. I was three days into the first install and tired and I swapped two wires on the IDU and blew out the control board on the IDU and a fuse in the ODU. I should just have had my wife check all the wiring (it's easy L1 black L2 red 3 white GND green). Control board swap was easy ($120 and a two week wait on SupplyHouse.com) and the fuse was just something from Ace, though finding it in the guts of the ODU was a pain (wiring diagram is printed on the inside of the service covers of all these units).

1/4 copper lines bend REALLY easily. If you kink one of these, you're done and need to buy another. The larger sizes are more forgiving

There's fancy lineset covers to attach linesets to the wall and cover them up but I just used large zip ties screwed to the siding and covered with plastic gutters from Ace.

insulate the condensate line and keep it off the ground. Mine was close to the ground and when weather got cold a little mountain of ice built up toward the condensate line. I cut it shorter to make sure it never plugs up.

These things rock though. I'm totally sold on them and will be installing on our other house and my mom's.
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May 4, 2022 6:38 PM
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slugmanMay 4, 2022 6:38 PM
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Quote from petp :
Are heat pumps like this adequate for the Northeast, where it can get to 20 degrees (or less) in the winter? Will they be straining to keep things warm? i think ive heard theyre not great, but looking for someone with real world experience. for comparison i currently have steam radiators.

thanks
You need to look at the ratings of the outdoor unit. Our old one only worked down to like 35F. New one goes much lower.

LG has models for 3 different temperatures IIRC. LGRED for example
"LGRED is industry-leading heat technology that provides 100-percent-rated heating capacity down to five degrees Fahrenheit with continuous operation down to -13 degrees, offering comfort to users living in even the coldest climates."
May 4, 2022 6:40 PM
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mavalphaMay 4, 2022 6:40 PM
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Quote from petp :
Are heat pumps like this adequate for the Northeast, where it can get to 20 degrees (or less) in the winter? Will they be straining to keep things warm? i think ive heard theyre not great, but looking for someone with real world experience. for comparison i currently have steam radiators.

thanks
We're in the northeast too. This winter got down to either 5 or 8 degrees. Our mini-splits kept the house comfortable down to around 15-20 degrees, but below that our steam system had to pick up the slack. We have mostly Mitsubishi Hyper Heat units, and one of these Pioneers by itself.
May 4, 2022 6:44 PM
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slugmanMay 4, 2022 6:44 PM
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Quote from cousinbrucie :
Really depends on the layout. A 12k unit is pretty big but since there is no circulation between rooms it will be controlled well in the room you put the unit is slowly fall off as you get further from that location.
I installed an 18k unit in our open kitchen/living room just to supplement a smaller central system we were installing after the old heat pump air handler died. Both bedrooms and bathrooms come off this area. With the doors open, just the 18k unit to heat the house OK except when it was really cold (below freezing). I didn't finish the replacement of the central one for months because of this (I'm concerned what happens when it gets hot in summer, so finally got the job done). We used the central system's fan to circulate air when it got out of balance too much.

The indoor units have what's called a "throw" rating which tells you how far it pushes air. Our space is 40 feet long and the throw on our unit is 40 feet.
May 4, 2022 6:44 PM
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slugmanMay 4, 2022 6:44 PM
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Quote from mavalpha :
We went with a multi-zone system last year because of space constraints. I advise a completely separate unit per zone if at all possible. If multiple rooms share one outdoor condenser, you lose the ability to "climate control" them individually, they all have to either heat or cool (same direction) together. It's only really a concern during shoulder season when some rooms are cooler and others are hotter, but it's still a concern.
The 4 and 5 zone system installs are way more complicated and there is no redundancy.
May 4, 2022 6:45 PM
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bobbocMay 4, 2022 6:45 PM
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Anyone know if this would work to supplement a walkout lower level that gets a little chilly in the winter and a little hot in the summer?

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May 4, 2022 6:45 PM
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VirginiaBobMay 4, 2022 6:45 PM
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Quote from slugman :
I have installed 2 of 3 ductless mini splits since December. I had no prior HVAC experience except recharging car AC.

The Pioneer unit (which I haven't installed yet) came with little bits that the LG units I installed lacked and were a PITA to find. The Pioneer manual sucks. LG has an installation manual that is excellent and most of the info is general so download that. Youtube is your friend (AC Service Tech and HVAC School if I remember right).

You get an indoor unit and an outdoor unit, lineset (meaning two "flexible" copper pipes with flare fittings [skinny liquid and fat vapor lines]), the communications cable between the IDU and ODU (14awg 4 conductor-- this was really hard to find locally), and the . The outdoor unit has a sticker on it with useful info like breaker size (min/max) and refrigerant charge (ODU ships with refrigerant in it but only for a certain piping length).

I had an electrician install the breakers and I help him run the wiring. I had to get double 110v breakers to make space for a 220 breaker. The breaker size is printed on the ODU and then of course it has to match the manufacturer of your panel. I needed 10/3 and 12/3 conductor wiring in my area even though my units didn't need the extra wire. You need a service disconnect (these basically come in two sizes at Home Depot, 30a or 60a, and fused or non-fused [check whether you have to buy separate fuses basically]).

Other stuff I bought:
2.5" hole saw to make the holes in the walls
Liquid tight cable housing and fittings where your high voltage wiring exists the house. Comes in two sizes but the larger size wasn't that much more expensive
Nylog Blue which you put on all the flare fittings
I bought a small adjustable wrench to go with my large one because it's easy to over tighten the brass flare fittings. Fit was kinda tight near the ODU too


Things I learned:
HVAC technicians are expensive, so I did all the installation work (except breaker) and called one out to double check my work, nitrogen pressure test and vacuum which requires tools that aren't economical for one installation and it's also got quite a learning curve. I did this with my first unit.

If you can stick to the lineset length that the unit comes pre-charged for, you'll skip the step of having to add or remove refrigerant

the outdoor unit vibrates kinda a lot. I have mine wall mounted on rubber feet outside the garage under an overhang and I can hear it in the garage throbbing. If it wasn't bolted down it would walk away. The bozos who installed my original system just put it on the ground outside free standing and it had constant issues until it filled with snow and ice and died.

don't install the indoor unit over a doorway. There's lots of wood (header) up there. Oops. I have zero carpentry experience so...

Double check your wiring and then check it again. I was three days into the first install and tired and I swapped two wires on the IDU and blew out the control board on the IDU and a fuse in the ODU. I should just have had my wife check all the wiring (it's easy L1 black L2 red 3 white GND green). Control board swap was easy ($120 and a two week wait on SupplyHouse.com) and the fuse was just something from Ace, though finding it in the guts of the ODU was a pain (wiring diagram is printed on the inside of the service covers of all these units).

1/4 copper lines bend REALLY easily. If you kink one of these, you're done and need to buy another. The larger sizes are more forgiving

There's fancy lineset covers to attach linesets to the wall and cover them up but I just used large zip ties screwed to the siding and covered with plastic gutters from Ace.

insulate the condensate line and keep it off the ground. Mine was close to the ground and when weather got cold a little mountain of ice built up toward the condensate line. I cut it shorter to make sure it never plugs up.

These things rock though. I'm totally sold on them and will be installing on our other house and my mom's.
Also, buy some tube benders if you are worried about kinking the lines. Note HF sells one for under $20, but only does the small side lines. The 1/2" one is pricey online, it was $50. Recommend if u are installing more than 1.
Last edited by VirginiaBob May 4, 2022 at 11:46 AM.
May 4, 2022 6:51 PM
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slugmanMay 4, 2022 6:51 PM
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Quote from angryguywalking :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz2RfUke4DQ
"Pump down" is when you get the refrigerant back into the ODU. Had to do it yesterday. After installing our 36k central system, it turned out the schrader valve on the vapor service port leaked. Refrigerant shot out when I disconnected gauge. I quickly capped it (you can get burns from the refrigerant but I had rubber gloves on). You're supposed to hook a gauge up to that port, shut the liquid line off, and then run the system in cool mode until the pressure drops to near zero, shut off the vapor line (thicker one). Ran it for twenty seconds since I couldn't hook up a gauge and it seemed to work. Used core tool to fix the valve.
May 4, 2022 6:54 PM
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slugmanMay 4, 2022 6:54 PM
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Quote from VirginiaBob :
Also, buy some tube benders if you are worried about kinking the lines. Note HF sells one for under $20, but only does the small side lines. The 1/2" one is pricey online, it was $50. Recommend if u are installing more than 1.
The 1/2" is pretty stiff so not that hard to get a good bend with your hands. Didn't know HF had tube benders, thanks!
May 4, 2022 6:59 PM
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slugmanMay 4, 2022 6:59 PM
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Quote from dealzslick :
I think a lot of people are thinking this can be DYI easily. A few things to consider:

1. No matter what unit you buy, you can't just plug in. Unless you're replacing one, you'll have to run wire from your break box to a disconnect outside. Most people will need an electrician
2. I read the q and a section of this product and it does require vacuuming the pipes so essentially you need to buy the speciality tools or hire HVAC. The Mr Cool DYI product is more expensive (I assume) since this isn't required.
If you want to vacuum, you need:
Vaccum pump $100 (HF 2.5cfm works fine, just slower and with 1/4 port instead) + adapters $20
TruBlu Evacuation starter kit ($175)
uBluVac micron gauge ($220)
AccuTools 5/16 core tool ($60)

Not worth it unless you are going to be doing quite a few installs. I'm doing 6 so I ponied up...
May 4, 2022 7:05 PM
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VirginiaBobMay 4, 2022 7:05 PM
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Quote from slugman :
If you want to vacuum, you need:
Vaccum pump $100 (HF 2.5cfm works fine, just slower and with 1/4 port instead) + adapters $20
TruBlu Evacuation starter kit ($175)
uBluVac micron gauge ($220)
AccuTools 5/16 core tool ($60)

Not worth it unless you are going to be doing quite a few installs. I'm doing 6 so I ponied up...
A lot of all-in-one kits including gauges/adapters/pump for $100, googling around. Probably not professional grade, but good for what is needed here. I got one of these, installed 1 in garage, 1 in sunroom, no problems.
Last edited by VirginiaBob May 4, 2022 at 12:07 PM.
May 4, 2022 7:10 PM
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USMCSaxmanMay 4, 2022 7:10 PM
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Anyone have a rough estimate of what it would cost to install this in a bedroom? The bedroom shares an external wall to the outside. And near an existing central A/C unit. Thinking that's a benefit both for install and power. Would appreciate any thoughts on install as this is beyond my capability and would need to source an installer.
May 4, 2022 7:11 PM
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luke99sMay 4, 2022 7:11 PM
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If you installed it yourself, how much does it cost to hire a tech to charge the line?

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May 4, 2022 7:12 PM
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palindromeMay 4, 2022 7:12 PM
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sold out online and in stores. :/
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